Bill Phillips

What's the best way to restore a clip edited in Melodyne as a region effect and rendered thereby replacing (overlaying?) the original clip? See screenshot. The rendered clip is overlaying (I think) and replacing the original clip (Ld Vcl T3 RX (Bounced, 259) shown in the browser. The two clips have exactly the same number of bytes. I tried importing 259 but that didn't work. I'm guessing that the original clip is "hidden by" the rendered clip but I don't know how to bring it to the top. I thought it might show up when I opened take lanes but only one take is shown.

Works like a charm. Thanks.

I don't think "bounce to clip" will work for a region effect. What I do for a Melodyne region effect is right click in the clip and select Region FX > Melodyne > Render Region FX. What I'd like to do is replace that operation with a keyboard shortcut.

CTRL + M opens a Melodyne Region Effect. Can I make a keyboard shortcut to render a Melodyne Region Effect? I couldn't find the CTRL + M keyboard shortcut that opens a Melodyne Region Effect in the Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts and I can't find any of the Region Effect related functions in the Keyboard Shortcuts Function list. So I'm guessing that the answer to my question is no, but would like to be sure. I'm finding myself creating a lot of Melodyne Region Effects clips right now and am getting a lot of benefit from the CTRL + M shortcut and could make good use of a companion shortcut to render Melodyne Region Effects.

@Funkfingers You can add clip automation and drag it up and down to adjust clip gain. I use this to reduce peaks and raise the level of quiet parts. You can also add a gain plugin on each clip which will act like a clip fader.

Thanks @David Baay I don't know how I added a fade across the whole clip. This clip was under another (sound on sound). When I unmuted it the fade was there. I couldn't seem to find the correct fade handle but eventually did and removed it.

Thanks @chuckebaby. That does sound useful but I never imagined it being a DAW function.

See screenshot. I'd used Melodyne RX to align this clip with the one clip above it but got comb filtering. So I muted the rendered clip and went back to the original clip and wanted to slip edit it to fit. As soon as I started slip editing from the left edge that black line across the clip appeared. Why's it there and what do I do to get rid of it?

Well my response was a question not an answer. But, I did have an approach in mind that I would try if I ever wanted to rearrange a song, though I haven't tried it because I haven't had a need to. So, I'm not sure it would work. Starting with something I do for every project: I work with live recordings not recorded to a click track and use one track (usually acoustic guitar) to set the project tempo using Melodyne to extract the tempo. Before I do that I change all clip time references to absolute time so that clips don't move when the tempo map changes. This may help keep clips aligned when they are moved as well. Now to the part I haven't done: After the project tempo is set and any clip editing is done, couldn't the clips in each track be bounced to clips for each verse, chorus, etc? Then couldn't all the clips in the verse, chorus, etc to be moved be selected vertically in track view and moved in mass with the tempo map to wherever you like on the time line and inserted complete with the tempo map? If that works, what I'd do is save each arrangement as a separate project in the same project folder so that all arrangements share the same audio folder. Would this work? Another possibility for projects recorded to a click track that I haven't tried is putting verses, choruses, etc in Matrix View clips where they can be shuffled but I think this would require bouncing all clips in each verse, chorus, etc into a single clip which would rule out track effect and automation tweaks during the rearrangement exercise. This wouldn't work for me since my projects don't use click tracks.

Thanks scook. Hopefully I won't need one. I already have my hands full.

You can't do that in track view?

Can the Loop Construction View be used as an audio editor? I haven't had a reason to edit wav files other than moving blobs around which I do using either the smart tool or Melodyne RX. But I've thought that's what LCV is for.

Thanks for the insights Matthew. For me that's all useful information. Hopefully it will get sorted out. I really like the iZotope Production Suite for mixing. Bill

Matthew, thank you. You are correct and I hadn't noticed that. I switched to the VST2 version or relay to get access to the Advanced features. See screenshot. Looks like I'll need to pick between the two versions choosing between getting the track names or the advanced features. I've reported both problems to iZotope and they say the problems are likely Cakewalk specific because they don't support Cakewalk. It's nice that Melodyne does support Cakewalk!

It appears that something in the 2019.11, Build 63 update broke track name communications between Cakewalk and iZotope for use by iZotope's Neutron 3 Visual Mixer. I haven't checked other iZotope inter-plugin communications. This is a new problem, iZotope plugin's have been showing track names and communicating those track names to visual mixer until now. On the attached screenshot red boxes outline where the track names should be shown.

Thanks Noel. I stay current when I can. So I have 2019.11 build 63 with the patch. I'll try that. I'd remembered a lot take lane improvements were added in one of the recent updates. Thanks for that. Looks like all I will need to do is bounce to tracks take lanes containing multiple clips to get the clips properly aligned in the new mix project. I'm seldom happy with a mix. So I end up doing lots of re-mixes and am always looking for easy ways to load the tracks from one mix into a clean mix template for another go at it

Thanks. I should be able to move the take clips into take lanes.

Will this method import all takes for tracks with multiple takes?

Thanks for the explanation and workarounds. I'd seen the workarounds post before but forgot them and couldn't find the post.

Why don't CbB documentation searches search the most recent version the CbB online documentation? When I click Help > Documentation at the top left of CbB and then type a search phrase into the search box I get results like those shown in this screenshot. What I want are results from the latest CbB documentation, but I only see results from older pre-Bandlab versions. I think I've seen this question answered before but I can't find the answer so can someone please answer it again or point me to a previous answer. Thanks.

Very helpful. Thanks. I never considered the retina distance. My viewing distance is ideally 30"-32" but I don't have room for a 40" display. Also, I've noticed that there don't seem to be any 4K displays in the range of 32"-40." I have about 34" between my monitor speakers. I do have an Ergotron articulated display mount that supports 20 lbs and could support the 32" monitor at 25" viewing distance, though a slightly larger 34" display would be better if there was one.

Without a way to audition the 34" 4K display, I have trouble visualizing the impact it would have. On my 1K display I notice that the Inspector and Console Module widths and heights don't vary. Does that mean that they'd be half as wide and high on a 4K display which has twice the number of horizontal and vertical pixels? I'm also worried about text size. Is there a good way to visualize the what CbB would look like on a 4K display? I mostly work in Track View with the Console View docked below. I also bounce between full Track View and full Console View depending on what I'm working on. I also usually have several analysis plugins open in the final stages of mixing along with the plugin I'm adjusting.

I have a related question. Can I replace my 27" 1K (1920 x 1080) display with a larger single display (probably 34" max) 4K (3840 x 2160) and have room to display track view (not maximized) and plugin pop-ups around it? I'm thinking that I don't need the full 27" for track view because I also have CbB on my Surface Pro 3 which has a 12" diagonal display which is cramped for sure. But somewhere between 12" and 27" would probably work if I could read the text in track view and on the plugin pop-ups. Is there any way to visualize what that would look like without actually buying the 4K display and trying it? Also, maybe something in between would be better; say 2560 x 1080. Any suggestions appreciated.

Thanks Noel. That exactly describes what happened. I need to review Quick Grouping.

Problem solved. Before dragging the acoustic guitar DI track to the timeline, select all tracks with the Clip Inspector open, hold down the CTRL key and change the Time Base to Absolute. Also, don't hold down SHIFT key when dragging the clip to the timeline. Holding the SHIFT key down seems to trigger some bizarre mixdown behavior in Melodyne.