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Sonar X3e first with popping and now no sound at all

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Hi.

I hope somebody can help me (please).

I'm using sonar for a few years.

This year began the problems. Before now, Sonar X3e works very fine.

First I must use with administrator privileges for use Miroslav Philarmonik 1 (or open it without sounds).
A lot of popping with Miroslav Philarmonik 2 (I did talk with Philarmonik support and we did all and Sonar still with problems).
After that, Sonar began with crashes with Philarmonik 2.
Then crashes randomly with or without Miroslav.
Now I have no sound at all. Just a pop when I press play.
And crashes opening a existing proyect.
Sound card works fine with everything else (video, audio, movies, games...), but Sonar X3e.

I did reinstall Windows 10 (64b). Did not work.
I did reinstall Sonar X3e several times. Did not work.
I did reinstall All VST and all the sounds. Did not work.
I did reinstall sound card drivers. Did not work.
I tried install ASIO4ALL drivers. Did not work.
I tried say a lot of bad words. Did not work.
I tried open projects with shift and open vst one by one. Did not worrk.

I can do nothing now. None, zero. 

Operating System: Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (10.0, Build 17763) (17763.rs5_release.180914-1434)
      System Manufacturer: ASUS
             System Model: All Series
                     BIOS: BIOS Date: 05/14/15 11:29:23 Ver: 22.02 (type: BIOS)
                Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4770K CPU @ 3.50GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.5GHz
                   Memory: 24576MB RAM
      Available OS Memory: 24510MB RAM
          DirectX Version: DirectX 12
           DxDiag Version: 10.00.17763.0001 64bit Unicode

-------------
Sound Devices
-------------
            Description: Altavoces (2- Sound Blaster Audigy 5/Rx)
 Default Sound Playback: Yes
 Default Voice Playback: Yes
            Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0008&SUBSYS_10241102&REV_00
        Manufacturer ID: 1
             Product ID: 100
                   Type: WDM
            Driver Name: ctaud2k.sys
         Driver Version: 6.00.0301.0056 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
            WHQL Logo'd: Yes
          Date and Size: 14/08/2018 0:00:00, 880000 bytes
            Other Files: 
        Driver Provider: Creative
         HW Accel Level: Basic
              Cap Flags: 0xF1F
    Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
 Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
              HW Memory: 0
       Voice Management: No
 EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
   I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No

And, the ini file:

[Creative ASIO (7 in, 10 out)]
InputLatencyOffset=0
UseAsioReportedLatency=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut1=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut2=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut3=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut4=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut5=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut6=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut7=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut8=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut9=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut10=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn1=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn2=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn3=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn4=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn5=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn6=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn7=0
[SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO 24/96(D000) (1 in, 4 out)]
InputLatencyOffset=0
UseAsioReportedLatency=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut1=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut2=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut3=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut4=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn1=0
[SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO(D000) (7 in, 10 out)]
InputLatencyOffset=0
UseAsioReportedLatency=1
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut1=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut2=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut3=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut4=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut5=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut6=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut7=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut8=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut9=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveOut10=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn1=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn2=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn3=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn4=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn5=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn6=0
MME.DriverMap.UseWaveIn7=0
[Aud]
DataDir=C:\Cakewalk Projects\Audio Data
PictureDir=C:\Cakewalk Projects\Picture Cache
PicCacheMB=500
PicCacheZoom=128
PicCacheLevels=2
EnablePicCacheThreads=1
ComputePicturesWhilePlaying=1
CopyOnImport=1
ReadCache=0
WriteCache=0
EnableCacheWriteThru=1
VolMethod=1
PanMethod=1
DiskBufSize=256
DiskRecBufSize=256
ExtraDiskBuffers=2
DitherAlgorithm=5
ZeroFillMethod=2
RecordPreAllocSeconds=0
ZeroFillDB=300
FlushWriteBeforeRead=0
FlushMultiple=1
DefaultEqPosition=1
DefaultAudSnapOfflineStretchMethod=3
DefaultAudSnapOnlineStretchMethod=1
RadiusStretchingPitchCoherence=50
RadiusStretchingPhaseCoherence=50
RealtimePreroll=0
SuspendPluginsOnBounce=1
[Wave]
DefaultSampleRate=48000
DriverID=0
WaveInID=0
OpenInputFirst=0
SmpteMode=1
TimingOffsetMsec=0,000000
TimingOffsetBuffers=0
LatencyMsec=100
BounceBufSizeMsec=0
AlwaysStreamAudioThroughFx=1
ThreadSchedulingModel=1
EnableMixThreads=1
MixThreadCount=0
EnableSetThreadIdealProcessor=1
CSUseSpin=1
AllowOfflineRenderMixThreads=1
UseMMCSS=1
MMCSSThreadPriority=-2
MMCSSTaskKey=Pro Audio
FreeMemOnUnload=1
AlwaysOpenAllDevices=0
MinimizeDriverStateChanges=1
RemoveDCOffset=0
EnableAsioBufferSwitchTimeInfo=1
EnableDeviceOutputLatencyCompensation=1
UseHardwareSamplePosition=1
BitsPerSample=16
FileBitDepth=16
RenderBitDepth=32
ImportBitDepth=0
ExtraPluginBufs=0
MixDezipperUsec=50
GapDezipperUsec=500
WaveInBuffers=8
WaveOutBuffersMME=4
WaveOutBuffersKS=2
MeterFrameSizeMS=40
SyncMaxDriftMsec=2
SyncDivisor=8
ProfiledMME=0
ProfiledKS=0
ProfiledWASAPI=0
UseWDMDmaForWASAPI=1
LinkSendPan=0
LinkPFSendMute=0
StopOnEmptyPlayQueue=0
KsUseInputEvent=0
WaveOutExtraBuffers=1
AutomationDecimationMsec=50
EnableSSEMixing=1
ThumbnailCacheSize=100
ManageASIOThreadPriority=1
EnableLiveADCRecalc=1
UseAlias=0
DropoutMsec=250
StartFadeMsec=0
StopFadeMsec=0
PanLaw=0
PanLawCompatMode=0
DisableIMDuringPlay=0
ShowMultiChannelInputs=0
ShowMultiChannelOutputs=0
[SampleRates]
Count=9
0=11025
1=22050
2=44100
3=48000
4=88200
5=96000
6=176400
7=192000
8=384000
[AliasInput]
Creative ASIO Line-In L=Creative ASIO Line-In L
Creative ASIO Mix L=Creative ASIO Mix L
Creative ASIO Mix FL=Creative ASIO Mix FL
Creative ASIO Mix RL=Creative ASIO Mix RL
Creative ASIO Mix FC=Creative ASIO Mix FC
Creative ASIO Mix RC=Creative ASIO Mix RC
Creative ASIO Mix SL=Creative ASIO Mix SL
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO 24/96[D000] Line-In L=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO 24/96[D000] Line-In L
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Line-In L=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Line-In L
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Mix L=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Mix L
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Mix FL=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Mix FL
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Mix RL=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Mix RL
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Mix FC=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Mix FC
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Mix RC=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Mix RC
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Mix SL=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Mix SL
[AliasOutput]
Creative ASIO Wave=Creative ASIO Wave
Creative ASIO Front L/R=Creative ASIO Front L/R
Creative ASIO Rear L/R=Creative ASIO Rear L/R
Creative ASIO Front C/Sub=Creative ASIO Front C/Sub
Creative ASIO Rear Center=Creative ASIO Rear Center
Creative ASIO Side L/R=Creative ASIO Side L/R
Creative ASIO FX 1 L/R=Creative ASIO FX 1 L/R
Creative ASIO FX 2 L/R=Creative ASIO FX 2 L/R
Creative ASIO FX 3 L/R=Creative ASIO FX 3 L/R
Creative ASIO FX 4 L/R=Creative ASIO FX 4 L/R
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO 24/96[D000] Front L/R=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO 24/96[D000] Front L/R
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO 24/96[D000] Rear L/R=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO 24/96[D000] Rear L/R
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO 24/96[D000] Front C/Sub=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO 24/96[D000] Front C/Sub
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO 24/96[D000] Side L/R or RC=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO 24/96[D000] Side L/R or RC
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Wave=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Wave
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Front L/R=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Front L/R
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Rear L/R=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Rear L/R
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Front C/Sub=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Front C/Sub
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Rear Center=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Rear Center
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Side L/R=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] Side L/R
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] FX 1 L/R=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] FX 1 L/R
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] FX 2 L/R=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] FX 2 L/R
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] FX 3 L/R=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] FX 3 L/R
SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] FX 4 L/R=SBAudigy5/Rx ASIO[D000] FX 4 L/R

 

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There are lots of posts about issues with sound blaster based sound cards being hosed by Windows 10. Just one example below.

There are lots of low cost audio cards our there that would be a better choice for SONAR than what you are trying to use. May want to consider upgrading to Cakewalk by Bandlab while you are upgrading too.

 

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/lost-sound-after-latest-windows-10-update/92063df1-e228-4e68-a5b0-ee9bb9c891aa

Edited by Brando

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7 minutes ago, user6851820567124302 said:

Thank you.

I did, but still the same problem opnening a proyect:

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I tried driver modes before, didn't work.


 

Did you try this...

24 minutes ago, scook said:

Rename AUD.ini in %appdata%\Cakewalk\<SONAR version>

 

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For what its worth, Sonar X3 was never supported Windows 10.

Windows 10 was released in 2015, Sonar X3 2013. I mean it should work. but you have to take that into consideration when adding up the abnormality's.

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Are Windows and SONAR set to the same sample rate?

Does X3 work with the internal sound chip?

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Dump Sonar 3Xe for heaven's sake!

Every minute you spend farting around trying to get it to work now that you can use Cakewalk by Bandlab for free is wasted time unless you're on one of those TV shows where you live in primitive conditions in order to win a prize.

"So, user6851820567124302, how is your project to attempt to use the technology of the early '10's to create orchestral music on a computer coming along?"

You have Miroslav 2 and a 3.5GH i7 with 24GB of RAM to run your DAW on, why are you insulting them by using a DAW from 6 years ago?

If your system were working fine and you didn't want to touch it, I'd get it, or if it cost a lot to upgrade to Cakewalk, I'd get it, but your system is hosed and you're trying to get the obsolete version of the program to work?

Don't do that, that's a waste of time and computer resources! Throw Cakewalk on there and you can even get help from Bandlab staff. And it's a better program.

Edited by Starship Krupa
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Sonar X3e Producer works fine for me on my Win 10 Laptop (Windows 10 Home 64 bit).

I thought at first I may be running as Admin or with some compatibility options, but I'm not.

However, even using WASAPI the buffer size has to be at maximum.

CbB is is practically at the minimum buffer size.

There's no contest really - by all means install X3e to get the extra plugins / softsynths, but use CbB.

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1 hour ago, user6851820567124302 said:

I tried driver modes before, didn't work.

Im talking about renaming  AUD.ini and letting Cakewalk rebuild a new one.

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X3 works on Win 10. I have SPlat,  X3e, 2, 1 and Sonar 8.5 on my Win 10 machine. They all work fine.

I am with @scook and @Chuck E Baby ; delete the "Aud.ini" file.

(If that doesn't work then perhaps more RAM an SSD and a few Waves plug-ins will.🤨)

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Were's CJ when we need him? He'll tell you to take an elevator to the top floor of the tallest building in town and toss the Audigy card off! 

I speak from personal experiance... I wasted a year trying to get one to work.  They just have terrible drivers, thats all. 

I just opened X3e on my W10 computer and other than it's missing a lot of stuff I now use, it works just fine. But I am using a proper ASIO audio interface so of course it will. My guess is a W10 update really trashed your Creative drivers. 

 

 

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