Amberwolf

 The only way I know to do this with most synths is to use at least two separate instances of a synth, driven by separate MIDI tracks (for ease of editing, vs a single track with clips for each synth assigned to different channels, or different notes assigned to different channels to feed each synth), 

I don't know an easy way to automate the process of splitting the track into separate alternating notes and keep the bends with the right notes.  I've always just drawn or played the stuff into separate ones to start with, so haven't had to worry about spending time splitting them up...the only way I know to do it is to make two copies, and start deleting alternating notes and bends out of each track.

It might make it easier to deal with the bends if you use the convert-midi-to-shapes feature and then just delete specific nodes as required, as long as the conversion accurately reproduces the bends you need. 

EDIT: there are cal routines around to split alternate notes to separate tracks or clips, but I don't recall that any of htem can move the bends with them. 

Which menu, in which program?  (you'd have to change any antivirus options in the antivirus program itself)

What if you take the actual audio files that were recorded and compare them directly?  Not exporting, which creates new, different files, but the files in the audio folder for each program and project. 

That would eliminate processing during export. 

Beyond that, maybe someone that knows both programs, could compare all the specific settings you've chosen in each place there are any audio settings in each program, to tell you if there is any difference between them. 

I don't have a specific answer, but some questions, thoughts:

What exactly does "same settings" mean (specifics), in each program?

Are all the same options chosen for dithering? 

Same driver mode? 

Bit depth?  Sample rate?  latency?

If you record a clip in one program, then go to your audio folder, and drag that clip into the other program, or a separate simple wave file player (like windows media player, MplayerC,  etc), does it sound the same?

If you record a clip in each program, then go to your audio folder, and drag both into something like Audacity that has a spectrum view, do the two clips look the same?  

Exactly what export options are you using? 

Do they have one for clef palates, too?  

3 hours ago, Notes_Norton said:

Some ugly people can make great music, too.

Well, I don't know if you'd really call me *ugly*....

If we're going there, I'm gonna have to be dissapointed about Priss and the Replicants.   

Not that the music was great, but their offstage work was explosive.

05-03-25:  042425 000001 300140F -- timing, mix, sound, vocal, etc changes to funky section. 

https://amberwolf.bandcamp.com/track/behind-you-lie-many-unseen

4 hours ago, T Boog said:

Cheers Wolf.  I'm not sure exactly how the legalities work with that stuff. All I know is, until I see you on the cover of Guitar World magazine taking  credit for someone else's playing, I personally have no beef with you.  😁

Well, I'm safe...I'll never be on the cover of anything. :lol: 

If it's not in your account's list of software you've bought, with their serial numbers, etc, over here:

https://legacy.cakewalk.com/My-Account/Products

you'd need to contact bandlab/cakewalk support directly. 

Which specific driver are you using for it, and which OS are you using?

Which other drivers, especially anything labelled ASIO, are you using?

Which other programs are running (including background programs that just sit as an icon in the clock tray)?

If yours is a "modern" version of the M-audio devices (instead of the original manufacturer that has been gone more than a decade ago), you might find modern drivers for it here

https://www.m-audio.com/support/downloads

I use an ancient Avid version of the M-audio Fast Track Duo, and it works fine on Win10 with driver version 1.0.4.  The page on Avid's site for it appears to be missing ATM, so I can't link the driver I'm using.

 https://avidtech.my.salesforce-sites.com/pkb/articles/en_US/download/fast-track-duo-drivers

I used to use an even older M-Audio version of it (that still had the MIDI port the Avid doesn't), and used this driver for it

https://avidtech.my.salesforce-sites.com/pkb/articles/en_US/Knowledge/Fast-Track-Pro-Drivers

http://cdn.avid.com/AudioDrivers/Win/Fast_Track_Pro_Drivers/Install_M-Audio_Fast_Track_Pro_6.1.11.zip

2 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

Anyway, apologies, the video's topic isn't about credited guest performances, it's about what is "authentic." If there are people on YouTube faking performances and selling them as being done live in real time to show what awesome players they are, that's lame as hell. People who do it should be called out.

I guess it's different when people like me are using bits**** other people played and sold to be used in other people's music (though I find it weird that most of the stuff says in it's license specifically to *not* credit them, that it is not allowed...so the best I can do is to name the company providing the bundle and the name of the bundle (unless that's also prohibited)). 

I'm sure there are those that don't even do that much to give credit elsewhere.

****I may significantly alter what's provided, and I certainly don't use it the way they probably intended, or with any of the other bits meant to go with it....but I didn't "play' it in, even if I did so much to it that it isn't the same bit of musical playing or singing anymore.  Most of my recent months' tracks are done with a lot of that; the most recent two are just about exclusively that. 

Which specific ASIO driver are you using?

What other ASIO drivers are installed on the system, even if not in use or disabled?

Back to the creation and story....

It's wierd how some things work out, timing-wise.  When i added the funky bassline (the MalcomX clip out of the BasementFreaks Funk stuff), then to experiment with it I reprised the previous section by selecting eveyrhting in that section except it's bassline, and then ctrl-dragging it over to start with this bassline.  I hit play, and it almost sounded right, but the strings were "wierd" so I turned them up to hear them and then they were "right" and are the way you hear them now.    (too bad they dont' sound at all that way in the other section I built them for; it's kinda neat how they work with this one). 

Then I started deleting notes out of the bassline (cutting and muting sections of the clip), to make room for the strings and other stuff to come thru, and then pitchshifting some of the bassline notes to match or contrast what I heard in the rest of it (just using the Alt+/Alt- keys till it sounded right, mostly one or two up or down), and a couple places copied one of the bass notes over to accent a now empty space, etc.  

Muted almost all the chant vocals as they didn't fit this bassline, and some of the spoken Elvish. 

Still tweaking things and fixing the interface between the previous section and this one; will upload a new version once that's worked out. 

Something wierd broken in this project file: 

Went to continue editing the funky section and despite being perfectly normal when last saved, it opened like this (bassline track instead of drums this time).  I selected (black) the clips with the problem to highlight them; it's obviously impossible to have a clip fade in extend beyond the *end* of the clip, but every one of them does.  You can see that the unselected clips don't have the problem.  None of them had any fades when last saved.   I zoomed out to show the problem better, so there's two screenshots to show two of the problem sections.  There *are* fades, in or out, still visibly correct, on other clips, that are supposed to be there...but none of the broken ones had fades. 

The fades all "work", including the broken ones--so any clip taht's got one extended as far as the short ones do doesn't even make sound. 

To fix them, I have to select all the broken ones, then select an unbroken one that's earlier in time than any of them, grab it's fade, and move it--even a teensy amount, even starting a fade and then moving it back to the start edge of the clip so it's not active, undoes alll the broken fades.  But it is a PITA to have to look for this problem and fix it all the time.   

 I have yet to find a pattern to why it might happen--there's nothing in common with the times it happens that I've found so far, other than that when it does happen it is usually a bunch of clips in the same track, and that bouncing the clips to new ones is the only way to fix it so it doesn't happen every time I open the file (even fixing it and resaving as a new file does not fix those clips; they come up broken again the same way every time I reopen it). 

05-03-25:  042425 000001 300113A -- Extended: The elven get funky after they rock out.    

Added a new section that reprises the former last section, but funky bassline and some trumpet accents.  

Are you talking about sustain pedal CC64 events?   Or something else?

I've only ever had keyboards that could output 0-127 for those, so I don't know what the 255 values would be for. 

I don't watch much...mostly I leave assorted science type videos streaming in the background as I do things that don't require my full complete attention (pretty much only music creation/editing does that, aside from the dog...  ). 

Mostly that's because I am always exhausted, never get enough sleep (too many nightmares), so I wake/doze/wake all the time when I'm not at my dayjob (I try not to do that there or on the way to/from  ), and I can't really concentrate on any one specific thing very well, so I let my brain learn multiple things while it's melting anyway.  

When i cannot even do that, but can't sleep, I'll stream assorted scifi shows, mostly ones that are long-running and that I know well enough that I can doze to them without being wakened or having my brain activated by new things.  

But I originally learned to like some of the shows when I didn't have such a big problem with the sleps and bad dreams....  Some things I like because they don't take themselves completely seriously all the time, but they do some thought provoking stuff, or at least have characters / ideas I like: Firefly, Dollhouse, Stargate's various incarnations, the various Star Treks, Doctor Who, the various Outer Limits, the original Twilight Zone (maybe some of the later version); Altered Carbon, and a bunch of ohters ATM I don't recall all the ones I've liked at least some of. 

I really prefer to read than watch, because then it's all in my imagination (which is very very good at visualizing / realizing things whether I want it to or not), but haven't been able to do much of that for some years now; requires more concentration than I have most of the time (i spend that concentration on places like this, trying to help out where I can while I still can; all this crap in my head has to be good for *something*).   Dunno what authors are around nowadays, I'm not even sure that most of the ones I know are still alive much less writing. 😊 

TenCrazy MFX includes CCMap that will convert one CC to another in realtime or offline, and can also choose the range of numbers it responds to, and you can even use it to flip the whole range on it's head. 

Pretty sure one of Viramor's MFX can do this kind of thing, too, but I don't remember which one. (his thread has info on all of them and a link to his site with them). 

There are others I don't recall the names of. 

6 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

Black Mirror. An excellent show that while it has done well, would have taken over the world had it not been for its unfortunate first episode, which probably cut its potential audience by about 50% due to people watching it and deciding that the show was not for them.

I made it partway in to that episode, and did indeed leave and not come back to the show, as nothing about what I saw was watchable to me.   If the rest of the series is not like that one, I'll give it a shot with ep2. 

I doubt this is it, but if you have any plugins or synths / etc with open floating windows, even if they were minimized, perhaps they are interfering.   If you do have some, try closing them before minimizing SONAR and retest.  

Does the computer do everything else you want?  

Are you looking for something other than the silence SSD drives provide?  

Some effects, like the Lexicon (somethingorothermodel) I've got in the rack, have a footswitch input that can be used directly with a pedal like a sustain pedal.  On mine it's a TRS plug, and supports two switches for controlling different things (it comes with a dual switch), but a single switch like a sustain pedal can be used. 

Some effects, like the Digitech (somethingorothermodel) a friend of mine used to use for onstage effects, had a footswitch input *and* a "CV" input, which is for a pedal that has a potentiometer in it that allows variable control of something.  On most keyboards that's volume by default, but is often programmable in the keybaord (or sound module) for different things; same for effects boxes that support CV (expression) pedals.  

Random article from google search on "CV pedal"

https://www.perfectcircuit.com/signal/expression-pedal-cv

3 hours ago, User 905133 said:

Hexadecimal can be quite scary. And playing around with it too much can make someone go blind.  🤪

I prefer to play with my deweydecimals.    

Way less math, lots more words.....