razor7music Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) Hello Group This post is part of a series of issues I have since upgrading my os to W10. I have the beginning of a new project with just about a dozen audio tracks. No fx. Really basic. I also have one instance of Addictive Drums and that midi groove starts on measure 9. Once I hit play, I get dropouts as soon as the drum part starts, but only for the first 2 or 3 times I hit play. After that, it all plays fine. I deleted the AD tracks and inserted a kontakt drum, and the exact same thing happens. It acts like my memory buffer isn't utilized until the 4th or 5th play - if that makes any sense. Recording is fine. Any ideas? Edited May 30, 2020 by razor7music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Did you bump your midi buffers up? I set mine to 1,000. The defaulty is too low at 200. Preferences/ MIDI/ playback and recording 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Arwood Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) I have been having many of the same issues that you are having since win 10. They just rewrote the #3 thread stuff I was struggling just to here a few measures without skips. So... i tried #3 a few times and it was worst than #2. Just for the heck of it I tried again tonight. I can’t tell you how glad I am that i did. No more pops and clicks, everything is running great. You should try it. Max Arwood Try the new beta and thread scheduling #3. Hope it works for you too! Edited May 23, 2020 by Max Arwood can't spell can't type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razor7music Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 16 hours ago, John Vere said: Did you bump your midi buffers up? I set mine to 1,000. The defaulty is too low at 200. Preferences/ MIDI/ playback and recording I have not. I'll try it. I'm surprised at how many settings changed or need to be changed after the upgrade. Many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razor7music Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 12 hours ago, Max Arwood said: I have been having many of the same issues that you are having since win 10. They just rewrote the #3 thread stuff I was struggling just to here a few measures without skips. So... i tried #3 a few times and it was worst than #2. Just for the heck of it I tried again tonight. I can’t tell you how glad I am that i did. No more pops and clicks, everything is running great. You should try it. Max Arwood Try the new beta and thread scheduling #3. Hope it works for you too! Hey Max I'm not sure I understand what your suggesting. The early access program? Would like to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razor7music Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 6 hours ago, razor7music said: I have not. I'll try it. I'm surprised at how many settings changed or need to be changed after the upgrade. Many thanks! Thanks @John Vere That was it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 It's real dumb how that is probably a default setting that was from like 2008 and they never fixed it. It should stay once you set it even if the OS updates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razor7music Posted May 24, 2020 Author Share Posted May 24, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, John Vere said: It's real dumb how that is probably a default setting that was from like 2008 and they never fixed it. It should stay once you set it even if the OS updates. It fixed this playback issue on this project, but I still get dropouts on a previous project that I completed just prior to the OS upgrade. There is no toast message with a code for what's causing the dropouts. Hopefully, I won't have to remix the previous project and it stays fixed for future projects. Anyway, thanks again. Edited May 24, 2020 by razor7music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 On 5/22/2020 at 4:45 PM, John Vere said: Did you bump your midi buffers up? I set mine to 1,000. The defaulty is too low at 200. Preferences/ MIDI/ playback and recording MIDI buffering was revised a couple releases ago. The default now is 50, and is generous where 250 was marginal and 500 was needed in most cases under the old scheme. I've been running mine at 20 without a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 So I have mine at 1,000? Is this not advisable now? And I just did a fresh install on a new OS drive and when I looked it was at 200. That is with the latest version. I then bumped it to 1,000 like I've always done. Certainly working just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Bone Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Is it possible that your hard drive is failing to deliver the sample file data in a timely enough fashion, to keep up with Cakewalk? This can be caused by having a single hard drive on the computer, where programs, and program data, and app data, and sample libraries, all live on the same drive, and this issue can also be caused by antivirus software scanning every single file that is opened (even in read mode), by default, and for sample library files, that can just murder streaming audio performance. Most antivirus software, might be all, comes with a means of adding a series of file/folder paths to a list of exceptions/exclusions, where the antivirus software will skip the scanning of any file and folder, and sub-folder, for any of the paths entered into that exceptions/exclusions list. There is no need to scan all of those files over and over and over, every time you trigger a sampled sound. ALL of those files and folders, and sub-folders, were already scanned when the sample libraries were installed, they are safe to skip. I also add exceptions, to Avast on my system, for: C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\* C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3\* C:\Program Files\VST64\* C:\Users\rober\AppData\Roaming\Cakewalk\* E:\* G:\* Please note that in the above list, the E: drive is a sample drive (I have several other such drives as exceptions, just no need to list them as that only applies to my system, which has 4 separate hard drives with nothing on them but sample libraries. And, the G: drive is the drive where I have all my Cakewalk Content folder, and the Cakewalk Projects folder, so I just have that whole drive as an exception in Avast. Bob Bone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razor7music Posted May 30, 2020 Author Share Posted May 30, 2020 I posted solved too soon. I still get dropouts when the drum sampler starts the first couple times I hit play, then it's fine for the rest of the session. Ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Arwood Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Is your antivirus off? That’s what I do. Also turn off the internet in large projects. Which drum sampler? Max Arwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Arwood Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) On 5/23/2020 at 11:28 AM, razor7music said: Hey Max I'm not sure I understand what your suggesting. The early access program? Would like to know. Current release now! Try Plugin load balancing off and/or on the see which is best for your projects/machine. Its in preferences / playback and Recording. Max Arwood Edited May 30, 2020 by Max Arwood Siri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 4 hours ago, razor7music said: I posted solved too soon. I still get dropouts when the drum sampler starts the first couple times I hit play, then it's fine for the rest of the session. Ideas? He's talking about the early access 2 release. It's not officially released yet. I'm not sure I follow. If you get a dropout there is always a toast message displayed telling you that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razor7music Posted May 30, 2020 Author Share Posted May 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said: He's talking about the early access 2 release. It's not officially released yet. I'm not sure I follow. If you get a dropout there is always a toast message displayed telling you that. That's another issue. I don't get a toast message to tell me the dropout code. Toast messages for loading the project, etc. but the dropout is a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razor7music Posted May 30, 2020 Author Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) On 5/30/2020 at 2:17 PM, Max Arwood said: Is your antivirus off? That’s what I do. Also turn off the internet in large projects. Which drum sampler? Max Arwood Never affected with W7, but I'll try it. kontakt 6 player with NI session drums samples. Same thing happens with AD 2. -EDIT- Hey @Max Arwood Shutting off AV protection had no effect--but worth a try. Thanks Edited June 1, 2020 by razor7music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 What version of cbb are you running? Can you share the project? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razor7music Posted June 1, 2020 Author Share Posted June 1, 2020 On 5/30/2020 at 8:21 PM, Noel Borthwick said: What version of cbb are you running? Can you share the project? Hey @Noel Borthwick I'll be back in studio tonight and will provide those answers. All these issues started when I upgraded to W10. In fact, I have dropouts on a finished project that had no problems with W7--now I can't even play one measure in W10--no toast message there either. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 3 hours ago, razor7music said: Hey @Noel Borthwick I'll be back in studio tonight and will provide those answers. All these issues started when I upgraded to W10. In fact, I have dropouts on a finished project that had no problems with W7--now I can't even play one measure in W10--no toast message there either. Thanks! Are you running the original 04 release or the latest early access build? What is your thread scheduling model set to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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