Syphus

That was trippy . . . 

Syphus

I found this very entertaining!  Like antler  said,  Starts of kinda dry, but became very interesting as it went on . . .

This reminds me a recent experience I had just this week.  I was trying to contact customer service of a very large (profitable) corporation and "due to heavy calling" the wait times could be somewhat long.   As I was waiting on the phone, they were playing the lamest background music.  Only that wasn't enough, The music was so over-driven and distorted, that it was unbearable to listen to. 

Long story short, I had come to the conclusion that this effect was done on purpose (my speculation) so that a portion of people would rather hang up than continue to hear it - LOL.  They had to aware of this . . .  (even though this was probably a third party service)

That is what this this reminded me about (except the music was much clearer).  I certainly have had my share of "corporate videos" I had to watch in my lifetime.

Syphus

Don't forget - You can also claim your "Free Loopcloud Bundle" also  . . .

(offer end Oct 31st)

https://www.pluginboutique.com/articles/1528

Just saying . . .

Syphus

OK - I'm back . . .

Problem is solved due to several things:

1 - I created some midi (for bass track) using another program that I know the results of.

• had to adjust notes to bring them into VST range - this worked importing the file

2 - Grabbed the midi file from Guitar Pro and imported (using drag & drop method):

• Stripped out the extra data from midi using "Event Viewer"
• Set the VST to ignore NRPN data (per Scook)
• Had to adjust note register (how low can you go - not that low - LOL).  So most of the data was out of range of the VST (my bad @mettelus thanks)
• Hit play and all is good

Thanks everyone for your help/suggestions - Have a great day!

Syphus

I will try to answer all here:

3 hours ago, Promidi said:

After you have performed the import of the MIDI data into the SI bass MIDI track, open the event list view.  Are there any events in there other than notes?

yes tried to look and edit the midi via "event viewer"  there was a "NRPN" at the beginning of the file - I deleted it but the condition persisted.

3 hours ago, MusicMan11712 (aka Dr. Steve) said:

Do you have an audio track that corresponds to the midi track and if so, does the audio volume show there?

This might not be your issue, but in many cases I find it helpful to have both the midi and audio track sliders showing. 

I do not believe it is my issue - the instrument worked until I imported the midi . . .

3 hours ago, scook said:

This would be my guess. Chances are Guitar Pro 7 is adding setup information to the exported files. This should be dealt with by modifying the program's export options.

I thought the same  . . .  unfortunately I  do not see any export parameters with Guitar Pro

3 hours ago, scook said:

Cakewalk sfz engine synths shut down when encountering unexpected data. Once the data is sent to the synth, it will make no sound until the project is shutdown and restarted. There are two ways to deal with the unexpected data in MIDI clips -

1. Open the clips in the Event List View and remove the offending data. Often the data is at the beginning of the clip. Deleting everything up to the first note may be enough or
2. Enable "Don Not Intercept NRPNs" in the VST plug-in properties page for the synth

I will look at this  . . .  and enable "Don Not Intercept NRPNs" and see what happens.  I will also edit the midi first (before clicking  play ) to remove the NRPNs to see what happens there.

3 hours ago, mettelus said:

Another comment to add to the above. The SI bass is also off by an octave IIRC, requiring you to to manually offset it. Unless you also have notes in the higher octaves, it will appear to be playing, but no sound.

not likely in this case as I am using two different VSTs  and both are acting badly with this data

Thanks all for your suggestions . . .   I will working on it later and report back . . .

Syphus

Hi All,

I have encountered this problem . . .   I would like some thoughts . . .

Here is the Process:

1) Create/edit a bass guitar part using Guitar Pro 7 (GP7) and export the midi

2) open a CW session (project) and using the "Synth Rack" create a instance of SI bass with/source midi track.

At this point I can click on the bass string or run the MIDI program snippets on the left side or use the virtual controller keyboard and get sound from the instrument.

3) import or drag & drop (D&D) the midi from GP7

4) When I hit play, the midi track shows activity (VU), but now no sound is produced.

5) Stop play & go back to the instrument GUI (interface) . . . Clicking on bass or running the programs on the left do not produce any sound.

Interesting enough, if I do not import or D&D the midi everything is working as described (I kill the project before hand by closing CW).

Notes:

Sometimes when I try to open CW again,  it will not open and is hanging (still active process).  Killing process allows me to open CW again.  I don't know if it will

kill it's self at this point (process) but something is obviously running in the background of CW.

If I manually enter midi data using the PRV (on the instrument's source track), all is good and I can play the midi notes with sound.

I tried to use the event viewer to see if there was anything weird going on with the imported midi,  but saw nothing.

Tried using another VST (MODO Bass) and reacted the same as described above

I'm assuming the the midi data from GP7 is the problem as this point.  I'm going to go and generate some other midi data with another program and import

it to see if it has any problems . . .

Has anyone out there experienced this? 

Thanks,

Syphus

I got a chuckle out of this one:

Here you go . . .

In Stock right now  . . .  (black,red and blue case)

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1290027-REG/seagate_stdr5000100_5tb_backup_plus_portable.html/?ap=y&smp=y&lsft=BI%3A514&gclid=CjwKCAjw29vsBRAuEiwA9s-0B6SgkqHyGJIue4HQZN6azDIjFI2o9TuOffN9PuP6n-OqPWm9EH-OqBoCT_QQAvD_BwE

Syphus

Went to look at drive - now "Sold Out".   I got a Toshiba 4T external for about $86 during "Prime Day" . . .

Syphus

I just recently (as in yesterday/today) spent backing up my computers/drives.   I decided to go the "Clonezilla" route.

Has anyone utilized this software and what is your satisfaction level with it.  One of the reasons I went this route was due to cheapness (its free).

Right now my DAW Laptop is backing up an image to a USB 4TB drive via Clonezilla.   Unfortunately this method does not support incremental type backups but I want to do this once a month in the event of a drive failure.

I also have a USB external drive that I backup my stuff to (such as CbB project files  and installers using Clonezilla),  I also back up that drive image image to another drive.

The Clonezilla method requires the use of a bootable USB drive to run a Linux OS in ram (memory) and no install on my hard drive w/background tasks.

Syphus

Hi -  I just test this out ( I think this is what you want):

(even thought I'm a bit late)

Open a new project (basic)

Set your audio to none (it will change once you start recording)

Turn you input fader down

Go to the page for preferences (as shown by Noel above)

Click the "playback box", "count in" to "0" measures

set you tempo

Arm your track for record, type "r" on keyboard.  Recording should start.  Let this record for about 4 and 1/2 measures.  Then stop.

Go to your track and select measure 1 thru 4, set your loop (for 4 measures)

Once loop selected, hit play.   Transport should loop through the 4 measures and the "Metronome"  should be clicking

If this is not what you are trying to accomplish - oops, sorry

Syphus

5 hours ago, pwalpwal said:

seems like a prompt for the qa team to do a quick sanity/regression test @ anything-other-than-100% or so

Let me say a quick thing here:   This is not the most elegant solution to this problem, but support advised that one should update to Windows 10 (as a solution).   It does not appear that support (I did contact them) will pursue this as a CbB problem .   This could be true (not getting treated as a CbB problem), but following the procedure above you might be able to get around it somewhat and get back the functionality as it was designed (for Start Window).

Syphus

2 hours ago, scook said:

For years, Noel has recommended running the scanner from preferences NOT the plug-in manager. It might be a good idea to get in the habit of using preferences whenever possible and restricting use of the plug-in manager only when necessary such as exclude list and plug-in layout management.

Interesting... I will do that next time  . . .  Although, now I'm curious as to why . . .   I will search the old forums and see what I can find . . .

Thanks for the info . . .   Once again  . . .

Syphus

6 hours ago, paulo said:

I'll have a look at that later, but now I've learned that it replaces the existing .dll I'm not sure I want an expiring demo to do that.

I was just relating my story  . . .    If you have it installed and license set in your Ilok account.  Just re-scan your plugins with the "Plugin Manager" (Utilities> Cakewalk Plug-in Manager).  You should be good at that point.

Syphus

3 hours ago, paulo said:

Well so far I've spent over an hour installing it and trying to get the VST scanner to recognise the .dll which didn't happen so I gave up. 

Here is my tale:  Installed it without the license installed to Ilok.    Ran cake and the scanner was stuck on Loom.dll.  Closed cake to find that underneath was a dialog box asking for license info.

So I got the license, installed into Ilok.   Ran Cake and no scan, no loom detected.  So I ran the full scan from the manager and Loom found.   Loom was under "Instrument" tab listed under Uncategorized .   Set it to synth and all is good.

Syphus

Alright folks - Last entry before we re-enter the atmosphere . . . 

The last test I wanted to do before concluding this thread was rebooting the computer and see if that last entry (by me) rang true.

The scroll bar seems to be a bit thinner that I would expect, but the scroll bar is still there.  All seems to be working as it is supposed to.   Of course one can only expect 16 icons to be available do to the design of the  "Start Screen", but now I can access them via the SS.

To summarize, here is how I got this to work:

I went to the setting in my control panel (for windows OS) and set the "Display" heading  under "Appearance and Personalization" and changed the setting from "125%" to "100%".   This will cause you to have to logout of your account and re-login.    Do not pay attention to the way your  desktop looks at this time.  Open cakewalk and check your SS.  It should be normal looking (with a visible scroll bar) and all other methods working ( arrow keys& pg up/dn keys).   At this point go back and change your text setting back to "125%", logoff & re-login".  Your desktop should be back to normal.   Open cakewalk and see if you SS is working correctly.

I just wanted to finish this up in case anybody out there encounter this - maybe this will help them.  I'm going to set this as solved at this point.

Thanks all who contributed to this thread . . .

Syphus

OK - Iied (LOL) . . . When back to old settings and all is right with my display . . . but,  now I can grab my scroll tab and I have opened and closed cake several time and it seems consistent.

Too weird for me

They say:  To err is human; to really mess up takes a computer

Syphus

Too late - Already tried it -  mine was set for 125% and now 100% 

The bar became visible and usable.  I can't say that I am enjoying this resolution though . . .   It messed up my  desk top arrangement (fixable)  but the weird thing is now my browser (firefox - bookmarks) is a bit strange (also fixable).

I have run to band practice for the rest of the day so it will be a bit before I get back to the investigation.

Syphus

4 minutes ago, Chuck E Baby said:

Are you running a normal Windows theme ? What OS ?

Yes, normal theme - the OS is windows 7

I did check the drivers for the video card and they are up to date.

1 hour ago, HIBI said:

I compared SS window width both yours and mine. It's same size. (inner size is 1023 pixels)

Interesting.   I don't know then what the deal is - all I know something funny is going on with this function

3 hours ago, HIBI said:

In short, SS is shifting to the right in the window at first so the scroll bar is sticking out of window?

Not exactly - I would say that the window is not large enough  (wide enough)  to show the scroll bar.  I'm getting it to show by forcing the window to shift (as you can see in the image above.  Note the letting is getting cutoff once the scroll bar pops out)

Syphus

When the "Start Screen" (SS for now) first appears after initial launch of cakewalk:

Mouse-pad does not move the window, the up/dn arrows or pg up/dn do not either

If I click (using the mouse pointer) on an empty space around the project icons while on the "Recent Project", then the up/dn arrows or pg up/dn WILL move the window up/dn so as to select the additional projects displayed in the window.  Doing the same on the "New Project" tab yields the same results.  No scroll bar in either view.

If I do a "double tap" and hold the second tap on the mouse-pad, then swipe the mouse pointer to the right until all at once, the entire window shifts to the left - boom!  (I would like to note that this set of commands, does a select function, highlighting the icons and such)  The scroll bar suddenly appears and now I can use the mouse pointer to move the scroll bar to move the window up and down.  All appears to function normal, but the window remains shifted to the left.  (the scroll bar is black)

Once the SS is closed and restarted (via the file menu or restarting cake) the SS is back to the non-functioning status until one forces it to start working per the above instructions.

Even if most people are not experiencing this "behavior"  this is not correct functionality in my book.

I will leave this topic open for a while and I will be sending the above info to Support and hopefully they will look into it for a future release.  It is not a show stopper by any means, but at least it answers the question as how the "Start Screen" should be working.  I will report any info I get from Support that is relevant.

Thanks to all that left their comments . . .
Syphus

Between the last two postings (Dr Steve & HIBI)  I have stumbled in to an interesting situation.  I can get it to work correctly, but I have to force it to work.

I have not come across the correct procedure to reproduce it yet - but for me, it seems the "window" needs to be larger by some amount of pixels so I can grab the scroll bar.

I'll report back with my findings....

Syphus

I don't have a mouse connected at this time due to USB port limits (as in not enough - LOL) . So I use the mouse pad on my laptop.

But to answer your question,

26 minutes ago, Chuck E Baby said:

Can you grab the slider (Right hand side) and use it instead of mouse wheel ?

I can see (barely) the actual scroll bar handle - but it only moves a fraction of the window (like 1/16th of an inch - or a few millimeters)

and what I can see (tops of next template) are not clickable  . . .

Syphus

Additional info (an realization)  the scroll bar is "black" and is the length of the window.  If you look closely, you can see the top and bottom of the bar:

(on my system)  the bar is black, the background is grey.  I can move it just barely and see the window move just a hair . . .  I wonder if something to do with my graphics card???  just a thought.

Syphus