enmamusic Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) Friend, in the picture it is more than evident that cakewalk has the smallest faders graphically. This for users of other Daw is especially annoying since they are used to visualize their fader with more precision because it is larger. Although the precision is the same it is graphically uncomfortable. Most Daw have that going for them and you've seen this review on various cakewalk forums. About the Side Chain I mean the ease of linking plugin from its interface to sidechain mode. In Cakewalk it is more difficult because it is not in sight. Then I send a screenshot for you to watch. Edited August 1, 2020 by enmamusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenLight Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 3 hours ago, enmamusic said: About the Side Chain I mean the ease of linking plugin from its interface to sidechain mode. In Cakewalk it is more difficult because it is not in sight. Then I send a screenshot for you to watch. I agree! I've been wanting this kind of simplified sidechain-selection for a long time. Logic has had a similar GUI option as Sequioa for many, many years. It would be a great workflow enhancer! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Reeves Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 I found a couple of issues in the Piano Roll: - Sticky Selects: Selecting notes doesn't always deselect notes that were previously selected - Runaway Zoom: Zooming in and out seems to move the focus away from the now marker even when the track options are set to focus on the now marker 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Reeves Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) Another bug. Quick-group latch automation results in overwrite automation faders until saving and re-opening the project. Also, the console doesn't refresh when changing automation type. Edited August 2, 2020 by Craig Reeves 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, xiaoqi said: d 'd' d ' d ' f ' f ' f ' g ' j ' g ' h ' k ' h ' j ' l Is this a non-supported language? Edited August 2, 2020 by Terry Kelley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sreams Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 I ran into an issue a couple of times today. I was zoomed in on the timeline to find an audible glitch in a waveform. I then pressed play. Playback started, and of course, the fully zoomed-in timeline is scrolling by very quickly at this point. All expected... but Cakewalk stopped responding to all inputs at this point. I could not stop playback by pressing the spacebar or the stop button on my control surface. I could not change the zoom level. Playback would just continue and eventually Cakewalk would respond to key presses from 15-20 seconds prior. This is on a Ryzen 3900x system. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sreams Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 16 hours ago, enmamusic said: Friend, in the picture it is more than evident that cakewalk has the smallest faders graphically. This for users of other Daw is especially annoying since they are used to visualize their fader with more precision because it is larger. Although the precision is the same it is graphically uncomfortable. Most Daw have that going for them and you've seen this review on various cakewalk forums. About the Side Chain I mean the ease of linking plugin from its interface to sidechain mode. In Cakewalk it is more difficult because it is not in sight. Then I send a screenshot for you to watch. Ah... so you do mean the fader throw length, not the size of the faders themselves. I'd be a fan of allowing for user adjustable fader throw. I just wouldn't change it for myself, and I'd hope that the more screen-space efficient current size would remain as an option. I'm also a fan of adding sidechain routing to the plugin window. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teegarden Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, sreams said: Ah... so you do mean the fader throw length, not the size of the faders themselves. I'd be a fan of allowing for user adjustable fader throw. I just wouldn't change it for myself, and I'd hope that the more screen-space efficient current size would remain as an option. I'm also a fan of adding sidechain routing to the plugin window. Good idea, it could be an option where you can make them taller or shorter, just like you can make them narrow and wide. Maybe another option is that you could (user selectable) have the fader pop out when selected or when hovering over the meter. What I really like is the lay-out of Sonalksis FreeG (a free plugin!) which I started using for mastering/gain staging thanks to one of the excellent tutorials CbB Gain Staging of Creative Sauce. I would love to see a similar functional fader build in into CbB. Edited August 2, 2020 by Teegarden Picture upload doesn't work 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msmcleod Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 11 hours ago, Craig Reeves said: I found a couple of issues in the Piano Roll: - Sticky Selects: Selecting notes doesn't always deselect notes that were previously selected - Runaway Zoom: Zooming in and out seems to move the focus away from the now marker even when the track options are set to focus on the now marker Thanks for pointing these out - I've raised a bug for the select issue, and a change request for the other as the PRV never respected the zoom at now time settings. Both of these should be fixed for the general release. Note that the “Center on Now Time with Keyboard Zoom” setting only applies to keyboard zoom (which the PRV does actually respect) - but it's the Mouse Zoom options that the PRV isn't taking into account: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 7 hours ago, sreams said: I ran into an issue a couple of times today. I was zoomed in on the timeline to find an audible glitch in a waveform. I then pressed play. Playback started, and of course, the fully zoomed-in timeline is scrolling by very quickly at this point. All expected... but Cakewalk stopped responding to all inputs at this point. I could not stop playback by pressing the spacebar or the stop button on my control surface. I could not change the zoom level. Playback would just continue and eventually Cakewalk would respond to key presses from 15-20 seconds prior. This is on a Ryzen 3900x system. @sreamsInteresting. I wonder if it is so busy redrawing that it's not getting a chance to process the stop request. Can you reproduce this or was it a one off issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sreams Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Noel Borthwick said: @sreamsInteresting. I wonder if it is so busy redrawing that it's not getting a chance to process the stop request. Can you reproduce this or was it a one off issue? I've had this occur multiple times. I think it is easily reproduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 4 hours ago, sreams said: I've had this occur multiple times. I think it is easily reproduced. Seems like the frame rate for the wave visualization changes too fast for the CPU to keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reevant Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 On 7/25/2020 at 3:27 AM, Noel Borthwick said: @reevant if you send a dump file I can take a look and see where its hanging. Send me a download link. Thanks Noel, I sent a dump to Cakewalk (Freed) and we fairly quickly got pretty much to the bottom of it. All sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tim Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 10 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said: @sreamsInteresting. I wonder if it is so busy redrawing that it's not getting a chance to process the stop request. Can you reproduce this or was it a one off issue? This seems related to the stuff in this thread, that we were trying to help @Ben Staton lock down: Definitely can reproduce fairly reliably on my crappy workstation but not at all on anything else. It's a tricky one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Hi Greetings Development Cakewalk Team and my fellow Cakewalk users, I hope everyone is safe and healthy. I have been using cakewalk for the last 10 years. I am glad that efforts are made to continuously improve it. While it is appreciated that new features would be added, please also pay attention to cakewalk's instability and hanging issues. I experienced the following so far:- 1. When I want to freeze a single track out of a group of tracks assigned to a synth instrument, it freezes all the tracks assigned to that synth. Allow individual track freeze 2. When opening the ASIO4all driver panel through cakewalk and make some changes , the audio engine stops and re starts but play keeps playing. You can't stop it and have to exit and re start cakewalk I think it is important to address ASIO4all issue in a holistic sense so that you may try your best to test many what-if scenarios and resolve them. These issues have given me enough headaches such as input/outputs not working well or erratic, audio dropouts. Better help file information is required with all suggested corrective actions rather than stating "unknown error with a code" Alternatively , provide your own ASIO driver with good features possible. Some of the other products do. 3. Wave forms are lost at times when a clip in a track lane is bounced or converted Stereo/mono. Clearing picture cache folder did not help. This is actually a disaster for a professional category DAW.I experienced yesterday. I am re-doing all the automation edits from my previous backup. 4. Trying to experiment with plug-ins on a playing track makes cakewalk to crash. This is same as situation with ASIOALL driver ( trying to change its settings while playin progress). Either you disallow such change in playing mode or make cakewalk stable handle this situation. 5. I also strongly suggest test scenarios for cakewalk stability when building/editing audio tracks for a imported video file. For example, the scrubbing of tracks do not give a smooth and well synchronized motion on the video. Therefore, it is very difficult to put marker points correctly. Just to make sure the cause is not limitation of my DELL PC with 3.20 GHz processor, 32 GB RAM , it works quite well with my video editors. 6. Please also consider adding your own mastering stock plug-ins for stereo/ surround up mix and downmix for 5.1/ 7.1, Dolby ATMOS etc. It is very essential for producing audios associated with movies. Because some third party sorround mastering plugins do not work in Cakewalk but no problem with pro tools, Logicpro , Cubase which my friends use. I will also continue to give feedback so that we can get these issues resolved and enjoy using cakewalk by Bandlab with good satisfaction. Thanks Ali 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Reeves Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 This is more of a suggestion... When a clip is selected, Cakewalk should automatically select the track it belongs to. Here's why... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Simon Fletcher Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 9 hours ago, Ali said: "When I want to freeze a single track out of a group of tracks assigned to a synth instrument, it freezes all the tracks assigned to that synth. Allow individual track freeze" Yes - not sure what the epected behaviour is here but I noticed that yesterday. I've got a number of Vienna Pro instances and i'm trying to reduce processing power by freezing - but it was a bit unfortunate and more time consuming that it was bouncing 16 tracks to audio each time. Cakewalk team - anything that can be improved there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Simon Fletcher Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) Yes - not sure what the epected behaviour is here but I noticed that yesterday. I've got a number of Vienna Pro instances and i'm trying to reduce processing power by freezing - but it was a bit unfortunate and more time consuming that it was bouncing 16 tracks to audio each time. Cakewalk team - anything that can be improved there? Edit: Sorry - didn't quote the person above correctly and accidentally double posted Edited August 3, 2020 by Matthew Simon Fletcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoo Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 On 8/1/2020 at 4:08 PM, enmamusic said: Friend, in the picture it is more than evident that cakewalk has the smallest faders graphically. This for users of other Daw is especially annoying since they are used to visualize their fader with more precision because it is larger. Although the precision is the same it is graphically uncomfortable. Most Daw have that going for them and you've seen this review on various cakewalk forums. About the Side Chain I mean the ease of linking plugin from its interface to sidechain mode. In Cakewalk it is more difficult because it is not in sight. Then I send a screenshot for you to watch. This would preclude (without some horrendous Reaper-like GUI :-)) mixing multiple tracks/busses to feed to a sidechain input - the CbB approach is more flexible than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc23 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) Bug Report: Uncheck "Single bounce per track" freeze option is broken Hi On this option, documentation says: "Single Bounce Per Track Check this if you want to create a single clip for all the bounced audio. If you don’t check this, each separate clip on a track creates a separate clip when you freeze the track." However, when unchecking "Single bounce per track" option in the Freeze Options dialog box, freeze function will only bounce first clip and make disappear remaining clips in the track. It has been like this for several past versions of CW, including present 2020.07 Early Access version. Already tried this in two different computers with same behavior on both. To verify: -Open a track with several audio clips in it. -Right click on freeze button to open options dialog box. (Fig 1) -Uncheck "Single bounce per track" option. Hit "Ok". (Fig 2) -Click Freeze button. CW Freezes only the first clips, and remaining clips disappear. (fig 3) -Dotted line indicating presence of clips remains, but they are not visualized and can´t be played. (fig 4) -Press Control-Z to undo, CW unfreezes only first clip, remaining clips still can´t be visualized, even though dotted lines indicate their presence. (Fig 5) -Upon opening take lanes, disappeared clips can be visualized only in main track lane but not on take lane (Fig 6), but still can not be played. (Fig 7) As stated, have tried this in two different computers with exactly the same behavior, even after complete system reformatting/restart. and clean install. It doesn´t matter what audio clips are present. It happens with and without plugins instantiated in the fx box. This has been happening since at least the last three CW updates, including present 2020.07 EA version. Please fix this evident bug, as it has been always working and has ceased to function, and is clearly not intended behavior. Thanks. P.S.: Also, please fix the External Insert plugin, for it to have true mono routing. Thanks. Edited August 3, 2020 by kc23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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