Feature Request: Multi-Track Export by Arranger

[Colin Nicholls]

I use Studio One for album mastering but I'd love to be able to stay in Cakewalk. One feature that seems like a no-brainer now that we have the Arranger lane is multi-track export.

I would love to see the EXPORT module allow me to save a project out as a series of named FLAC files (or even burn to CD!) using the sections defined in the Arrangement:

The goal is to export a stereo mix out to a series of separate files, named after the Section that defined their Start/Duration times.

I would not expect the file names to include the Cakewalk Track name in this use-case.  The actual tracks are not important here (other than hosting the raw audio and for applying specific processing to specific parts of the project).

For example, in this image above, I have recorded a tape cassette that I am restoring for a friend, and I have defined the song/track breaks using the Arranger Track; set up stereo adjustment on each recording run; I have mastering effects in the Master bus (not shown), and at this point I have done everything I need to the audio. I just need to GET IT OUT of the project, as separate files in MP3, FLAC, or WAV, or similar format. Or even straight burn to CD.

(Cakewalk has CD Burning ability but it requires mixed and rendered WAV files on disk and, dammit, everything I need is right here in the project. Including album/artist  information in the Project Info dialogs...)

Being able to set up an alternative track sequence (using Arrangements) and burn a test mix to CD to listen in the car would be cool.

Please consider adding this feature to the development hopper.

Edited September 29, 2020 by Colin Nicholls
Changed screen shot; edited for clarity

[msmcleod]

@Colin Nicholls - just so I understand correctly...

Do you mean:
1. Export a stereo mix down by sections, e.g:    Section1.wav, Section2.wav, Section3.wav etc..

or

2. Export multiple tracks by sections, e.g.:  Section1-Track1.wav, Section1-Track2.wav, Section1-Track3.wav,  Section2-Track1.wav, Section2-Track2.wav etc ?

[Will.]

2 hours ago, Colin Nicholls said:

I use Studio One for album mastering but I'd love to be able to stay in Cakewalk. One feature that seems like a no-brainer now that we have the Arranger lane is multi-track export.

I would love to see the EXPORT module allow me to save a project out as a series of named FLAC files (or even burn to CD!) using the sections defined in the Arrangement:

In this use-case, for example, I have recorded two sides of a tape cassette that I am restoring for a friend, and I have defined the song/track breaks using the Arranger Track; set up stereo adjustment on each recording run; I have mastering effects in the Master bus (not shown), and at this point I have done everything I need to the audio. I just need to GET IT OUT of the project, as separate MP3, FLAC, or WAV, or similar. Or even straight to CD. Cakewalk has CD Burning ability but it requires mixed and rendered WAV files on disk and, dammit, everything I need is right here in the project. Including album/artist  information in the Project Info dialogs...

Being able to set up an alternative track sequence (using the Arranger) and burn a test mix to CD to listen in the car would be JAM.

Please consider adding this feature to the development hopper.

I'm understanding you correctly, do yoy want to export the stems individually as it's in the project?  If so - this can be done in Cakewalk. 

Step 1: 

Step 2: Choose your channel format. Best to choose Follow Source. This will render Mono and Stereo tracks in their individual formats. 

Step 3: Choose your file type. 

Hope this is what you were looking for. forgive me if I'm way off track here, but that's how it works for me. 

Edited September 29, 2020 by Will_Kaydo

[Colin Nicholls]

51 minutes ago, msmcleod said:

@Colin Nicholls - just so I understand correctly...

Do you mean:
1. Export a stereo mix down by sections, e.g:    Section1.wav, Section2.wav, Section3.wav etc..

or

2. Export multiple tracks by sections, e.g.:  Section1-Track1.wav, Section1-Track2.wav, Section1-Track3.wav,  Section2-Track1.wav, Section2-Track2.wav etc ?

Option 1.

I would expect that each exported file would be named after the Section only, and not incorporate the Track name.

In my use-case, the tracks are irrelevant (except for applying specific processing to specific parts of the project.

EDIT: I realize I shot myself in the foot in my screenshot by naming each section "Track 1", "Track 2", etc without realizing the confusion that would lead to with Cakewalk's project tracks.  I'll update my screenshot in the first post.

 

Edited September 29, 2020 by Colin Nicholls

[Colin Nicholls]

40 minutes ago, Lord Tim said:

Have a Mastering Template where there's at least 2 tracks dedicated to importing in whole songs as clips (2 tracks so you can do crossfades/overlaps, etc.), have the Browser open on the Notes tab, and the routing for those 2 tracks going to a Master out.

You'd set up the project Notes tab in the Browser with the Artist, Album Name, Album Artwork, UPC/EAN number, and all of the usual additional stuff like publisher, copyright info, genre, etc.

Then you'd set up Arranger sections for each song, with the ability for additional metadata to be added to each section: Song Title, Artist (sometimes you want to do compilations rather than using the main album artist name), ISRC, composers, genre, copyright, album art (if different to the main Info album art), etc.

Obviously at that point you'd be free to move the sections around as you please, and the CD Track ID of the numbers would update automatically. 

Master as you see fit.

 

Yeah this is pretty much what I was thinking. I was hoping there was a viable limited enhancement that got us 80% of the way there, hence my simplified request. I was wondering if we could avoid overloading Arranger Track sections with additional metadata. This does make sense, though. 

I LOVE Studio One's project page but there is nothing that couldn't be achieved in Cakewalk with a bit of additional work.

[Colin Nicholls]

@Will_Kaydo, no, that's not really what I'm looking for. I understand what you're saying.

[msmcleod]

You can kind of doing what your suggesting already (minus the meta data) by creating arrangements for each individual section.

In other words, drag section 1 into arrangement 1, drag section 2 into arrangement 2 etc.. so each arrangement has only one section in it.

Make sure you rename each arrangements to match each song name.

When you select "Export as Audio" from the arrangement dropdown, you'll have the option of selecting all the arrangements (songs) and it'll export them all as individual audio files.

[Colin Nicholls]

10 minutes ago, msmcleod said:

When you select "Export as Audio" from the arrangement dropdown, you'll have the option of selecting all the arrangements (songs) and it'll export them all as individual audio files.

Okay, I didn't realize this was a thing. Interesting. I'll play with that.

I'll let my enhancement request stand, though, if you would be so kind ?

Thanks Mark

[Colin Nicholls]

On 9/29/2020 at 10:51 AM, msmcleod said:

When you select "Export as Audio" from the arrangement dropdown, you'll have the option of selecting all the arrangements (songs) and it'll export them all as individual audio files.

@msmcleod, I actually used this technique yesterday with reasonably good results. I named the arrangement "the name of the album" and then one-by-one placed each section into the arrangement and chose the "Export as Audio" from the arrangement menu. Choosing MP3 did give me the opportunity to add the metadata for each export but I kinda understand how this is working under the hood.

Thanks for the suggestion. It would be nice to have some sort of "batch mode" for this sequence of steps but I can also see how it gets complicated with the metadata and all the different export formats. Even so, exporting the whole set of sections without any ID3 tag info or whatever would be a time saver.

I'll leave it up to the developers whether any enhancement in this area is feasible. I'd love to see it in a future release.

[Noel Borthwick]

We'll consider allowing section export for a future release depending on how much of a can of worms it ends up being

[Noel Borthwick]

>>System:        Windows 10  1803  

I may consider it just because of this lol.

[Light Grenade]

+1 for this - and generally enhanced render options..

Reaper's export options and wildcard system is excellent and such a huge time saver.