Jim Fogle

The Tutorials forum section fulfills the functionality provided by the "Getting Started" name. @Noel Borthwick please replace the current "Getting Started" link with this one: https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/forum/35-tutorials/

Adding a sampler makes sense. An integrated sampler adds another common music production tool to the daw. Cakewalk by BandLab has the Matrix view to organize audio samples into a a song project. The Browser view has a player to audition audio samples. The base program has the capability to record audio. All the needed component parts to create a sampler are already in place. The parts just need to be organized or combined into a recognizable whole. Having an integrated solution usually is better than depending on an outside source.

The subject of the post kind of shifted from a request to add the capability to place a 64th or 128th note in staff view to Gibson's rebuke of Overture. I like the original idea of adding capability to the staff view. The forum recently had a BandLab sponsored poll asking for user feedback in setting future development priorities. Audio editing received the highest rating but MIDI editing was not far behind. Perhaps now is a good time to revisit this subject.

@Jeffrey Benson and @CosmicDolphin, Have either of you submitted a support request here? https://help.cakewalk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new Jeffrey you have a project actively exhibiting the issue. CosmicDolphin seems to also be able to easily induce the symptom. Your projects might provide support with the data needed to minimize the symptom or resolve the root issue. Chances are even though your symptoms are similar they may be caused by different underlying issues. Cakewalk by BandLab appears to place a high priority on resolving underlying root causes that create issues that have simmered long term. However, they need help both with identifying the symptoms and acquiring product that exhibit defined symptoms. Helping them helps all CbB users.

I had not thought of the question with reactions as you stated until you brought it up. Thanks for the follow up response! Your suggestion makes great sense in that respect.

And the resolution is . . . . .?

I thought that is what the "Rate this Topic" star system was for.

The discussion of the 144 different record configurations comes to mind. If that is not something that's in dire need of simplification, I'm not sure what is.

msmcleod, I agree there are some good tutorial videos out there. There are just so many and, for a beginner, how do they separate the good from the so-so? As you mentioned, there is only so much time. I don't know if YouTube has a way to boost search results but I suspect there is. It would be nice if the Bandlab and ChernobylStudios video series popped up at the top of any search list when the terms daw or recording are used. Base 57, I stand corrected about my examples. Thank you for pointing out my errors. Sometimes my zesl to make a point gets in the way of my thinking!

Bingo! The instructional YouTube videos created by Bandlab, ChernobylStudios and some other creators are great. But there are so many of them. Who has time to churn through all of them? The Cakewalk by Bandlab Reference Manual is wonderful but asking anyone to become familiar with 2,184 pages is a reach. I find the program to be very intimidating. Simple editing tasks like highlight, cut, copy, delete, paste and move that are intuitive and easy to perform in other programs like Audacity are not listed in the menu and do not follow keystroke combinations used in any other program that I know of. The Control Bar defaults enable too much stuff. I would love for the developers, a very knowledgeable user, or third party like Groove3 create templates with lenses that focus on performing specific tasks. Tasks I would like to see include: Installing an audio interface, installing a MIDI interface, using the built-in audio features on a laptop (microphone, headphones, USB mic, USB headphone). The next step is recording audio, recording MIDI and playback. Then there is importing files and creating projects. Next is editing, then adding effects, then using groove clips. In other words, baby steps. Don't assume anything. Use lenses and screensets to create demo project templates where the Control Bar and screens have only what is needed to perform each task displayed. There are a lot of people interested in creating music, recording and audio production that DO NOT KNOW how to get started. Cakewalk by Bandlab needs to be the Windows product everyone first thinks of when the subject of computer recording is brought up. The product is feature rich enough that it can grow as a user progresses.

Is it possible the difference is the older stuff was 32 bit and CbB is 64 bit? Does the FTP require a driver? Is it up to date?

The current suite of Studio Instruments is composed of drums, electric bass, electric piano and string section. I would like to see both electric and acoustic guitars added to the suite. I have multiple reasons for requesting the addition of guitars. The electric guitar is a popular instrument in many genres of western music including jazz, pop, rock and country. Acoustic guitar is popular in classical, folk, americana and country. While several free acoustic guitar VSTs exist including Spicy Guitar http://www.spicyguitar.com/ and DSK's Dynamic Guitars https://www.dskmusic.com/dsk-dynamic-guitars/ and Amplesound Martin Lite https://amplesound.net/en/download.asp some are only available as a 32 bit VSTi. I have not been able to find any free electric guitar VSTi. I use the TTS-1 and Studio Instruments a lot as I try to learn more about how to use MIDI. It would be very nice to have both nylon and steel string acoustics as well as several types of electric guitars to choose from. A strum pattern library and strum tempo automatically synced to the project tempo would be awesome.

Thank you for taking time to share this information with us. The screen shots help! Well done.

Everyone has a different workflow they are use to and approach tasks differently. As Chuck E. Baby states what works for one may not work for all. I couldn't envision where the capability to move tabs would be that useful. Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. If it helps your workflow, it's a good idea.

I'm sorry to read this. I arrived kind of late in the old forum but remember reading some of Space Cowboy's posts and replies. This thread shows the real reason forums remain popular. There can be a sense of family and singular community that grows over time. A forum has a purpose and focus not offered in many other social platforms. This community lost numerous familiar personalities in the transition from old to new platform. As was said in an earlier post it is sad to discover at least one former member is gone forever.

How would moving tabs benefit workflow or daw operation?

A sampler built-into CbB would be nice to have. Loops and samples are a large part of BandLab Technologues, just look at the BandLab Assistant tabs. BandLab is able to see what material they provide gets used, what don't get used and how the material is used in their online DAW and their apps. Everyone is commenting on Cakewalk by BandLab as though it is a standalone product because it presently is. But, if you look at the new features that have been added they are to help integrate CbB into the BandLab Technologies universe. I suspect Cakewalk by BandLab will add features important to the BandLab Technologies universe and as much as they are into loops a sampler makes sense.

Starship Krupa, I'm trying Zamzar as I write this. It is an online conversion tool. The link is https://www.zamzar.com/ for anyone else that wishes to give it a try. Well, the Zamzar conversion did not work out. This error message was displayed: That's two out of two failed conversions. Since the pdf file is copyrighted I suspect the problem is the file is DRM restricted. By the way, I am super impressed with the reference manual. I am so glad BandLab Technologies believed the time, effort and required resources was worthwhile .

Thanks for taking the time to respond. You bring up some valid points. Yes the HUI protocol is a proprietary communication protocol. Still, as a quote from the Wikipedia article linked above states, The article goes on to address the protocol's use in DAWs, I don't believe the degree of difficulty to complete a task should negatively weigh against a feature request. Difficult tasks just take longer to complete than easy tasks. If Cakewalk decides to implement the HUI protocol, getting hardware to test the software shouldn't be an insurmountable obstacle. BandLab Technologies does own a music store, https://www.sweelee.com/ and is a distributor for many music products. Other distributors such as Sweetwater and American Musical Supply (AMS) open product, use it for training or videos then sell it So can BandLab.

Starship Krupa, Excellent suggestion and thanks for think of it and sharing the idea in the forum. It's a great suggestion. I found several free, online conversion utility websites as well as free utility programs available for download using the search term, "pdf to epub convertor". One interesting website is https://www.online-convert.com/ They offer many different file conversion tools with both online and downloadable tools available for use. They also offer browser extensions. Here is the direct link to convert between pdf to epub: https://ebook.online-convert.com/convert-to-epub msmcloud, Unfortunately, the conversion did not go well. The conversions either stalled during the conversion process or presented an error code. I suspect there is either a problem handling a file that is so large or, since both the file and program are copyrighted, that the file is locked through digital rights management (DRM). If other users try to convert the file I hope they will report their success or failure as the feedback will help BandLab Technologies know how much interest there is in the file as well as having the file available in the EPUB format. I've experienced the issues you describe using e-readers to read reference manuals. For the most part you are correct but the issues just highlight the problem with relying on proprietary file formats instead of open standards. Only Kindle, Nook or Fire e-readers have native viewers built-in for each of those respective file formats. Generic e-readers use file conversion programs that are not as flexible and accurate as a native viewer. Plus you have the built-in limitation of looking at a file through a viewer with a gui scrren that includes the program controls and file content. EPUB eliminates all that overhead.

@Jesse Jost Why does the forum place a daily limit on the number of reactions I can have? I do not visit the forum daily choosing instead to visit the forum once or twice a week so a limit on the number of reactions I can place is easily reached.

The Cakewalk Reference has been a great resource to me so far. It's easy to tell that a lot of thought, attention to detail and work has gone into it. Great job @Morten Saether and all involved in compiling, editing, proofing and layout of the big book of Cakewalk by BandLab. One additional request BandLab: Please consider also publishing The Cakewalk by BandLab Reference Manual in the EPUB format. https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/epub3-cg/ EPUB is an e-book file format with the extension.epub that can be downloaded and read on devices like smartphones, tablets, computers, or e-readers. It is a technical standard published by the International Digital Publishing Forum. EPUB has been widely adopted as the format for digital books. The format's capabilities supports a wide range of publication requirements, including complex layouts, rich media and interactivity, and global typography features. From a reader's standpoint the format automatically resizes to automatically accommodate display screens of various types, resolutions and sizes. EPUB is a format designed primarily for viewing interactive content on a display and secondarily for the printed page.

I think it would be nice if the HUI MIDI Mapping Protocol ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HUI_MIDI_mapping_protocol ) was added to Cakewalk by BandLab. CbB already has ACT and WAI protocols for surface controllers as well as Studioware selections for many external devices. As described in " Understanding Audio: Getting the Most Out of Your Project or Professional Recording Studio by Daniel M. Thompson " Although the protocol was developed in 1997 It is used in new controllers such as the Novation: 61SL MkIII Keyboard Controller ( https://novationmusic.com/keys/sl-mkiii )

A Cakewalk Reference Manual pdf file was released March 29, 2019. This is a revised release of the Sonar Reference Manual. This manual is about 2186 pages which is about 500 pages less than the former Sonar Reference Manual. The manual is current as of the March 2019 update. Here is a link: https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/topic/2862-is-a-pdf-manual-or-offline-help-available/

Thank you for providing this pdf file to new Cakewalk by BandLab users. Wow! First look reaction. From a quick look there has been a lot of revisions and updates from the last edition of the Sonar Reference Manual. Congratulations to whoever has been working on the project. I am impressed.