Shane_B.

Steve, I just thumbed up one of your posts to get you to 1,000 total member reputation. Do I win a prize? Perhaps a used Kemper? ?

Well thank goodness you got the correct Lennon woman song ... ?

Sorry Steve. ? @bdickens ... If I have a song that starts in A and I change the key to B and it adds 7th's to everything after the key change, and according to you it's because of the way the samples were recorded, then why can I start the song in B and change the key to C and it plays the B's normal and adds 7th' to everything after the C? If what you are saying is true then every time I would have BiaB play a B it would be in 7th, no? Why can't it simply play the B after the key change the way it would if I had started the song in B if it's using pre-made samples?

LOL! You've been following me around on other forums haven't you Steve? I recently bought BiaB on hard drive because my internet connection was so slow and unreliable I couldn't download it. It was freaking expensive! 3 weeks later my internet provider went to a new 5G type network and upped it from 3Mb Download/1.5Mb Upload to 30Mb/20Mb at no extra cost . . . I was happy and pissed all at the same time. My very first tune in BiaB I tried to do a simple Christmas song. Get my feet wet with something I was familiar with. Starting on the last verse it changes key. The whole song is just in straight chords, no 7th's, 9th's, nothing fancy. I just wanted a simple basic straight open chord strumming with a simple drum/bass arrangement. Nope. Can't do it. After the key change BiaB adds in 7th's turning the song in to some warped sounding blues tune. Imagine the song Silver Bells done in a blues style. That's what it sounded like. I got attacked by the fanboy's when I asked how to make it stop doing that. Apparently that's how it's supposed to be. If you change key in a song 'technically' you are supposed to follow the original key and add in 7th's when the key changes. That was their excuse. BiaB has settings to force the program not to embellish key changes and chords that way. It doesn't work/it's broken. But tech support won't admit it and just says that's how it's supposed to be. So there you have it. If you change key in a song, you have to add 7th's. No if's and's or butt's. According to PG Music the creators of Band In A Box. BTW, it doesn't do it if you use their crappy midi files. Only when you try to use their Realtracks which are samples of real musicians. But still, that's the way it's supposed to be . . . BTW, I didn't realize Imagine changed key? Did we just get snookered? ?

This is a hard one to answer. I've experimented with so many free synth's and samples. I use strings and piano as background and almost always go to a few patches in Dimension Pro and SI Strings. I've used pipe organ samples someone painstakingly sampled from a very old church in England I got off a Soundfont site many years ago that's no longer there, but I have the sf2's backed up. My main instruments are my guitars. Session Drummer 3 for drums. Dimension Pro for strings and piano and SI Strings. Guitar Rig Pro 4 for my amps and other special effects. You can run vocals through it and do some cool stuff. I like how you can record just the effects and save them as a wav. For mixing/mastering I use Ozone 9 Advanced, Melda AutoDynamicEQ, and the stuff that comes with Studio One Pro and CbB. I don't have the smarts or the attention span anymore to really dive in to new things so I tend to stick to what my muscle memory will allow. I mean, it just took me 4 days to set up a hardware loop on my audio interface. I fear I'm on a downward spiral. I'll have to dig out that pipe organ sound font set and do something and post. It was really good, especially when you know it's a real several hundred year old pipe organ.

I figured it out. What an absolute nightmare. I've been working on this for 4 days straight all the while being told it was my hardware that was bad by various people I've talked to. The big secret that's not in any manual or official video from Presonus is *drum roll* ... You have to disable Universal Control virtual mixer. And you have to use the Line Inputs on the front of the unit that have the mechanical gain knobs which I didn't want to do. 4 flipping days guys. Scouring the net. Reading their website. Asking for help on their forum from guys who have been using Presonus software and gear since day 1. I finally found the answer by some guy on YouTube who went in to detail on how to set it up and even took the time to photoshop up a flow chart. Oh my God I'm so happy and mad all at the same time. It's becoming clear to me that almost nobody uses this for external hardware or the internet would be rife with the questions I just asked. There is no way on Earth I or anyone would ever dream that the virtual mixer they force you to use for EVERYTHING has to be totally bypassed and you are limited to only being able to use the inputs that have the mic pre gain knobs. Not in the manual, their site, their forum, their youtube video's. Nowhere. Unreal. 4 days. Thanks for your help Bruno! EDIT 02/19/21 : I have to correct myself here in case someone stumbles across this looking for help on setting this up. After a lot more testing I discovered you can use all the inputs even without the virtual mixer. You just have to be extremely careful because there is no way to control the volume level. This goes against what I've seen in some setup videos that said you cannot use them without the virtual mixer. At any rate, you have to disable the virtual mixer or you get a bad feedback loop. You can manually adjust the levels by using the inputs with built in mic pre's or you can use the extra inputs but you just get line level with no way to adjust that except with your external hardware or the level come out of your DAW.

I can't believe he was 79. On a side less musically tragic note, Englebert Humperdinck's wife died a couple of days ago. They both contracted C19. He may not be far behind. He has a really good YouTube channel I subscribe to.

No I don't have loop back enabled. If you only have Artist, for a mere $15 dollars you can try the latest version of Studio One. ? ? You don't have to use Pipeline. Supposedly it makes it easier to set up, but you don't have to use it. In Studio One you can send a track to an output on your audio interface, connect that output to your hardware's input, take your hardware's output and connect to a line in on your audio interface and assign that line in to another track in studio one and enable monitoring. It should be that simple. Pipeline allows you to compensate for latency but if you are just mastering like I am then you don't need it. I was trying to use it because all the video's made it look super easy to do. That said, I can't get that to work or Pipeline. I'm dragging the rest of my gear out of storage now and going to try and hook up monitors rather than just use headphones. I'm hoping that's the problem. BBL to report on my success. ?? Tx.

I just installed Studio One 5 last night and somehow it scanned all of my drives and found Rapture, Dim Pro, Z3TA, Pentagon and all the other Cake stuff. It even found True Piano's. Funny thing is, I can't get Rapture to run in Studio One 3 or CbB, but Studio One 5 found it and it loads right up. Out of curiosity I clicked on the link that said 'True Piano's only works with Cakewalk click link to buy full version' when I loaded True Piano's 64. It's still available and you can still get a discount if you own Cakewalk. I couldn't believe it. I really like Rapture, Dim Pro, and Z3TA. I still use them. Z3TA can be used as a VST effect for guitar and vocal with some great results.

Wow! I just found out that they wrote Take Me Home Country Roads with John Denver. Never knew that.

Great song. Watch till the end. Look at that console!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Careful, you'll get the thread deleted.

I won't won't won't won't won't won't won't . . .

Grr. My post just got booted. I'm back. SMH. I had a reply typed and it's gone now. So here I go again . . . Thanks for the info! I heard back from someone at Presonus and they confirmed all the Input's and Output's on the 1810c are Balanced. I'm only using true Balanced cables so I can rule them out. I need to hook up my monitors. Right now I'm only using headphones and in all the setup video's I've seen nobody is using headphones. It may be some internal routing issue when they send monitor outs to the headphone jack. There's no setting in the UC that allows you to route your outputs to the headphone jack. It's all automatic. The UC is a virtual mixer you use outside of your DAW to control all the inputs and outputs of Presonus audio interfaces. It's called Universal Control. It is also what you use to initially install all the drivers and it is updated regularly. Thanks!

It might stay free until it's Cakewalk by *Insert buyers name here*. And please, don't take me wrong, I'm not putting them down, I'm just being realistic. Although Bandlab Technologies has extremely deep pockets so maybe it will stay free. I just know how things can change. I never would have made a statement like that, but I respect him for doing it and believe that's what he intends to happen. I often wondered why they don't make it sort of like Reaper where you can use it for free or buy a license if you want to support them. Maybe there's some kind of tax shelter thing to where they have to or want to keep it free. CbB is better now than it ever was and for that I'm very grateful. I'm glad it's still around and I hope it is after I'm gone. ?

I'm so jealous of everyone I see online taking less than 4 seconds to set this up and get it working. There's even a freakin' news feed on Studio One's startup screen that came out yesterday about it showing how awesome it is and how great it works. I'm such a loser. LOL!

So that's where all our G.C. trade in's go.

There is no way CbB will be free forever. Bookmark this post and mark my words. There is no way CbB is going to be free forever. I skipped Upgrading to Studio One 4 and 5. I'm still on 3. I just signed up for Sphere tonight for a month so in my eyes I just saved $285 plus whatever the cost is of everything else I just got access to. And when I'm done using my DAW in a couple months, I'll cancel and start it up again some time. If I get a wild hair in the meantime, I'll keep using Studio One 3. No matter what I'll still keep using CbB too. I really like it. More than Studio One in a lot of ways. If you're a professional in an actual working studio then I can see how you would want to buy software, get it stable, and not change a thing. The reality is, that cost gets passed on to others and it really doesn't cost you anything though. But the vast majority of people out there are like me and for us it makes sense. Or buy all the separate goodies outright if you're in the same situation as I am if you want. Or use free stuff. It's all ok. I use a combo of all options. I've never seen a Studio One upgrade price for less than $149 and if memory serves me they offer an upgrade every year. Sphere is $169 a year iirc? So if you look at it that way, you're paying $20 bucks a year for 70GB cloud storage, free tech support, free chat support by pro users, the Pro version of everything they offer, and an upgrade pathway for other 3rd party plugins like Melodyne. I'm no cclarry, but I do keep my eyes open for deals and I can't ever recall seeing the upgrade price less than $149. If it can be had cheaper at times then that's great!

Trade ya. I read an article one time about all that clean air stuff. It said if the smog cleared up we'd actually go in to an ice age. It's the only thing keeping us from being 1.38 Miles below ice. I'm in a southern state. Record lows. It's 12°F here now. Snowy. Windy. Been that way for almost a week. Going to be in the single digits every night for the next 2 weeks. Low of -15°F this weekend, high of low teens. We're having record lows here. So please, get in the Baps Mobile and smog up the city will ya. This global warming/freezing sucks.

I have the Reference Series non-digital version of that unit. It has blue backlit VU's and upgraded tubes from the factory. I don't like the VU color to be honest. It sticks out too much. It is a great unit though. Fantastic when you consider the reasonable price. I have it and the Pro VLA II compressor (See my sig). Just running a signal through them both chained together and setting all the compressor settings so they have no effect significantly improves guitar and mic tone, imo. To answer your question about smoothing out the vocals a bit first, the best way I've found to do this is use a plugin by Melda called MAutoVolume. Here's a video showing it being used. Skip ahead to 4:40 to see the results. You can use it on instruments too. But you would have to record the vocal part first then throw the MAutoVolume VST in the FX Bin. I prefer that rather than manipulate the signal too much before it's recorded. You have more options that way. Waves also has a Vocal Rider VST that does sort of the same thing but I refuse to have anything Waves related on my system.

I know there are some Studio One guys here. Hopefully you or anyone can help with this. I've been trying to route my external compressor through my audio interface using Studio One and the Pipeline Stereo plugin. Pipeline is a Studio One exclusive plugin used to loop hardware through your audio interface and capture it in Studio One. It has a feature to where you can compensate for latency so the timing isn't off. It's super simple to set up. 1. Hook your hardware up in a loop to the audio interface. 2. Open up Audio I/O Settings in the song you are working on in Studio One and select the I/O's. 3. Insert the Pipeline Stereo (or Mono) plugin on the track bus or the master bus and select the I/O's. I'm mastering a stereo wave file with stereo hardware so I used Pipeline Stereo. 4. Done. It takes like 20 seconds. Maybe 25 if you stop to check the forums for new posts. ? New drivers came out today but they didn't help. The track meter I have the stereo wave file on in Studio One appears normal/stereo. The I/O meters in Pipeline appear normal/stereo. The VU meters on my hardware appear normal/stereo. All the meters for the Inputs and Outputs in the virtual mixer (Universal Control) show normal/stereo. Without a doubt I have everything routed properly with a stereo signal making it's way through from beginning to end. The only place I cannot get a normal stereo signal is when I monitor it. Right now I'm only using headphones but I would think that shouldn't matter? The audio coming through the headphones is either Mono (even though the meters throughout the signal chain show it to be Stereo) depending on if I mute certain inputs in the Universal Control virtual mixer and if I have the Pipeline plugin visible on the screen. Or, it's stereo but sounds like I've added delay even though the mix slider is set to full wet as if you were hearing the track doubled but not in sync and when this happens the hardware has no effect on the signal. It's as if the original stereo wave file is doubled and out of sync. Lastly I can get a hardware effected signal but it is accompanied by feedback as if my input signal in to the compressor is too hot and it's in mono even though all the meters are showing stereo. All these things change depending on which inputs and/or outputs I mute or solo in the UC mixer and whether or not the Pipeline plugin is visible on the screen. I've tried every possible combination and nothing works. I always end up with one of those three problems and it's maddening. ? The manual says the 1810c's Outputs are balanced but it just says 1/4" TRS for the Inputs. It doesn't clarify if they are balanced or if it means a single input jack can be stereo. For example if you want to use a 1/4" TRS to 1/4" TRS cable going from the headphone out on a keyboard to a single stereo input on the 1810c. It doesn't specify. I'm using my monitors balanced cables that are 1/4" TRS to XLR. Do you think the balanced cables going to the Input could be the problem causing some kind of feedback loop? Any help would be appreciated. Here's a very short video on how to set up any interface for routing external gear using Studio One. It's super simple. Thanks. ?

Oh, it was the first thing I noticed! I was feverishly working up a photoshopped pic but decided against it. Hah.

Does it have anything to do with Louie Louie?

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