Starise

@Hidden Symmetry Very nice relaxing track. So you played the guitars and bass? Was the horn added by someone else?  I love how these collabs can sometimes come together. Nice work on the mix so far as I can tell on these earbuds. I'm not at home and listening from somewhere besides my studio. The earbuds I'm wearing miss a lot of low information and accentuate the high mids. 

I made version of this song that I added a slightly celtic feel to it here- 

1 hour ago, Tezza said:

Yes, if I do eat chicken or fish, I normally boil it in one of those steamers, bottom pan has chicken or fish in it with boiling water and then the one on top that acts as a steamer has whatever vegetables in it. You can put 1cm triangular cut potatoes in it together with a few 1cm thick slices of sweet potato and a couple of peeled small size carrots, let that steam for about 5 mins then add broccoli, zucchini, cauliflower or cabbage/beans and half a tomato, let that steam for another 5 - 10 minutes while you do the gravy in another saucepan and then serve. "Roast" dinner in 15 minutes, with the saucepans washed in that time as well, then some balsamic vinegar on the greens and some mayonnaise for the carrots....anything can be cooked in the steamer in 15 minutes. The key is size and hardness, cut chicken or fish into 1cm slices so it cooks faster and the harder vegetables go in first, softer don't need as much. Gravy takes 5 minutes with the powder dissolved in cold water first then added to the water in the pan (that you got from the bottom steamer) then dilute a couple of teaspoons of cornflour in tiny amount of cold water and slowly add that till you get thick gravy.

Whole thing takes 15 minutes, can also put eggs in bottom or the vegie patties in.

If I'm making rice dish, I boil that in a pan and use the wok for the vegies and sauce, again, 15 minutes. I only cook for 15 minutes at the most to make 1 or 2 meals.

Chicken and steak tend to cook on the outside before they cook on the inside. I have one of those insta pots I sometimes use for those. It has a stainless steel pot in it. Those pots will steam and slow cook. If I'm cooking outside I usually put steak  in an aluminum pan marinated and covered in foil in the top of my grill for about 45 minutes, same for chicken. The grill gets to 650/700F  that's about 370C. This cooks the meat well inside. Then I remove it from the pan and finish cooking it on the grill surface. A friend gave me one of those ceramic "egg" cookers which I smoked brisket on this past summer using wood chips. Nothing like the smell of meat smoking  in the summer. In the winter I'm mostly either slow cooking or I put the meat in the oven and broil it.

I use a standard iron frying pan for wok style cooking. I can get steamable vegetables you simply microwave and that's even better yet. I steam precooked shrimp with old bay seasoning to lock the flavor in. Only takes less than 5 minutes once they get to temp..

I prefer outdoor cooking to indoor cooking. I use a Blackstone outdoor griddle in the summer in addition to my regular grill. It's great for Asian style food. You just dump the mixed vegetables with shrimp on it and cook away. No cracks for food to fall through.  A great way to make cheese steaks too. 

For eggs - Did you ever use one a microwave egg cooker?  1 minute and you have two cooked eggs. No grease. 

10 hours ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said:

I tried that feature once and couldn't understand how you set it up or if it did something to the audio.

You mean using TRackS  Master Match? I had that problem with MCompare. Not intuitive at all. 

11 hours ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said:

I usually only commit to a mix because of an impeding deadline or because I've given up after starting over for the 30th time. That's not a joke.

I have been less prone lately to over analyze a mix at the master stage. This is mainly because I just don't have the time. Having said that, I can get a decent master much faster than I once could. 

8 hours ago, Shane_B. said:

It's funny Starise mentioned the low end cutoff. I ripped a bunch of my first print (pre loudness wars) CD's from the 80's and analyzed them. All of them had a heavy slope cutoff below 100Hz. High end all varied. All of them had a -6db peak, -18db rms, and peaked out at -3 on the K-14 meter. I started mastering my songs to meet those specs and did some upload tests to Soundcloud. Night and day difference. The -6db Peak/-18db rms converted to SC's mp3 streaming format far better than mixing to -1db peak and not worrying about the RMS. I mix to K-14 now but I think I'm going to go back. There was a significant difference. The MP3 format is interesting. The algorithm was created only using a handful of acoustic instrument songs. Fast Car by Tracy Chapman was one of them IIRC. IOW, it wasn't made for all types of music.

Edit: To clarify I mean they used Fast Car as a reference song when creating the MP3 format as well as a few other acoustic instrument leaning songs.

TBH  I see two ways to mix for streaming. One way is to simply mix using only your ears in a good space or using monitor correction( or maybe both). Then look at where the levels actually are. It's all the same thing just measured in different ways. Back in the day it was db and RMS. Now its LUFS and the K system. One difference from now and "back in the day" though is most of their signal chain had compressive softening qualities to it naturally. I think this played a big part in the end results. Nowadays you have to add it in if mixing ITB. ....and mixing from start to master is an art of sorts. I stopped thinking in terms of " this is how a real environment would sound" or this is supposed to work like this or that.  In mixing everything is a trick and nothing is cheating so long as the results are favorable. 

14 hours ago, Tezza said:

There are definitely similarities between cooking a meal and writing a song on a DAW, probably too many to list.

Yeah but you don't get to eat the song afterwards.

16 hours ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said:

I believe till this day that orchestral libraries have a personal vendetta against the percussion section. Either you don't have all the instruments, they're poorly represented, don't have all the articulations and so on.

If I use anything it's mostly timpani for orchestral work sometimes I use snare drum with pre programmed rolls. Compared to a rock band I guess it's pretty tame, but yeah I hear you. If making anything cinematic with big drums I have to reach for another program. I have epic drums but haven't used it much. Mainly because I don't have a need for intense cinematic tracks right now. 

14 hours ago, Tezza said:

Non stick frypans, I hate them and they are completely unnecessary but if you go to a shop to buy a frypan, they are all coated with these cancer causing chemicals. I won't use them, just use uncoated skillets and woks which I have to get from special shops. I worked in a Chinese restaurant from about 14 to 18 and that influenced the way I cook. I've always enjoyed cooking whether by myself or for others. With woks, it's about knowing how to treat the wok and with non-coated pans it's about olive oil and heat control. If you use the heat correctly, you won't get sticking.

I still use a rice cooker which is basically a none stick fry pan with high sides. If teflon is deadly I'm probably going  to die from it because I have used those kinds of pans up until about 5 years ago when I switched to  an old style cast iron pan. They say if you go black you'll never go back...I think they mean't something else but it applies here  I love to cook too and it shows because I have to sample my food. I like large samples.

14 hours ago, Shane_B. said:

Yepper. My mom used cast iron frying pans. Never had anything stick.

Knowing you Bub that isn't why your mom had the cast iron frying pan.

13 hours ago, Notes_Norton said:

* Eyeglasses: I tried contact lenses, and they didn't work for me.

Same here. I might try them again though because I hate wearing glasses. 

Relaxing?  Maybe for a seal. I dunno. I'll stick to heated baths as long as possible. But then, I'm not Norwegian. Maybe that's the difference. 

Want a good cleansing? Go down to the deep south when the humidity is at 99% and it's 110F out in July. That opens those glands right on up. 

I don't think any of us are going to get any better on the hearing end of things.

One thing I did the other day was look at someone else's master I really liked. I used TRackS Master Match plug in. It takes a master you like and makes adjustment to your master based on it. I also had Melda's Mcompare but never really took a liking to it. Just too much involved in using it.

They guy  left downloads opened on his SC so I downloaded the track and put it into the TRackS master Match plugin. 

Here are a few hints as to why his master sounded so good. I usually roll off everything below 60hz. This guy had material in the 20hz range. You have to be careful though in how much you use and where you use it. Another hint-  There was a huge difference between soft passages and loud passages. If it had all been loud there would have been  no contrast. If you mix it right the material is very powerful when those climaxes come along.  Don't listen to my last mix. It is not representative of either good musicianship or a perfect mix. Listening to his track though gave me a basis for future mixes.

1 hour ago, Paul Young said:

https://alltimelists.com/29-things-to-stop-buying-in-2021/?view-all&fbclid=IwAR0c27tr0jS6-z54PZs11slvuRO1k1pked8-7279iQhrZrpDKCDysZRs5UI

 

Not DAW related but there are probably 21 things to stop buying in the DAW world.

1. EQs -  I've seen known producers who do tutorials and more often they are using built in EQs.

2. Orchestra libraries - if you do this as a hobby like who cares what sounds you use?

 

My suggestion on EQs, compressors, limiters: If you want to step up get just one or two good ones. No need to go round' buying them like candy. If I want a good EQ I have Fabfilter Pro Q. The GUI and controls are amazing. My go to limiter has been McDSP 4L4000 or IK Stealth limiter though Stealth is a little dirty and not as clean as the 4L4000. It all depends. The Cakewalk brickwall limiter is ok on some material. . I don't think the Adaptive Limiter was a part of the new Cakewalk, but I like it as well. I'm not as selective on my compressors. I have way too many of them.

Sometimes the Cakewalk compressor is just fine. Sometimes I'm looking for something a little more selective. How much better are 3rd party plugins than their factory equals? 

Better EQ's have improved filters resulting in a slightly more honed sound. Not that you will always hear the difference, but it's there. I use Melda's Dymanic EQ or Izotope Ozone sometimes when looking for a dynamic EQ.. You can use the Fabfilter EQ as a dynamic.

Have I bought just one or two? No. I have somewhere around 1400 plugins last count. That's why I can tell you it isn't really necessary. Just get a few good ones. 

I think the TRacks plugins are a great value for performance mainly because it's a one time buy unless they add something else to the pak later. Waves has WUP. With TRacks, buy one time and be done with it. Don't get me wrong Waves makes wonderful plugins but when you buy one they charge for updates using WUP. Melda is another great plugin buy if you can get past those GUIs. I never liked them even though I have a few of the plugins. 

On orchestral  libraries;  I thought the violin samples were tinny in one recent library I bought so I decided to try the same samples in several of my other libraries. Guess what? They were all tinny. I almost blamed the library. It's either my hearing or my setup.  Here's the real kicker, during my little experiment I decided to make comparisons of a bunch of instruments across all of my libraries. You would not believe the results. There is no huge difference between many lower end libraries and the more expensive ones depending on the sound and the context. Example- I have the Joshua Bell violin and the Taylor Davis violin. Both are excellent sampled violin libraries with large foot prints. Just for kicks I decided to try a few samples from IK's Miroslav Philharmonic 2 which isn't thought to be very good compared to the likes of Spitfire and Vienna. I came across one solo violin with  really nice vibrato sound . Would work great in a mix. The kicker? I looked and it's 8.1 mb. That's right 8.1mb. Wow. In this case it would have worked just as well as the JB with less programming hassle. Same thing happened with string sections in Amadeus. I compared it to  Spitfire's CORE violins. I had a tough time telling the difference. Amadeus is somewhere around 20gb or less. 

John had a few patches for the Discovery version on a prior release free included as a patch in UNIFY. Not sure if he expanded on that in this version with the Discover version.

I recently bought CORE. Can't wait to give this a try! This was the one drawback ( depending on how you view it) to CORE in that it was all just independent sections with only instrument range mapping. Looks as if loading it as a UNIFY patch will make it more like the sychron player in Vienna or any other number of other similar combo types of players. For fast group compositions of different orchestral component combinations that sound realistic this looks amazing.

Not that it matter to VST users, but I hear there's an AAX version of UNIFY in beta for PT users.

I was able to get the 29.00 deal with Plugin.com.  Thanks Larry.

Will be interesting to see how it work with my headphones.

40 minutes ago, Shane_B. said:

Thanks. I couldn't imagine having to be exposed to this the entire time. My wife is an engineer and has been working from home since late Feb. She's on her PC 10 hours a day. Don't know how she can stand it. At least I'm doing something fun when I'm on. They changed their policies to where you can stay home and work whenever you want to now. Even after this is over. There's only a few people who have started going back in to her office. There's over 5K where she works.

I gave up looking for work down here and started doing my own thing but that has amounted to me focusing on finishing the fixer upper house we bought. The only thing I could find was going to downtown KC every day and I'd rather live in a van down by the river than do that.

My wife had to go to Boston 3 days last week, come home for the weekend, then go right back Monday for another 3 days. Next month the poor thing has to go to Waikiki for 2 weeks, over Valentines day. I can't go because our last dog is 16 and not doing good and requires 24/7 care. It's getting exhausting. So I'll probably be here a lot in the next month or so, wallowing in self pity. 😛

Bill! Don't forget to take your meds! You know how forgetful us old timers are! 😁

I hear a lot of people are working on home projects to stay busy. I was off for 8 weeks and managed to get a lot done. No commute. 

My wife is a a professional too who works from home a few days a week. Thankfully she is always local. Would be tough dealing with a spouse who had to go away. I've been at my job for  20 years now and in this line of work way before that. I don't do bad where I am. To go anywhere else and have the deal I have here probably wouldn't happen so I'm hanging on until I'm ready to retire. Then I figure I'll get a "busy" job of some kind part time or take more time in the studio recording. I could probably quit now and we would be ok but I'm staying at it for a bit more yet to save. Completely debt free. Three cars all paid for. Own my home. Financially I'm doing well. Had some health issues awhile back I'm trying to stay on top of. If things get worse I might have to leave earlier than I intended. I have some issues that could be progressive in the future. So far so good.

I would probably get tired of staying around the house all the time, but waking up at 7am would be very nice. No commute would be very nice. Staying up late would be nice.  One day hopefully in the not to distant future I will retire and the people who work from home will be envious  

Hi Gary,

I am primarily a writer of music who sometimes gets lucky with a lyric. They say even a blind squirrel gets a nut every now and then. 

Shoot me line or I'll shoot you a line . It's funny, I was working with a girl in Norway but her music is  not this music. Her lyrics were more "out there" and artsy. Not a bad thing .  I have played Christian music at church on and off for quite awhile.

I'm still working.........must be nice over there in Norway to retire at 56 years old  but I could free up some time for a project like this.  I see someone has already offered so I'll lay back to see if you need me or want to work with a project in the future. If you're still interested just send me a PM. 

18 hours ago, Shane_B. said:

Tis' I.  I'm still dead inside, they've just made a lot of advancements with plastic surgery. 😁

I got away from music and forums and the net completely for a few years. Had a lot going on 'round home. Was hit by someone who ran a stop sign. Had surgery a few months ago and have to go in again in a couple months (not related to accident). Been locked in since Feb 2020 and finished all my inside home remodel projects and decided to get back in to recording again while it's still too cold to do anything outside. Once spring rolls around I'll be gone again.

Glad to see most of the old timers are still here. I'm loving CbB. It's running rock solid. I keep bouncing between it and S1. It's hard because I love both but CbB is like an old friend when I fire it up and I still think it's the best looking and easiest to use DAW. S1 is getting too complicated for my old brain. There's a lot crammed in there and it's only a matter of time before it starts to crumble. Hah. I just got a new Presonus 1810c interface and latency is better in CbB than S1 on my system ...

👍

Glad to see you back Bub. I'm still on the daily grind during the week. In order to get off work I would need to get hurt and I don't want that. I feel like most of the world is sitting at home in their underwear working from home and I'm still out here every day. I'll admit I'm a little jealous. Even my supervisor gets two days a week working from home. He called me up a few weeks ago about 9:30am and had the "I just got out of bed" voice. Mind you, I get up at 5:30 am.  The kicker is 99% of everything I do could be done remotely. I am here on a technicality because others who don't work on a computer have to be here and I'm part of that group.

I wouldn't want to be off because I'm injured or sick. Sorry to hear about the accident and hope you continue to recover.

Just poked my head into the Newegg site. They tend to be one of my favorite suppliers. Currently you can get an i7  10700K for 359.00 or a Ryzen 7 3700X for 319.00. That's not a huge difference in price for me. Both chips clock factory in the high 3ghz range. Looks like you can O.C the Ryzen to 4.4. Not sure about the 10700K. I could be mistaken but I think the "K" designation means you can O.C. the chip. I keep my 5820K 6 core i7 overclocked at over 4ghz and have never had a heat issue or any other kind of problem in the 4+ years I've had it. That chip is getting long in the tooth compared to more recent chips. For me though it's plenty. 

If I were going to upgrade today I would be looking at an i9 only because I run libraries and lots of plugins.As of now you can get an i9 10900K 10 core for about 5 bills.

For a budget build you can get an i5 for half that and still have a nice home studio computer. One of the main things I learned on my last build was the lanes on the 5820K are less which can affect throughput depending on what you're trying to do. For some odd reason they throttled the lanes on the 5820K .vs the 5820. I'm still running samples off of 4 large SSDs simultaneously. I think it has more to do with  the available throughput and speed of live recording channels from your interface. I seldom record more than 2 tracks at a time. I track acoustic instruments usually with a stereo pair of pencils or track a vocal. That's about the extent of my live work.

I sometimes use the Fat Channel in Cakewalk. The effects in SO5 have been compared to top notch effects. I see them as a few steps above the factory plugins included with most DAWs IMO. I have a lot of the Waves plugins and I think they compare favorably.

Hey I just realized I think this is Bub the zombie ^^^^^^^^ Hey man, how did you unzombie yourself? 

Looks like this server might be RAID. There are two hard drives.

Would this change anything?

4 hours ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said:

Modern Intel CPUs are behind on manufacturing processes (their latest cpus are still 14nm, as they couldn't get the 10nm node right yet again), on top of having the same thermal issues people used to criticize AMD cpus of the past. Intel is good at single core performance, which is becoming less and less relevant nowadays, even in gaming, where Intel is usually the norm. In many instances, you end up paying more for less with Intel, due to their heavy market segmentation over the years and the overall confusion with the long SKU names in the 10th series, down to the point you can even see demonstrators in video simply refering to the cpus as "10th gen" instead of the full SKU name.

If you're only running audio, you don't need the latest and greatest with tons of RAM. Even a modest PC can deal with hundreds of tracks without issues. It's the plugins that require extra computing power.

If you are considering an AMD cpu, it's advised that you get the fastest RAM you can afford, as performance scales with RAM speed on AMD SKUs.

I think in some cases they go head to head well. I have nothing against AMD if I could find one with  low heat and quiet cooling comparable in performance to Intel.  Some people say we have that now. I think it's a bit of a stretch to date. Not arguing that there aren't good Ryzen chips. In a build like that I would also want a good MOBO with the right  I/O. Not just I/O but support of peripherals . Sometimes a MOBO will advertise I/O but you come to find it only supports part of a spec. This was an issue  back when Thunderbolt USB-C came out. Sometimes it still is. This isn't just AMD/Ryzen MOBOs. Can also be Intel. 

I have had a wonderful track record with Intel and I guess I'm very reluctant to chance a bad apple in a  perfect run of computer builds.

2 hours ago, Shane_B. said:

I'm running an i7 6700K with 16GB RAM, 2 small SSD's, and no video card.

I was recently looking at video cards because I wanted to play a few older games while I'm stuck inside for the winter and lockdown. The cheapest I could find a used card that will handle the few older games I want to run (Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas, Fallout 4, and Skyrim) in hi res mode is a GTX 1060 for $250 on eBay. To me that's nuts for a 5 year old card.

Surprisingly, I have never had a lick of trouble using the GPU on the mobo for DAW, Video Editing, streaming video. It even supports 4K. I finally was able to get high speed net out here in the country and I've been streaming 4K on this with a 4K TV hooked up as a monitor and it's been great.

Edit: This is my second attempt at replying. My post vanished the first time. Do do doodoo do do doodoo bada da bom. Picture if you will ... sorry. 😁

An excellent choice in a mid tier home studio DAW.  Glad you've had good luck with that GPU.  TBH I would only be shopping a higher end video card if I were going to put together videos on a regular basis in high resolutions using video production software. I do some of that now but it's mostly just me playing around. Nothing serious to date. If I had clients though , then yes I would have something more robust. What I have now isn't bad. It' s somewhere in the middle and seems to work well for what I do. Video is one area said to be better using some Ryzen chips. Not head and shoulders better. Only  minimally better than Intel.

I remember back when a decent build was in the 500-800 range. I guess I'm dating myself.  Good i9 build is now probably 2K range not including the interface. Especially if you go with a good video card. Those can be pretty expensive on the high end. If you're thinking about video work , might as well look at that too. Can save a few bucks on  Ryzen .vs Intel but I would not recommend it personally. I'll take the extra 300-500 hit for Intel.  We are talking about something you want to depend on over a long period of time.

If you don't want to get involved in a build, I would contact Jim if you live in the US. If in the UK fees and shipping add up. Might still be a consideration though.

Gaming computers are basically higher spec'd computers, so yes I would look at them especially. The main consideration to buying a gaming setup is  to make sure the I/O suits what it is you want to do. Faster SSD dives. No platters preferably. Some places are advertising gamer computers with only 8gb of memory. That just isn't enough usually. 16gb minimum and if using large sound libraries you need large drives and more memory. I'm a smaller project maker, so 16 has never not been enough even running several tracks of heavy libraries.

On the cheap and running under 20 tracks? Making basic band mixes using mainly audio tracks? You could probably get a computer from Costco, tigerdirect, newegg, the HP or Dell discounted sites. You might be forced to use USB ( work ok for most), Lack as much I/O as you might want. Have to add additional memory and/or another SSD but you could go that route. 

Plenty of people have Cakewalk loaded and working on basic PC's if only doing basic things. 

12 hours ago, Bad Mac said:

 

Their desks start at $2,580.00. That is more than i want to spend. Nice desk for sure. 

Build your own for a lot less and get something closer to what you really want. I had mine built by a bud with a wood shop. If you're handy build it yourself. I build cabinets when the mood suits. Just built a drink center from scratch. Back when I needed a desk I didn't have the tools I have now. If you need/want advice ask away.

By modern standards my desk is now considered massive. I have 12 rack spaces to either side of me at knee level. Two half racks still under the main surface. 4 additional  rack spaces under my monitors. Enough room for two sets of monitors. The middle has a cutout for  a full sized keyboard.A level above that has a sliding shelf for two monitors. I can slide that shelf over the keyboard if necessary. There is yet another level to the rear that could be used for a 3rd video monitor on a  taller stand. The back of the desk is truly cavernous. Lots of room for whatever behind the racks. At least as much room as the racks take up. I had to bring it in three pieces bolted together.

We used high quality finished plywood which was stained. The only things I wish would have been done differently is  he made the racks spaces just a little tighter than I wanted. Also there is no rack mounts strips. When I move to my next studio space I plan to either build a smaller desk or modify the one I have.

Back in the day all of those spaces made sense. FWIW I never even half filled them. Now it would be overkill for most studios who use ITB plugins and efx. All you really need is a nice front end into a decent interface, decent monitors. If a keyboardist it's nice to have the keys handy. That's about it.

12 hours ago, Doug Rintoul said:

You should have little problem if you are cloning the drive and putting it back into the same computer. 

I have actually found Windows 10 to be less picky about hardware changes than XP as long as you don't change the way the hard drive is accessed in the BIOS, aka AHCI vs IDE/Legacy vs RAID).

Thanks for your comments.

Interesting that you haven't had issues with Win 10. I have heard horror stories about hardware changes that require the software to be re authorized on the same computer. Mainly if a MOBO is changed. I wasn't sure if it also applied to an SSD/HDD. Hardware and builds have been so stable I haven't needed to attempt it until now.

11 hours ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said:

Yes. Use Clonezilla.

I'll look Cloneszilla up. Thank you.

3 hours ago, msmcleod said:

I did some animated gif's on using clonezilla a while back... the option names have changed slightly since then, but it's basically the same:

Great to know others have used it successfully. Those additional gifs really help to see the process better. Thanks @msmcleod I have a single HDD disk carriage with a usb connection. Do you think I could use that? My plan was to plug the old drive into it. Retrieve the image onto a functional computer. Then write the identical image to a new drive ( wiped clean) using the same hardware.

That's a baby desk you ought to see mine  I think I could live in it.

I know we have some very computer literate people here. This question would also apply to music computers.

I  have known you could clone a computer's HDD for some time but never actually had a need to do it. I think I even have the outboard HDD shuttle you drop the spare drive into to clone it.

The situation is I work for an interest that has an old Dell running winxp that controls a whole bunch of stuff related to their hardware. I think the HDD is beginning to go bad or we might have lost a cooling fan. If you reboot it's ok for a little while and then looses the points to the hardware yet again. I'm guessing it's probably 10 or more years old. We are being given a price of 15K to replace the server, mainly I'm told, because of the software that would need to be bought and re registered. The server itself is a basic Dell desktop . They took away the keyboard and mouse. It's password protected so even if I hook up to it I can't get into it.

What I'm thinking I could do is clone the HDD and replace it. Win10 is more finicky about hardware changes, but Winxp I'm thinking was not as difficult. 

Do you know if I could simply clone the drive and replace it?  The way I figure it, I have nothing to loose if it doesn't work.  Thanks.

I seen the email. For me, with CORE it isn't too heavy. If I had pro though it might feel like passing a kidney stone. Not that I ever have. 

I don't know why I bought it in the first place. It's an excellent library even the CORE version, but I seldom make orchestral music. I have a few other libraries that would have done in a pinch....so I guess I had orchestral GAS there for awhile. 

My room is all full of sound absorptive junk. None of it was scientifically done though I know how. 

I've used ARC ever since it was introduced now in version 3 and Sonarworks for headphones. The last time I bought ARC I bought the most recent mic they sell with it.

I am quite happy with it. Mixes translate pretty well for me using ok monitors. ARC is not only EQ it is also time relational to the standing waves and adjusted to your location. I don't usually move around my mixing space so it works fine. Not trying to sell anyone just telling you it works for me.