MusicMan

I had a look around for an upgrade as well and there was nothing showing for me either to upgrade the bundle. Will be interesting to hear what they say.

I had wondered whether they may send a list to PA once successfully converted and then it deactivated or something. I did like seeing your earlier comment about serial too. I would be interested to hear how many seats it offers. It's not sounding like too bad a thing really and if anything it's likely to mean faster updates than with PA ?

Agreed, it does seem a little funny, especially this bundle compared to 2022 which just had so much in it! ? I do get a little sale fatigued from them, but otherwise I'm the same, I wish them well too ? They could've easily charged more for their plugins (when on sale) given the quality compared to many of the competitors, so they won some points from me there and licensing and number of seats is one of the better ones, plus regular freebies. It's a pretty competitive industry these days, so it's gotta be a tough gig for them to keep coming up with ideas to drive profits.. I have plenty of plugins and instruments from them, so I have no interest in this deal and no need to have the latest plugins as soon as they release them, so I'll definitely be sitting this one out.

Definitely on the hungry/desperate for sales! But I'm not so sure about any collapse. PA doesn't just have to justify their sales to themselves, now they have to compete and hold their own against Native Instruments and iZotope, both of which are very well known and established, so there will be a push to make as much money as possible. On top of that, a lot of companies will look at testing different sales option, from subscriptions, bundles, various sales (BOGOF, x% Off, Spend $x get y%, buy x number of items, get y% off, etc), so them having a shot at selling bundles was probably predictable at some stage. I think they've only done bundles before on subscription. It's not uncommon for companies to try each option and see in real life results what works and whether to adopt it and it could be just that. Personally I was never going to subscribe and they will have realized there were a lot of people like that, so this could just be a push at generating more sales from people like me. Of course it could also be a collapse as well! But to me it just feels like testing the market

I was considering transferring over right away, but after reading about the new licenses I think I'll hang back for a little bit and see how it goes for those first groups of users and listen for any feedback. I don't necessarily think there's anything nefarious, or bad, I think they are just looking at not being exclusive to PA, so having their own licensing makes sense as they can sell through PiB, etc too.

I wonder if the same will apply to their other products from PA as well.

I've had some fun with this one too and you can actually get some OK sounds from it. I can't recall what the presets were like, but for synth-bass the tone isn't too bad I am glad they released a separate installer though. I had to keep the VST2 versions of everything else installed just to be able to have it on my system. Just did the update of my Kilohearts, removed VST2 as an option and happy days

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Yep, that's what I did too. But I don't think they will ever show online under your account, which does bug me a little. The online account, or even the IKPM is a handy way of seeing what you own, so with them not present in there, it's hard to get an accurate view (or remember!) what you have..

Did you check from within Amplitube and do restore purchases Simon, or just check your products listed in your online account? For some reason heaps of these ones don't show online, but do inside Amplitube.

That's strange. I thought it would be a permanent thing. They never mentioned a time limit to claim it when they first said they were going to release it. Either way, I've already claimed it and installed it, so all good here, but good callout ?

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I mean it's barely a couple of weeks in, but so far so good! I haven't bought any plugins yet and had already intended on buying at least Diva and have a small list of synths to grab if they come up at a great price... But the thought of buying a few plugins still had crossed my mind a few times for some of the sales ?

I ended up grabbing Diva and Repro and love them both! Zebra was definitely tempting too.. But it didn't seem to be discounted from what they were selling it for and there was no free upgrade to Zebra3 so I thought I might hold off and pick up 3 next time around or maybe on an intro sale, or something ? They definitely make some nice sounding synths.

I really love bx_Oberhausen so it's a shame for people they're dropping that one. I'd probably rather bx_Masterdesk as well, instead of Landr, but I guess I see where they're going with that..

I'm not sure I'd say any of this is conclusive the offers are no more. The software was always accessible by going to the hardware first and I actually preferred it that way as I could never remember the right URL! ? Before I start stressing I'll just sit back and see what they do, but hopefully it's just taking them a little longer to organise the next ones ?

I think there are some interesting points in the article, but it does make some assumptions that aren't always true. A subscription model doesn't guarantee any updates, or developments from what I've seen. A higher initial purchase price doesn't necessarily have a real bearing on future development from my observations. There is a lot of assumptions that they must charge for compatibility updates and yet some developers release free products and update them too. Of course businesses need to be profitable, but often compatibility updates are very minor (excluding Apple and architecture changes). Many successful businesses provide these and even major updates for free. If we look at a close comparison being hardware effects and instruments, then these will often last almost indefinitely pending hardware component failure, so given there are no components to fail and the fixes are develop once, deliver to many, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect free compatibility updates personally. I would agree that in most cases subscription is a great model for businesses and developers though. As a consumer I avoid it, but there are definitely people who do like it, so having options is ok.

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Sure thing. Great sound for one (but I do like the sound quality of the 9000 too), but the Amek has a really nice clipper and limiter built in which sounds nice for subtle breaking up of the sound, or getting really crunchy. It's just a very versatile strip that has more features and sounds great. If I had to pick one only, definitely Amek, but I'll still use the 9000J at times anyway because I have it and like it ?

I have both and Amek is the favourite for sure ?

Well.. I like the idea of buying less plugins (not buying any isn't realistic!).. so I'm even going to leave Trackspacer, even though I was waiting for it to go sale and just use what I've already got for now. I'm already still planning on buying Diva from u-he though... I think that's an acceptable compromise for such an awesome synth ?

That's pretty ridiculous of them.. I can understand them placing some weighting on more expensive plugins and not just the number alone, but I'd be very surprised if your regular account wasn't higher in both of those.. If it was something you wanted to pursue, then it might be worth an email to them and they may be able to get it down to the $299 which seems to be the lowest I've heard (and what my loyalty price was). If not just tell them how many of their deals you've posted and they really should then.. you should probably get it for free!! ?

Can also try the code that @Jan Schmitz shared above too. That shouldn't be tied to his account, so if it hasn't already been used, then that would get you the $224 price with the $75 off voucher as well.

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