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OK-Even if I am talking to myself here goes; Hooked up the 3rd Gen 18i20 after completely removing, per focusrite instructions ALL of 4th gen stuff. Worked for 2 projects and then just did the SAME THING..........I hate to reinstall win 11 pro BECAUSE I have so many apps and vsts that have WORKED FINE forever. But since some projects cause the freeze and others don't I don't get to see what VSTS are used in the projects if that was the cause. So win 11 pro upgrade and 4th Gen 18i20 were the only NEW things that were done right before this started I guess it was the win 11 pro upgrade.

I did find this a minute ago: Focusrite 18i20 4th Gen issues reported by users include phantom power problems, Auto Gain malfunctions, freezing in Focusrite Control 2, and a cross-talk issue in some units. Some users noted a 50 Hz noise on all channels and a power-related problem where the device sometimes fails to power on. Focusrite has released firmware and software updates, but some units may require a Return Merchandise Authorization (RMA). Users can find troubleshooting steps and software updates on the Focusrite support website. EDIT: Wonderful... I do still have my 18i20 3rd gen in a closet, so I guess I can do that. Sadly the new Focusrite Control 2 is the reason I bought a new one. It is so much better than 3r gen, for me anyway.......

Yes I would love to have stayed with Win 10 Pro but I figured for updates, security and fixes I needed to go to 11. Thanks Bristol

I believe so also but cannot get Focusrite support chat today, well not yet anyway. In a 2 day period I installed win 11 Pro upgrade from win 1o Pro and then updated Scarlett 18i20 4th Gen drivers and firmware per focusrite notifier and website? Very strange. Thanks David

Well Colin perhaps the fact that I am a disabled combat vet with severe CML(Chronic Myeloid Leukemia) and as yet not fixed Anemia (that would be red blood cells that carry the vital needs of your body and brain) accounts for my not being able to express my self better than I have... I truly hope you never have to go thru this. I guess you will never understand will you?

60 views but no one has a single idea? What have I done to deserve this treatment from the forum?

EDIT: OK Sorry I can not give better info. I am trying. Nothing will shut sonar down except the power button. I understand, too vague... well it's the best I can do.................Sorry! Re installed CWby BL and it is doing the same thing? Forgot-I am still using the free Sonar until I can work out how I want to pay. Control+escape gets me to the start menu but shutting down STILL requires the power button........... Also after forced shutdown, Sonar is NOT RNNING according to the task manager yet when I open it I do NOT get the countdown for the free tier????? well I sure wish I could have stayed on win 10, but..........Posted a while back about upgrade from 10 to 11 pro and sync and other issues. Core parking was the biggest issue pointed out. I did that and a few others like usb putting pc to sleep, etc, et. Not too many. So either my win 11 install is screwed or the focusrite 18i20 4th Gen control 2 update and hardware FW update are the issue. Opening certain projects (very random-Dead freeze...taskbar end task, Also, even when they open it takes a while screen switching from cursor to spinning circle and back again until it opens. NOTHING but the power button will end the freeze. When I reboot and open sonar it does not go thru the Free waiting period countdown. This leads me to believe Sonar never shut down. I am very bummed. I haven't seen any complaints or issues from others about the Focusrite update........120 days ago before win 11 pro and the 18i20 4th gen updates I was fine. I will apoligize in advance for my typing, my spelling is fine but my typing skills are terrible

Thanks very much folks...........Big difference immediately and I just started with the suggestions............

I remember him, Black Viper. I used some of his tips also................

I th e older days, there were sites where individuals with the knowledge of what to turn off\change whatever in win 7, 8, etc for daws. Any suggestions? I did ust disable the core parking thanks to th reminder from Hook above. Thanks

So I finally made the leap, was win 10 Pro, now win 11 Pro. So I had to raise the playback buffer....was 256 without issues but had to go to 512-still a little weird. Is this normal behavior? Thanks

Ashwin As I staed above the paypal process in the CW support pages does not seem , well, normal. That is why I am asking these questions. I have been pretty vocal about perpetual license and anti-subscription since the day CW started this. So I was finally giving in, as a 30+ years user of CW\Sonr, paid for every upgrade as many here have, but was\am confused by the support page you have for paypal subscriptions.

Was the procedure the same as any other paypal transaction? I ask because the support page CW has for using paypal is, well, weird and doesn't seem like the procedure I am used to. I have been using paypal for decades. Thanks

No problem.

I tried to reach out to support thru the support page about using paypal for Sonar subscription-yes I was finally giving in. Sonar free is nice but without the things that are blocked it does not work for me. CWBL worked fine but of course they are taking that away. Anyway, no reply from CW? Yes there is a document or explanation about using paypal for subscription but I don't really understand it and I refuse to use credit cards. Just my way. So I guess I am being force to start using one of my other daws-I have licenses for Reaper and Studio one. If the idea is to get us to subscribe a reply to my question about paypal would be cool. The way I read their method with paypal they are making up their own rules for paypal. But like I said I really don't understand it. I have other subscriptions using paypal for MANY YEARS.....Oh well.

It was there-but had a small little pict to toggle it into view.. Thanks to all for the help... The synth rak may be old fashioned, I know I can just drag fx plugs, etc, etc but I find it easier to edit, make changes to the plugs this way. It's old school maybe but so am I. Thanks again folk-much appreciated!~

At least I can go to bed knowing that Cakewalk has somehow targeted people like me, who complained and had threads closed because of the OH SO POPULAR subscription without a perpetual option. OK I am ONLY KIDDING but for me, it's definitely to dive into Studio One and Reaper...............................

I have been doing that for many decades. I use it. But I restarted sonar 2X and still selecting with the mouse does NOT open it. The only one so far?

OK I get it's free. I get no workspaces. But are we not allowed to view the synth rack? I truly hope I am just missing it.............I could handle that.

Ya think? Nope, not even close.............😉

I tried the mackie big knob but the noise was too much. Any ideas? Thanks folks

The instructions to use paypal for subscription service to sonar is, well, rather confusing. I have finally broken down against the subscription stuff mainly due to the fact that I am, well, sick I mean for real , and an now I still cannot do it? I do not use credit cards, haven't for decades............

Hey John Yeah, I caused a few locks myself-asking questions.................All very, very confusing. So in that respect, NOTHING has changed here at CW 😉

Guess I should have known this since I have been here since the 90's. Been fine using CWbyBL, does all I need. But I figured I would check out the free Sonar. And of course, the $49 promo disappears and turns into $99? WHY? That's not a question really-I know by now. EDIT:We all know the free Sonar will be going bye bye also..............

OK installed it. For my work this makes no difference at all-I don't use CW plugins anymore. But I am guessing this move also means we will be forced to subscribe or move on when this "EVALUATION" is over and bye bye CbyBL! Says Evaluation which would imply it will be going bye bye real soon. No?