John Vere

@PhonoBrainer Thanks for your very detailed evaluation and recommendations. I agree. This why it takes me 2 days to finish a song but 3 months to proof and fine tune!

Yes that’s the update. 22H2. We hopefully that’s good for a year at least.

A very kind forum member sent me the installer. But it crashed Cakewalk. It even crashed Movie studio later. I think it’s just too old for W11. etc. I have 50 more I can use?

What's frustrating is this Computer is only a week old and you would figure a major update would have taken place during the set up. It's like it waited until I was up and running and did this. I had been manually running the updates every morning just for these reasons and experience with new builds from the past. It takes a few days for everything to be happy.

Thanks everyone this is what I love about this song forum,, the more ears the better. I'm actually tempted to just redo the vocals and use my Beta 58 like I used to. I just started using the SM7B and I think Ed was right it's sort of muddy. I've had a sort of a cough / cold too and I'm over it. And I ran out of Scotch! The drums are a new attempt at re introducing more audio and less midi. Its a Ludwig Vistolite snare, I'll try some compression and EQ.

Ripple edit. On Ctrl A select all. Snap to grid on Move project. Ripple edit off

Navigating the world of free plug ins is fraught with traps and boogie men. I have found Plug ins 4 free pretty safe.

Was that a major update that just happened? I’m really pizzd. Now I’m finding things I installed are gone!!!

This! You need to input midi using a keyboard controller or draw the notes in the PRV or the step sequencer. The SI drum patterns can be dragged and dropped onto its track.

Ok let’s use troubleshooting 101. Process of elimination. Open a blank project and play the metronome does it come out of both speakers? This rules out a hardware issue. Bad cables etc. Open the project with the issue and mute everything but the metronome bus. is it coming out both speakers here? Play and solo the offending guitar track and change its output to go directly to the hardware output 1/2. Double check the pan and interleave are set correctly. Turn off all effects bypass the bin and pro channel Turndown any effect sends and Aux track sends If needed Now change output to the master and then to change output to the Guitar bus. This will uncover at which point in the signal path the problem exists. I would definitely look at effect plug ins.

Where are you getting it from? Try from here that’s where I got it https://plugins4free.com/plugin/245/

I just switched to W11 with building my new computer. Lots of options for optimizing are hidden in different places now so took few day to sort that out. Then just when everything is nice and back to normal a Windows Update trashed dozens of settings I had gone to great trouble to make. Not only that it deleted every signal shortcut I had created in Windows for things like folders and the different hard drives. Gone. Even the Main computer icon was gone?? my audio settings got changed back to the Realtek which I had disabled. I haven’t had this kind of thing happen in a long long time. This is just like when W10 first came out all over again. This is W11 pro which I paid extra for because I was told you can customize it.

Interesting as this is my first song with the Zoom L8. I always hi pass at about 160hz on vocals. And let’s face it, I can’t sing like I used to! I never am happy with vocals these days, Melodyne can’t fix everything!!

Good to hear you found some. Ya you can keep computers going forever if you handy with swapping out parts. We have a small computer repair shop here and I often go mooching for parts. He’s got a back room full of old toss outs. I just built my pine box computer and it cost around $1,600. I figure it will last me over 10 years and I’ll be in my 80’s. That’s $13 a month if you break it down.

Agreed that it’s totally off the map for serious DAW users but what about just as a tool? Like you don’t really need a Wave Editor but then they are a handy tool to use sometimes.

I think it’s worth the effort because the song is otherwise perfect. Just that one tiny flaw. Another idea I would be inclined to try would be to not end abruptly but sustained so that there is no silence. Like just one guitar chord. Or a quiet voice counting 2-3-4

Just a bump as I totally redid a lot of parts.

Overall one of the best listens I had all week and I’m listening to not just this stuff but everything. Yes that dang pause. You do realize you could experiment with the timing of it buy taking this master and put it a fresh new project and with ripple edit on removing a tiny bit of the silence. Just hit undo and keep experimenting with different amounts until you like it. I have a feeling if it was an amount equal to the timing of the first part as a 1/4 note? Right now it just seems a bit to long and is not really musical so to speak. Otherwise ignore me because everything else is 1st class.

Great job as always. There are a lot of great Beatles songs that never were the big hit. We cover The Things we Said Today. People sort of remember it. I chose to play bass on it cause it’s the way to sing like Paul.

Yep 32 or 64 is now common on new builds. It’s not expensive. But a computer that old you might have trouble finding those sizes in the format that fits the MoBo. I could no longer find a video card for a 2010 HP desktop. If you can find it cheap enough it might help but I find adding SSD drives a better performance boost for old machines and they are now dirt cheap.

Seems pretty quiet here when it comes to people giving Next a test drive. I know you are supposed to do that on Discord but it is sort of worse than FB. So how many have tried it and what do you think? I played with it all day and I think I can find some redeeming qualities lurking there. First it’s hard to get lost in a 1 room apartment with out any views. And not much furniture to trip over. It’s biggest asset is the track separation tool that I tested and it actually works. I took one of my original songs and it created Bass, Drums, Other instruments and vocals. Not perfect but this will work fine to convert cover songs into bass and drum tracks via midi conversion. A feature yet to be available is the CXF or Cakewalk Exchange File. This will open up a whole new world of sharing projects with Mac users. Next has the Export CXF feature already but the ability to open it will be forthcoming with Sonar. In my case my partner only has a Mac and using a DAW of any sort is not his thing. But even an 8 year old kid can use Next and it will run on his beloved Mac. I’ll be able to show him what to do and he can record his parts at home.

I want it. They make it look easy?

It’s not clear what you are referring to. Is it the orange cakewalk CWP icon? If so first place I’d look is the recycle bin. You can use windows search too .

@Daniel Crothers This sounds like what is often wrongly called midi latency. You press a key on your controller and there’s a noticeable delay. Midi systems can and do have some latency but it’s usually down in the 1-2 ms range. The delay is actually in your audio system and almost always goes away if you simply by pass all effects in the control bar. It is most often caused by mastering type effects that use look ahead buffers. Otherwise you have other issues creating latency like too high a buffer setting or a lousy audio drivers being used.

I've had to avoid using Guitar Sims in real time because my Motu M4 would stutter at any setting below 256 even on a fresh project. My new Zoom L8 can easily do 64 now. I've always used 256 but I think I could now safely go with 128 as a working setting because of the new computer. Running Cakewalk generally seems no different but I made a video yesterday to see and it was mind blowing editing and rendering. On old machine if I didn't save every 3rd edit Movie Maker ( Vegas) Plat 17 would freeze. The preview was always real slow to refresh and you couldn't preview things like transitions. And rendering ( export) would be 10 plus minutes for a 3 minute video. Yesterday I worked for hours and only saved randomly no freezing, The preview was perfect, and export of a 3 minute video took exactly 80 seconds, I timed it. This is probably mostly because I now have a real Video card. I'm sure it will be a good thing to have with the new Graphics in Sonar.