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1 hour ago, telecode 101 said:

Yeah. I agree. Neural is more limited than AT 5. But the tones are truly original and unique. Not something you can easily re-create in AT.

True , it's a diffrent approach ; like you said it's clearly dirven by artist vision ... i would say it 's like the "artists" collection in AT a step further .....

Anyway , my feeling is that even with my personnal moaning about the workflow , i'm quite happy with what they and impressed in a  lot ofd areas , a lot of work have been done , kudos to the team ... we just have to lobby for tweaks here and there , but the core app is solid for another decade lol 

1 hour ago, telecode 101 said:

I'll add my  cents. I also use mostly clean and crunch tones. I use Neural Cory and now AT 5. I agree with the above. I don't think one can compare the two. They two are just very different products. Can't comment on S-gear as I don't own and use it -- just demoed it once. What I like about the AT 5 is the ability to micro manage and shape that tone beyond just eq and rudimentary mic placement. The VIR really does make a big difference and changes the game now.

As far as realism goes, neither is really real like a real amp. That's why I picked up the Z-tone DI. What I am doing now is feeding one output into the DAW and another output into a small amp in the studio so I can get a better feel for what I am playing.

 

FWIW.. A little JC-22 will probably blow away both sims. You just can't really use it live. A drummer and bass will wash you out. But good for playing at home.

https://www.roland.com/CA/promos/jc_40_years/

Personnaly , i will  label Neural healthly limitation versus AT witch can be for a new cat too much lol but imho AT is the king of all when it come to create album ready tones and as a playground , even with AT 4 it used to be there from production to mix end , when i need simple sounds it's neural dsp / stl / nembrini

Checking by the way roland stuff , no way to get infos on prices offers ect , just this damncloud , created an account didn t helped .... 

Larry i m getting only 30 % on bundle and triton ´ is that normal ?

11 minutes ago, Grem said:

Ok I have had a few hours with AT5. Sounds damn good. Really good. A/B'd alongside AT4 and really no comparison. 

But I can tell you this much for sure: It's not ready to be released. I am finding bugs in the standalone program that I feel like I am part of the "Early Release" testers. 

Sounds really good and when they get all this stuff ironed out it will be a go-to app for sure. But as of now, I can't use it as a practice replacement for AT4 yet. It's just too buggy.

Are you experiencing those bug in vst also ? 

4 hours ago, Peter - IK Multimedia said:

The Tiny Terror should appear for all now.  You may need to Restore Purchases though.

CS has 16 IR per speaker, using the same tech there as AT4.  So the default would be the AT4 cabinets but you will still have sonic differences since AmpliTube 5 is a complete rewrite including the engine.  Plus the legacy amps are redone, etc.

Thks for the precisions , are the big impulses number in Se version and up makes a differences in cpu ? 

25 minutes ago, Marc Cormier said:

I don't think it's optional, Zo - its part of the cab section now.  When you turn off the internal cab feature, there's no discernible reduction in CPU load for the couple of patches I've tried this evening.

Mmm so basically somebody that started projects woith CS will not have the same sound sif he upgrade on project recall ? strange !!

45 minutes ago, Marc Cormier said:

No problems in terms of tonal variety, but I have yet to see where or how this impacts where an amp sits in the mix.  Probably won't get to that part of the fun until the weekend, Zo.  Without the added interplay with other speakers or the floor, the more traditional mic placements sound pretty darn good.  If you're a fan of the Orange amps, I would update for those on their own. 

Marc , can we choose to de activate the new VIR on taste to avoid CPU hit (i suppose it add cpou cycles ) because i do  find AT5 surpisgnly cool on cpu versus what i expected , kudos to ik for that , it sounds as good if not better versus other actually hyped amp sims but without the need to floor my dsp 

1 minute ago, Marc Cormier said:

The amp is the same, Zo, but with VIR/cab section you get the benefit of the new IRs, the positioning options (dual speaker and floor resonance), and the new 3D mic placement.  It's the 3 Gb download doing its job.  I remember there were some similar options in AT4 but all the new IRs and being able to capture the resonance of speakers next to the one you micing are new, I think.  I didn't use AT4 very much before.

Are those "resonnance" really adding something or creating more problems ? 

30 minutes ago, Marc Cormier said:

I love the new amps, Zo.  Whether they're "accurate" or not will be someone else's opinion but they all have distinct tone and character and respond VERY differently to the same pedal configurations I would normally slap across different amps in something like THU.  It's really cool how different the gain processing can sound between one set of pedals and totally different amps.  I completely agree about Orange amps - they cover 90% of anything I might consider using an amp sim for and sound AT LEAST as good as they did in AT4; they were pretty much the only thing I used if I went to AT4.  The VIR stuff is definitely missing from your demo and probably one of the biggest impact items in the update.  Between the IR options and swapping individual speakers, I have YET to feel like I have to load a 3rd party IR, although that's something I'll get to for A/B comparisons.

The workflow?  Yeah there's part that annoy me but not nearly as much as I found AT4 to be cumbersome.  It's probably also why I'm warming to it quicker; less time spent in AT4 to begin with.  My biggest gripe?  NO UNIVERSAL GATE...gotta search for the pedal.

 

Thks MArc for the detailed feeback , is the VIR another layer of option or does it change the original sound of the amp versus what's in CS ? what i mean is tha an AMP on CS and SE are the same or even that changes ?

Ampeg sounds sweeeeeeet .... so far impressed by the sound  certainly would have made me spend less in other amp sims lol 

Still not so happy with inteface , but i'm trying to not be biased by it and keep testing  , what's up with new amps ?really that good ? Didn't tried those yet 

They never exeed 30 %?

40 minutes ago, LAGinz said:

So Zo, “more precise and less resonant “ not necessarily good in an amp, no? BTW, does AT5 overwrite AT4 or do we have choice of running in either?

It's a great debate , perfect exemple is STL Tones .... a lot of people compare amp sims but in the case of stl tones , their approch is mix ready stuff ...versus sounding exactly like the real deal 

Why i say that ? because no matter what people call natural or what ever , i end up chasing bad resonnance in the mixing process ... so if i can't get it done from start it's great . Usually i can achieve that with mic placemnt and Amp tweak , but on old AT , i had to tweak way more (Mic type , post EQ ect ...) , AT 5 seems that this react more like real life meaning fast moves are enougth to get it sound great witch is a big plus 

NOW , sounds appart , it's really making me sad that IK imho  MISSED to much areas to improve things , SIMPLE things  to enhance workflow ..... in some cases it's even more difficlute than before , and it let me question either beta testing or IK faculty to embraced remarks /request in that stage !!

Simple thing like : 

1) ok i want stereo , i have to change rotuing , i have to insert same amp copy settings for amps and cab ect ...

2) let's say i want to pan one left on right and handle volumes  : A Simple pan / vol for a whole chain isn't present i have to go in the mixer view witch is reach vioa CAb click , then another click , i have to pan bus then do the same for second chain ect .... REALLY ? is this a scnearios that is so UNCOMMON that nobody at IK said : hey let's propose simple Vol and Pan module to put in chain to handle that ?  Or at least a Rack FX or pedal called utilities or some !!

3) search bar : i typed orange : nothing !! ok let's type , fender : nothing , you know why ? becaus eyou have to type the amp name !!! , come on !!

4) tweaking a preset , let's say i want to change the mic : clcik cabinet , double lciked the mic gui : nope , it would have been to easy !!! click mic on the filter on the right ,..

I know i sound kinda irrated but i know IK , for me it's one of the few brands that have nothing to envy to UA quality wise and much more and i can't understand why Features versus workflow isn't on pair with what we can /must have in 2020 

Why not a simple fader icon beforen and after one amp allows you to reach simple Vol and pan  ... because if i insert for exemple 2 amps with very didfrrent gain staging , increasing input will make one chill and one scream  !!! (yep another common scenario ) 

It's anyway a great update and this is the sadest thing , because it could have kille the competition !!  STL messed up also their last update making easy stuff more complicated .... i recently sold my beloved synthronik , because i was using it , and guess why ? Workflow , having to jump here and there .... was simply a pain , i even didn't decided to not using , the process made itself to me without any cosnciousness each time i needed this or that it was anything but Synthronik  ... SAD 

Still , like AT 4 , it's gonna be my playground for complex sound design , but in a hurry scenario , during creatif dense process , pretty sure i'm gonna load Neurald dsp , and for bass a dedicated stuff l ....

Just now, Magic Russ said:

I don't know if this helps, but with my Komplete Audio 6,  I was not getting any sound either.  I use a mic into input 1 (L) and guitar to input 2 (R).  Swapping the inputs on the Audio/Midi settings page worked for me.

Personnaly , i think that ORange can cover any ground like crazy !!

Just now, cclarry said:

You can use it in SE...just not CS I believe.  Yes, you have placement in 3D of the mic..

oups i'm on CS , just wanted to test first ...

4 hours ago, cclarry said:

the new VIR Tech IR Libraries

lol so in my case (CS) i's installed but can't be used , is this the place where you can handle more precisly m ovement of mic's ?

I do find the sounds already more "precise" and less resonnant .... and it's the SE version , by the way Fender now includes Princeton amp ? only in AT 5 ? why so ?(not in AT 4) 

May i suggest Press werk as one of the best ITB comp without flooring your cpu 

Satin is top notch also 

I don't even speak about the synths , we all know their quality  

Bogth the reggae , last thing on earth i needed , but no regret at first play ,sound superb ...

11 minutes ago, Sander Verstraten said:

For the Reggae one? Somewhere today.

The other three? They should have been gone already, they are Black Friday deals that apparently never got taken down. So who's to say when they will disappear.

Thks sander , i'm in for the reggae but sinc ei won hip hop still wondering , hip hop has stuff from every kits ...

I thought it was 4 for 19 lol  

any end date ?

First contact , but workflow wise i have mixed feelings .... the fact that we cannot close the browser makes resizing not that better than old one ....also 

Didn't tried yet but can it plays stereo without having to create a routing insert another amp , look for the same amp , copy settings ect ... ?

@Peter - IK Multimedia  please Peter : Previous Next page in the custom shop a must !!!

Can anybody explain this ? i own all leslie but collection telling me to buy

Guyz i'm having this error when tryiong to install custom shop , i unsinstalled old one , still the same , now i have none !!

EDIT : ok i uninstallled and resintalled on default loaction and it worked , really like the new one 

Great feedback here , i tested uad fender and it has a great depth and punch ,if my collection sounds kinda like this in a5 , i m for it and if i need it like back then i will use at 4 likely ..

guyz please : perfomance ? Smooth ? Cpu hit ? Verus at 4 cpu ...