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Studio One, depending on how deep in to Midi you are. I've never not been able to do anything in Studio One that I could do in Sonar. That said, I used to read all the time about people comp

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3 hours ago, RobertWS said:

Let's say, theoretically, someone was fed up with the recent changes to Cakewalk because it completely disabled their setup.

What would be the best replacement?

Gee, you're living dangerously :) (I like it ?), especially for someone who has been around the Cakewalk Forums for a long time like yourself. Put your helmet on and prepare for incoming fire ;)

Studio One Pro hands down IMO ?

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Heath Row

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hmmm, I guess getting the set up up and going again and sticking with Cakewalk isn't an option then? give it one more shot, the old college try?

I have no issues with MIDI in Studio One for what I do, but I here mumblings around the traps, perhaps I am just not delving into the depths of MIDI, anyway.

I hear Cubase aint to shabby $$$, REAPER is getting better, but it can be a little how shall I say 'cantankerous' Easy on the wallet but hard on the eyes :)

Other than sticking it out with Cakewalk, best wait for the MIDI guys to turn up, it be out of my wheelhouse.

Best of luck.

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7 hours ago, RobertWS said:

Let's say, theoretically, someone was fed up with the recent changes to Cakewalk because it completely disabled their setup.

What would be the best replacement?

The new Sonar..........theoretically.

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Studio One, depending on how deep in to Midi you are.

I've never not been able to do anything in Studio One that I could do in Sonar.

That said, I used to read all the time about people complaining of the lack of Midi in Studio One compared to Sonar.

And that said, I've skipped the last 2 upgrades to Studio One so that situation may have changed as well.

I actually found Midi and Midi editing a lot better in Studio One than Sonar but I'm a basic user. 

If you are a long time Sonar user, Studio One is the logical choice and is closest to what Sonar is.

Plus Studio One supports 4K monitors. It was great on my 40" TV.

Edited to add: Macros are great in Studio One. Very easy to make your own and there are more than you could ever ask for to download on their Exchange server, which is accessed directly from the main screen when start Studio One.

Editing of Midi and audio in Studio One was significantly better for me. It was more fluid for lack of a better term? Smoother editing. Easier to see, zoom, and maneuver around especially when zoomed in.

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57 minutes ago, pwalpwal said:

ot, but this is actually why it's all going subscription - if you can already do what you need to do, why would you upgrade/buy a new version? tools for jobs - i don't need to upgrade my hammer because i can still hit nails in with the one i've already got

I agree. A lot of things are going subscription-based now. For example, my older truck has the GMC version of Google maps built in. 

All newer GMC's require you to subscribe to OnStar to get access. You can plug your cell in and use Google maps, but if you want to use the built in navigation you have to subscribe to OnStar.

I'm in the Point Of Sales business. You have to subscribe to get the latest software version to keep some systems running. If you ignore the reminder and don't do it, your entire system goes down.

A lot of POS systems now are free to the business IF they use their credit card services and pay them 3.5% per transaction, which gets passed along to the customer of course.

But IRT software subscriptions, I like the option, but also want to be able to buy it outright if I choose to. Studio One offers both options for now, but the second that changes I will no longer use their software.

I tried their all inclusive option one time. I forget what it's called, but you get access to all their VSTs and samples. I ended up using exactly 0% of it. I already had everything I use, a lot of it I got for free, and most of it was unusable unless you are a BIAB type user. Edit: You also get the latest full version of Studio One Producer that subscription, which is huge.

I'm not knocking BIAB, I really like it. They got a bug fixed that crippled the way I tried to use it and fortunatley Sweets let me return it. I will jump back in again when the dust settles here and I get a studio set up again.

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I was quite surprised at how much Studio One 6 resembles Cakewalk/SONAR. The last time attempted to use S1 seriously was back in version 2. I used it a lot for mastering projects - very nice project view.

Without a doubt, if Cakewalk/Sonar is not an option for you, I would recommend a serious look at Studio One 6 (Professional).

IMPORTANT CAVEAT:
Look, if you're having issues with getting Cakewalk to work smoothly, you are going to have the same problems with Studio One. Almost guaranteed.

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Cubase depending on what you're looking for. As far as I kow Studio One has no sysex capability so if it's hardware synths and the like Cubase is for you, you can even create Studio Panels for your hardware to control it in Cubase. If you're looking at live performance Live is where it's at. If you're just using a lot of VSTi almost any DAW will get you there :)

 

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FWIW I'm happy with Studio One, but then again I'm not a deep dive MIDI guy. I'll play a simple set of chords on my Axiom if I get the urge or use my extensive ToonTrack/Groove Monkee MIDI patterns for drums to geta basic idea across before the 'live' drummer does his thing on our Citizen Regen songs.

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20 hours ago, RobertWS said:

... because it completely disabled their setup.

Why & how would this even happen, tho?

Not up on the latest versions of other DAWs, but last I checked, nobody does MIDI like TTS/Cakewalk/Sonar/Cakewalk. Especially for outboard gear.  

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7 hours ago, pwalpwal said:

ot, but this is actually why it's all going subscription - if you can already do what you need to do, why would you upgrade/buy a new version? tools for jobs - i don't need to upgrade my hammer because i can still hit nails in with the one i've already got

I have never used Cubase, but it has the reputation for being the best for MIDI. I pretty much use a DAW as a glorified, digital, multi-track recorder, so a lot of "new features" are not going to get used by me personally. One piece of advice I have been giving folks is to pay attention to support for VST3 and ARA/ARA2 (the new kids on the block, and needed to use third-party VST(i)s), and one needed Track Templates for their workflow. I had joked with them and said all they would "need" is SONAR X3, but the real problem is getting your hands on a copy. I still use Adobe Audition 4 (from 2011) as my default wav editor as it is quick, one of the best SRCs, batch processing, and built-in iZotope plugins (from 2011, mind you). Studio One 6 didn't introduce anything special for me, so SO5 would be more than adequate; but again, how to get a copy of an older version.

Younger generations are in a bad place with subscriptions becoming the standard. Unfortunately, folks who were 15 when the last Platinum version was released probably do not have a copy to "fall back on."

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3 hours ago, Bapu said:

Except for Reaper, which is $60 (anytime) for two full release cycles (currently v6 but probably v7 by early next year if not sooner)

Maybe sooner, they just went onto the rc phase (7.0rc1) after 29 or so pre release releases and they're moving fast.

I'm wanting a backup, my REAPER license ran out at the end of v5. Just installed and updated to the final CbB, then uninstalled it so as I could get the full download file of the last CbB, I'll leave it uninstalled, wait to check out the new Sonar then decide betwixt REAPER and Sonar, it's looking REAPER atm, I've seen some screen shots that actually look good. But I'll wait for Sonar to be released and probably grab the bundle they were talking about and check out what Next is about while I'm at it.

REAPER - They've been giving MIDI a bit of love this time around making the MIDI boys salivate.

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