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How come, what happened Fleer? Bit concerning if that's the case, as I really like their plugins...

Yeah Arturia has the weirdest calculations on upgrade prices. It's really a guessing game as to who pays what! I find with a lot of these companies, they really only offer new users the best deals. So instead of paying each year / version, you're often better off ignoring their existing customer offers and buy from a completely different company offering new customer discounts. The biggest bang for buck is almost always in the initial bundle, so instead of getting a few small additions at a higher price, you get a whole heap of different instruments and effects, or sounds from a completely different company.

They released it a while ago and didn't seem to make a big deal out of it so about it people never even knew it was added! The sceptical side if me thinks that's just because they're going to move to NA installation instead, so they didn't want to make much noise beforehand! Forgot to mention... back onto these two.. Melda and United do have some of the least offensive and most convenient installers out there. I just use them now instead of individual downloads.

$99 update from X for me... Easy pass. Diminishing returns and it would just be chasing my tail to stay current.

Agreed with all of that. Just a point on this one, Plugin Alliance now shows updates. I wrote a script that cross checked my VST folder and queried the website, so I had a semi OK solution, but it was absurd it didn't already include it, especially after so many requests. The Tracktion installer is another horrible one. The installer options aren't consistent and if you move a library etc, the installer no longer recognizes it as being installed, so no update checking from then on. It doesn't understand the concept of custom paths. I have quite a few of their plugins and manually installing instead of their half baked installer is probably still more efficient!

I think Lars is saying he bought V1 at Audio Deluxe initially, not now.

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I really don't mind the sound of this. Not too surprising though, these guys are pretty talented and their freebies are often very generous. Sounds pretty lush with long decay too.

I've only got the LE version, so it wasn't expensive. But it's pretty impressive how much stuff it already included and that they've added since. Definitely the gift that keeps on giving.

I'd agree with most of that Brian. I often open Plugin Doctor when I hear a difference to see if there's anything obvious. I still remember Dan Worrall's video saying that all digital EQs sound identical (with matching curves), but that's not what I've experienced. There's something I hear in the Kirchhoff and apQualizr2 that sounds cleaner than the Toneboosters (or ProQ3 for that matter). I noticed it with ProQ3 as soon as I bought it, but couldn't understand why. Kirchhoff sounded better too. What Dan Worrall said makes total sense and he's pretty clued up when it comes to that sort of thing too! As for tube gear, the consensus still seems to be that the hardware saturation can't be recreated properly in plugins, so there can be different types of qualities between hardware and software that might be coming into play there. But with a digital EQ like Kirchhoff, I'd want it to be capable of surgical and clean rather than getting any harmonic content from it. I'll happily use vintage emulations regardless of aliasing, THD, or IMD if I like the sound in spite of what Plugin Doctor shows. If I like it, I like it. That's what I'm doing with these ones here, it's just that Plugin Doctor also displays some differences that support what I'm hearing. Now whether they are the reason they sound different to me, or it's something else, I can't say for sure. I'm still leaning towards transient smearing as from what I've read, that sounds the closest to what I can hear, but who knows.

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I think they're referring to these ones. For harmonics and IMD (Intermodulation Distortion) Kirchhoff in purple, Toneboosters in Red. Kirchhoff is completely clean from a THD / IMD perspective. What goes in, comes out, nothing else. From a technical perspective, these should be pretty reliable from my understanding (limited, I'm no Plugin Doctor expert!). From a whether it matters / low levels / accumulation / if it sounds good, it is good / etc. that's a different conversation, but from a scientific perspective, it's measurable. apQualizr2 is also exactly like Kirchhoff in these tests too.

At RRP levels Toneboosters smashes Kirchoff on value. But from memory, they don't really discount, whereas if you can stack a voucher, the Kirchoff can be cheaper, which makes it less clear cut. I already owned it, but I believe it was possible to get it down a lot less the other day. For example Three-Body Technology Cenozoix Compressor AND Three-Body Technology Trinity Shaper together could be had for around $39 in total with a $25 loyalty voucher, which are pretty common and often given away.

Yeah it's definitely been free a few times. I already had it, but not sure if I've got it installed on my current DAW. Sometimes I just claim them in case it's useful down the track. In this case it may even be if they remove codemeter. I've had that installed on my other system before and it never caused any issues though. Not that I like it or anything, but what it does isn't uncommon for plugins etc. these days. Lots of them are more invasive than they need to be.

I never really liked the sound of ProQ3 which is a bit opposite to most people.. I think it's to do with transient smearing, or something. But I love the workflow. FabFilter nails that. ProQ4 is supposed to be improved, but I still prefer some of the others. I'll still use it and it's a very good overall EQ, but if I didn't get EDU discount, I may have skipped it and stuck with ProQ3. As for stock DAW EQs it depends on the DAW. Frequency 2 in a certain DAW I use is very good.