John Vere

This was my inspiration for my thread title. It’s a quiet release. As a matter of fact it was @Terry Kelley who stumbled on it somehow as it’s very fine print on the web page. It was a fluke he probably even saw it. I guess the big announcement will come when pricing and setting up the marketing is finalized.

@User 905133 My very first reverb was that. If I open any of my original Midi files from the 80’s they all have Ch 13 pG ? At the start. I later got a Digitech delay unit. I used my GR50 and first an MT 32 and then the Korg 05R/w Then I needed Roland A88?? Midi patch bay to connect it all. It all weighed probably over 100lbs. My current rig fits in a medium size flight case and is under 20 lbs. Including all cables, mikes, capo and a flask of Scotch. Not to mention it sounds 100x better.

OK that was a 10 second task. I simply scanned C/Cakewalk Content "Korg" It shows for Splat, Home Studio, CbB and Sonar ( new) I was my onw stupidity of not remembering how to find it from preferences. For some reason that link takes you to the wrong place. You have to know where to browse to to find the files. Here's the list with the 05R/w on it. Then you connect the dots And now my Motu can remotely access all 5 banks of patches. ( 450 total ??) I see If I can now help the other guy.

Thanks everyone. Originally it was a simple matter of following links from the Preferences. It’s a pretty common set up. I have a bunch of old Sonar installers so I’ll try that. Then it might still have it somewhere as I am in the habit of saving my download folder before I emptied it to my back up drives so there’s a chance I can scan those for it too. I remember it was while making a tutorial about using hardware that I included how to find them. They were on the Cakewalk servers then. The person in the QA forum is using an Alesis module same vintage.

Thanks Glen I meant to thank you for the links to those sound fonts you posted in my tread a week ago. For the life of me I couldn’t get anything to do with sound fonts to work unless it was already part of the player. I always wrote sound fonts off as being something of low quality wrongly judging them on my Sound Blaster days.

Someone asked in the QA sub forum about this. I used to have instrument definition set up for my Korg 05R/W but I never transferred that over from my old computer which the OS drive is now long gone. Anyhow all the posted links on the internet point to using what was a Download on what must have been the server removed last fall. All links from old forum postings and even from within Cakewalk preferences are dead ends. I even found a Korg user group posting which was another dead 404 link. There’s mostly results that are old Forum postings. One was KVR etc. Anyone have a source that is still available? Thanks

Your video is a dead link. Midi input is per project not part of templates really. One little change in your system and a midi input will be lost. When you save projects with say a midi controller all set up to input to all your tracks, you have to make sure that controller is plugged and using the exact USB port and ready to go before you open Cakewalk and that project. Otherwise all input setting will revert to Omni. I figured this out when I set up to use my Keyboard live and I made a project I could play the VST instruments with.

OK I guess I will have to read the manual. I now see that this was also always part of Cakewalks preferences. I didn't notice the slider either. Jeeze. When do we ever stop finding hidden gems like that! I always found the colours a little too loud and after all these years I could have quieted them down. This one little thing makes a huge difference for me. Now the tracks are easier to define. Thank you to all those of you who are much smarter than me for mentioning this. This actually makes a big difference to the way Sonar looks now. Hey! Another revelation, I finally figured out how to make images smaller,, its a left click, not right. I'm on a roll! And I now see that the spectrograph hasn't changed and that the only difference is you can now disable it. In CbB that menu is not available.

You need to remove both of those from your system, They are what is known as an invasive drivers and they will cause issues like this. No doubt even if you deselect it you will find it listed in the latency settings in Sync and Caching tab. Its bad news. Remove it in the Reg Edit app as shown below. Just choose delete. You only want your Motu or any other proper audio interfaces, see my ZoomL8 too, listed here. These drivers are installed with other software as alternatives to on board audio and are not needed even by that software. The realtek ASIO driver is totally not recommended by Cakewalk staff. Windows now uses WASAPI mode. If you follow my set up in this video you can use the Motu for everything and even multiple music apps can be used at the same time. https://youtu.be/opDwsC4_llg

There's no such thing as a free lunch-

Sorry you didn't get a reply yet. Not many old time Hardware user left around here and people are being distracted by the release of Sonar. To answer your question I opened cakewalk and was expecting to find my instrument definition file for my Korg 05R/W which is same vintage as your Alesis. It wasn't listed and the link took me knowhere. I asked in another thread and that triggered me doing a search of C drive Cakewalk Content where I found the file. I see your Alesis is on the list too but only as the QS8. So I'm not sure you managed to get to this point but I'll post it anyhow for future reference of others. The INS files are found in C/Cakewalk Content/Instruments. In preferences you click on the Define to see the list and if your instrument isn't there you use Import and browse to above location where you will find most common Hardware midi devices listed. You load that and in the case of most brands it will list all of the products. You then choose your model Then you connect it to the port you are using. And now the correct patches and banks will be available to a midi track that you select the same midi port as the output.

Track templates do not save data from the tracks. It is the whole point of templates. This is universal to all software.

I agree. In away the only excuse they have is that it was free software so we never owned it to begin with, so therefore you cannot keep it. I'm still using Movie Studio 17 even though it's full of bugs. I bought the upgrade to 2023 and they had changed it beyond function for me. I already bought ( actually renting) Sonar but I'll admit I ended up finishing my work yesterday in Cakewalk. It was actually due to the fact that I haven't associated files with Sonar yet. I accidentally opened the song I had been working on from explorer and Cakewalk opened. Oops, there's was no warning about opening in an old version so I happily carried on. Now working more efficiently by not making all the click errors I had been making in Sonar Returning to even Sonar Platinum is not a viable option. That hurts! Selling CbB outright as is would make a lot of people happy. What do they have to lose? And I'm sure just like the transition from 8.5 to the X series the hold outs would eventually cross over once the new version was to their liking. That's a more user friendly transition than what we are facing now. We all hated the skylight interface too if you remember. I stayed with 8.5 up until X3. Now we are basically saying we want to keep it. They could add a button in the Cakewalk Product manager- " Unlock Cakewalk " which takes you to the store where you purchase it. I would do this for sure even if I also keep Sonar. Win Win. They would actually create extra income if you think about it. Example as I said I'd be willing to own both! And it could happen the day Sonar is officially released. As it is, after that day Cakewalk users will be waking up each day wondering if CbB will still be activated. That sucks. OK Bandlab are you listening-- I'm waving money at you! Do you want it?

You mean I'm going to have to read the manual!! how absurd!

OK, It seems a little glitchy. I first clicked on the fly out and ya, no spectrum. I closed it and opened it again and it was there. I tried a few tracks and they all sort of were random on if the spectrum was there. Anyhow, where is the new one? I don't see anything ( not that anything is that visible now) Another thing I just noticed is Mix recall is either disabled or broken. You save a new scene and it's not on the recall list. Save again and it says scene 2 and it's not showing either. And once again I don't no how many times I chose Solo instead of record today. That is super annoying. Please bring back the red dot. And with these narrow dividers I keep focusing the wrong track. I'm not giving up yet but it's hard to get excited about this new look. And I also notice the console view all my strips are the same colour now. That's also a regresion. So I hope it becomes a priority to see if we can return to customizing the colours.

Like I said somewhere around here. It’s 2017 all over again! It is very entertaining!! Note: Sorry folks if you are having issues with CbB please be patient as the team of helpful people are pre occupied at the moment. Your problems are important to us but you will be put on hold for a few months until we’re finished transitioning to Sonar. Thank you. Beep.

Exactly. This is a mystery to me that people are talking about a spectrum analyzer being new??

Thanks @Jim Fogle That’s for sure. Seems only Cubase and Studio One are one the same page. It’s most certainly a different fan club when it comes to GM midi , backing tracks and Band in a box type software.

That surprises me that all of a sudden 500 series are popular. They’ve been around for a long time. I will make a guess that you’ve been sneaking around in Gearspace which is very dangerous! ? Ya I just took about $3,000 worth of analog hardware to our new music store. The owner is super into collecting old gear and his store is now full of very interesting stuff on commission. I think he’s smart. New stuff is easy to purchase on line, but older stuff still sells and he’s got a good thing happening already. He also sells vinyl records and takes them on consignment too. My stuff I has been collecting dust for a long time now. I still had all the original boxes an user manuals. So in a way my hardware is in the box!

Ya don’t blame you there. But I did offer the videos which would answer the initial questions but not sure the op watched them because they started another thread.

Did you look in the controller pane of the PRV? The event list is sort of limited in usefulness. As David said the track inspector settings override any other data. By default if you don’t touch them then they are set to None and don’t have any bearing but the minute you move anything it seems this is stored in the file. But these changes don’t show as events anywhere.

I just am putting vocals to a new original song that was 100% inspired by typing a chord progressions into Jjazzlab and trying different styles. I found one called Happy Reggae. Perfect. The process forced me to learn about how to use the software. But I got far enough in a few hours to be happy with the results and then I exported as midi. I opened it in the New Sonar. The song sounded flat and boring due to TTS-1. It was the drums. I exported the drum track as audio from Jjazz. I Inserted Addictive drums and worked out the missing parts of the important percussion fills that made the drums interesting. I guess the midi wasn’t 100% GM. The bass line was too repetitive so I recorded real bass and converted to midi. I replaced all the other midi tracks with proper VST instruments and deleted TTS-1 I added a couple more tracks and overall it’s sounds excellent. the drums are one of the best drum tracks I’ve ( should say AI've) ever come up with. But this is what made me realize that if Sonar included FluidSynth a lot of folks would see there’s better sound quality available and loosing the TTS-1 was timely and a positive thing. And I imagine that it isn’t actually FluidSynth that is why it sounds good, I think it’s really a matter of choosing good quality SF2 files. And it’s fairly new to the game. All of the players I found in my research a few weeks ago were rooted in the very early days of sound font Tech. So it might be much better up to date code.

Instead of typing out pages of instructions the op was offered my tutorials and obviously didn’t watch them. They clearly explain how midi and Cakewalk work.

In a normal set up for plug ins you should only have 3 or 4 pathways. Cakewalk seems to automatically add the first 3 I then only need to add the Steinberg VST folder which a lot of plug ins will create. If there’s a Program (x86) pathway I remove it. That keeps old 32 bit plug is out of sight. So always pay attention as you install new plug ins and direct them to either the VST folder or the steinberg VST folder. I never direct them to Cakewalks folder. If you do then other DAWs might not find them. VST3 have just the one common folder.