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I didn't think anybody posted the elementary key to the joy yet

Ok so I went through all windows sound settings that I have found relevant (not being sure if the settings made in windows have any influences on how the gear is working in Cakewalk at all but apparently it has, at least in WASAPI mode) and checked/unchecked every possible setting that could make a sense to me. Rebooted Windows and Cakewalk and suddenly both devices appeared in the input drivers (although I could check both only in exclusive mode, in shared mode checking one of them automatically disabled the other-which is strange to me as I would expect it to work the other way). Now I'm not sure which exactly setting made it happen, but I'm thinking of two: one is that I've found that the Shure has separate settings for driver bit depth for playback and recording in (windows) shared mode and they was set differently ie. 16-bit for playback and 24-bit for recording, and secondly that I had input devices disabled in windows sound settings, so I enabled them. And now I have both devices recording and playing back simultaneously but I had to raise the latency way above 10ms. Anything below 500 samples is prone to cause dropouts. The other caveat is that to be able to record from Shure in WASAPI mode I had to go to microphone privacy settings in windows and set it to Allow to use microphone on this computer, which was not needed at all in WDM mode. And I don't like it but, well... Still don't know where/how do I check/set if my Shure MV5 is recording with 16 or 24-bit depth. Changes in windows settings seem to not make any difference. And in Cakewalk I can't find anything beside record bit depth in preferences>file>audio data but it doesn't make me sure that the Shure mic is actually working in 24-bit record mode. There is Audio driver bit depth setting in Driver Settings but I can set it only to 16-bit. Anyone could tell me what is the Audio driver bit depth setting exactly? One possibility is that it won't record in 24-bit at all because the ART driver is 16-bit only, idk.

Yes I tried both, shared and exclusive modes but there is just 'none' in the Input Drivers in Cakewalk preferences. If I could know what cause that, because both appear in the inputs in WDM/KS mode and actually work but giving me corrupted audio playback from whichever I set as the non-record/playback timing master, the other then plays fine. There might be some conflict at the driver level. That's no problem, our takes will be handled manually later anyway.

@msmcleod Thanks Mark, the usb mic is actually belonging to my friend, I ordered it for him so he could record his vocal and guitar on the phone at home. Works a breeze for that. But I'm allowed to use it for a while. I could live with that but the problem is that if I set ART as the timing master I'm getting corrupted audio from Shure, and if I set Shure as the master I'm getting corrupted audio from ART. The corrupted audio sounds like it's chopped in slices and out of sync with many dropouts. If I could iron that out I'd be at home but have no idea where to look further in settings. Also, as them being WDM drivers now, do Windows sound settings have any influence on how they work in Cakewalk? Or are the settings solely on Cakewalk's side? Another question, how do I recognize if Shure is working in 16-bit or 24-bit mode, in Cakewalk? I can only see settings for record bit depth. Is there a way to set that in Cakewalk the way I like? The last thing I'd like to do is to install anything in addition like Asio4All or AsioLink. The system is clean now and I'd wish to keep it that way and avoid installing any unnecessary stuff that might puzzle it. indeed, sounds very close to SM58 here but less sibilant and a bit more detailed because it's condensed, but it's definitely got that Shure signature sound

Hi John, thanks for stopping by. I see what you say, there's nothing to disagree. To make a good recording I need a good interface with good preamps and drivers etc. Well I have one on my list but I need time before I can invest in it, it's not gonna happen now. But it's not like I'm not doing anything in that regard. As you may not remember, we had already a 'discussion' in the past regarding upgrading my old 32-bit laptop and desktop for a new 64-bit ones, about a year or two ago, when I asked for some advice and mentioned I'm still in 32-bit. Now I finally made it into 64-bit so yes, there is some progress it just takes time. I'll take a chance on a good audio interface when the right time come but for now I need some advice with what I have. The thing is, the ART tube preamp I have is already a really nice piece of hardware and sounds very good, definitely better than what my basic needs are right now. Even if I would change it to one from say Focusrite or Steinberg, I don't see much how it could upgrade the audio quality really, it just sounds very good as is. And as I said above, I'm using Ploytec ASIO driver which turns it into an excellent ASIO interface. Driver-wise it's brilliant, very stable, really low latency, cpu efficient, can you say the same about your Focusrite or whatever interface you got there? Really hard to say what to ask for as an upgrade, maybe investing in one of the RME boxes but that's alot money and yes, in the future I may do it but don't have the need nor money for the time being. Anyway, on it's own the ART+ploytec combo works excellent and I'm very happy with it. It just gives me the job done good and no problems whatsoever. Also the USB mic Shure MV5 is a little brilliant idea in a small piece of gear. It sounds great as is really joy to work with. So yes, on it's own it's great and works flawlessly. The only problem I have is if it's possible to make those two devices, the ART interface and the Shure usb-mic, work together in Cakewalk simultaneously. If anyone have any experience in working with similar combo - an ASIO interface+USB mic (with built-in headphone output) - or have some idea about any settings I could use to make them work both at once. After decades working with MIDI I'm slowly stepping into audio territory so I may be missing a lot of knowledge on how to setup Cakewalk for some specific audio job. Hopefully someone step in and shine some light. And hey, I just finished recording a couple songs with my 12 years old son in my bedroom, literally, using Sony NC31E plugs and tracking onto my phone Sony Xperia. Yes, the noise cancelling little plugs that came with my phone, no dedicated mic, no audio interface, no pc. The studio I got the order for those songs was very happy with the results. The songs themselves are going to be featured in some youtube kids channel. Man, was it great experience. The Shure MV5 will be an improvement, mainly in that it sounds less sibilant so the audio engineer will have less work with our audio takes. ?

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I can't believe I missed this giveaway !!!! ????

I have USB interface from ART (dual tube pre) that uses class compliant driver but I'm using the audio driver from Ploytec to convert it into high quality ASIO driver. Works excellent. I've bought an USB mic Shure MV5 it's class compliant too and it's 24bit (and 16bit, the ART is 16bit only), it also has it's own headphone output. I'm trying to connect both so I can either record simultaneously from two devices or playback audio through both at the same time, but it's not working. Since ASIO mode allows only for single device I had to switch to WDM because only in WDM mode I could see both devices in input drivers, in WASABI mode there was nothing in the inputs at all. Now, if I try to play some audio through both devices, I can get fine output only from one of them, the one that I put as the timing master, the other one is giving me corrupted audio. Is there a way to make them both work simultaneously or am I asking for too much?

And now you have to donate some charity.

Got the confirmation.. can't process the live input in Elements, only in Wavelab Pro. Thanks guys for your input.

OK I've got the answer, well partially. Had to create an account on the Steiberg forum. They have pointed me to where is the live input in wavelab. But I can't find it in my version and just realize I have the Elements. That might be the problem. Still waiting for a confirmation there, or here maybe...

Might be some additional buffers get involved for higher efficiency. This is what I'm trying to figure out but can't run a synth in Wavelab so the only way would be to pass audio through an effect. Let me try harder .

Is there a way to send live input through a plugin in realtime in Wavelab? What would be the settings? I can make it to hear the live input but cannot send it to process through a plugin in realtime. Wondering if that's ever possible. I know it's a Cakewalk forum but it's regarding testing both engines with a plugin. Hope someone chime in. Thx

You mean subscription...? (Off to buy bigger SSD disks!)

Waiting for him be knocking on the door...

Guys you better check this out, some biggies like dynamic waveform scaling and offline activation to name a few ?

Ah house, thanks Fleer. Too bad I missed it.

What was the first one that I have also missed?

The announcement should sound like a god sent so why I'm feeling like I'm scammed? Oh yes maybe because they want me to pay not for something like plugin created with efforts and invention but for something I should have got from them a long time ago and for no extra cost?

They do this "Follow on Soundcloud" thing which I can never pass through because I don't have soundcloud account.

That's exactly what I was doing for years starting with version 3 of Cakewalk professional (for windows 3.1) that one particularly was very reliable in handling MIDI.

Is that regarding the free version as well, Zinc?

Missed the first one too.

analog media...? ?

Thanks