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I leave for the Big Apple in the morning! I've never been there so I'm looking forward to seeing it! Staying in Midtown, and doing a bus tour, and a Liberty Cruise, then dinner at Hard Rock on 7th, and then seeing a Broadway show after dinner! I board a ship in Brooklyn Sunday morning for a 9 day cruise! Needless to say, I'm pretty excited (and terrified LOL)

I use a lot of different DAWs. They all have bugs. Windows has bugs. MacOS has bugs. More complex programs have more bugs than simpler programs. Books have typos. Movies have continuity problems. Doctors misdiagnose. NASA lost the Mars Climate Orbiter in 1999 because of a miscalculation translating between metric and imperial units of measurement. And I wouldn't get into a self-driving Tesla, if you know what I mean. Although a lot of people claim to have come up with the phrase "the grass is always greener where you water it," the phrase originated with Robert Fulghum: “The grass is not, in fact, always greener on the other side of the fence. No, not at all. Fences have nothing to do with it. The grass is greenest where it is watered. When crossing over fences, carry water with you and tend the grass wherever you may be.” I don't have problems with DAWs because I live within their limitations, which all DAWs have. There will never be a perfect DAW, so the goal is to work with the one that best fits your needs. But also remember the words of Erma Bombeck: "The grass is always greener over the septic tank."

Just to clarify in case some people are confused with all the FUD, what we just released was a good faith early access update for users of CbB, just because of the long wait since its last release. It is NOT Sonar which is a different version that we will release later (most likely as a public beta initially). The implication that this early access was rushed is doesn't make sense. This update has a very small set of changes that were made over a period of almost a year and have been widely tested internally and by beta testers. In my experience most problems that get reported with any new release tend to be either environmental or issues that are preexisting and completely unrelated to the new release. If there happen to be any NEW problems report them in the EA channel and we'll investigate them.

Why all this pointless speculation? Wait until Sonar is released and make your decision whether to buy or not based on the information given at that time. Until then, so many posts here are just uninformed guessing and spreading of FUD.

I'm glad I jumped on it when I did. No reason for anyone to feel bad about getting a deal. Izotope has made plenty of money on me. I paid $150 for Breaktweaker only to see it discounted 6 months later for $50. Nowadays, you can get it as low as $9. And that's just one example. I've overpaid Izotope on a few upgrades, only to find out that I could have gotten it cheaper by getting the advanced version of the product included with other products in production bundles like this for cheaper than my upgrade price. You win some, you lose some.

KVR Audio is doing a giveaway We will receive iZotope RX 10 Elements in about 24/48 hours, and we could get Native Instruments Komplete 14 Ultimate Collectors Edition in the giveaway Here's what you need to know If you're not part of the KVR Audio family already, no worries! Sign up for a free account. Simply fill out the entry form to enter and receive your free copy of RX Elements. The giveaway ends 30th of September so don't miss out! A random entry will be drawn at the close of the competition for the Komplete 14 Ultimate CE Giveaway and the winner will be notified within a week. Kindly note, licenses for RX Elements are issued manually, so please allow for up to 48 hours after entry to receive yours. https://www.kvraudio.com/giveaways/get-izotope-rx-elements-free-win-a-copy-of-native-instruments-komplete-14-ultimate-ce-62

Regarding bugs: in my experience, if a software is well designed, the difference is made by the support team: when things go wrong, it's up to them to give help. Regarding CW, at least in my experience, the support is outstanding.

I can vouch for that as well. A few years back I had a strange graphical issue and Noel contacted me to do a Zoom session. After we spent some time troubleshooting, he identified the problem, gave me access to a patch and then rolled the patch into the next release. It doesn't get any better than that.

I think you are reading too much into it. There is no timeline to phase it out currently so it will be around awhile. No need to be concerned, users will be given plenty of time to make up their minds whether the new Sonar is for them. 6 months is just the standard reactivation period that has been in place since the start. That said, for anyone using CbB regularly it seems like it would be a no brainer to upgrade to a product that will be supported and receive updates, instead of using an older unsupported version. Hopefully the new features and the cool new UI will be exciting to most users. The reactivation requirement is for multiple reasons - Cbb/Sonar/Next are all connected apps that integrate with the BandLab ecosystem. There are often backend changes, that require cached state to be refreshed to work properly, not very different from the reason digital certificates and cookies expire. Additionally, these changes require us to change the application to continue to work properly, which is why we occasionally need to do updates that in turn refresh activation. The other reason is to ensure that for support purposes we have users running on the latest versions.

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Here’s what Uncle E from JRR posted about the issue @kvr today: “ We put it up exactly as IZotope told us to put it up. There is no official word yet about what’s happening but our IZotope rep basically said it’s gone. If you had a license automatically issued after checkout, you’re fine. If there was no license issues at checkout, it means we will most likely have to refund you.”

I will be gone for the next 10 days! Carry on boyz! Satya...you've got the helm!

It seems the trend is pricing errors. Buy it for instant gratification, they remove it and expect your instant gratification will be willing to pay the higher price. This is happening way too much to be considered mistakes.

Porcupine Tree, rock on 😉

There is NO software out there that does this. All software has bugs, and saying "if there's bugs then it should be free" is a good way to send a company broke. I don't think anyone could name a company with complex software like this that hasn't released updates to address problems. Have a look through the change list since 2017 and the bug fix list is massive. Just look at the Early Access release and the bugs fixed between 2022.11 and now - even that is substantial. Ongoing work means ongoing staff that need to eat, right?

SONAR went from SONAR 1-8 to SONAR X1-3 to SONAR Platinum, all being new versions of the application with new features. This is no different in that regard. There's a lot of additional work that is currently going into Sonar that is not currently in Cakewalk by BandLab which absolutely constitutes it as a new version of the app.

My son (7 yo) is quite musical: he plays recorder well, he's had violin lessons, plays ukelele a little, picked up my bass guitar (and naturally played a bit like Lemmy!) and is often whistling and singing. I have a Hawkwind CD in the car for me to listen to, and he wanted to listen to it. He's now decided that a 1979 song of theirs (Shot Down In The Night) is his favourite song and he has already learned the words and wants to sing it all the time (or with me accompanying on guitar). I feel my work is done :-)

I certainly don't feel that way. I got over the Gibson debacle the day after they announced their intention to throw us to the wolves, fully prepared to stick with Splat or move to a new platform if it no longer worked. Which of course never happened. Certainly Bandlab don't owe us anything, thy can only be commended up to this point.

Most X.0 programs have an X.0.1 release shortly thereafter. Cakewalk has a history of introducing hotfixes when needed. I can personally vouch for that - several years ago I alerted Noel to a problem no one else caught, and there was a public hotfix in a week. So...yes, you have 6 months to decide if you want to go to the new Sonar, but that also means you have 6 months where you can chill and check out a somewhat later version with bug fixes. You don't have to use the very first release, you can wait for one or two "point" updates if they're needed, and see how things unfold. I look forward to seeing what the Bakers come up with. I'm encouraged that it's not being rushed to market.

I use LiberOffice...

I get a kick out of people who are given a DAW for free that on the market right now would have been $400-$?? ( go look at the prices of competing DAW's ) and then start complaining 'cuase the company has been working hard to make it as good as possible, is now ready to sell it, And.. at a reasonable price point yet! Reading this thread I see, thank goodness, most people "get it". The complainers are the people who think a bug is when things don't work right in the software. I've read a lot of those threads here like that and it seems to me it is almost 99% user error because they haven't taken the time to actually learn about the software. Seems the people who do learn about the software never complain and never have to ask dumb questions, and they also don't scream "bug" all the time. I've had to learn how to use a few new programs over the last few years, Cakewalk included, and there is endless help including both documents, videos and this forum. It is a slow process to get up to speed especially with complicated software. I don't know 10% of what Microsoft Word can do but I've used it almost everyday for 30? years. The information the Boss has shared with us in the OP and mid thread, is very good news and I'm personally looking forward to seeing what Next or Sonar will be like. Sign me up. I like what someone said about we spend a lot on money on plug ins why not the DAW--Hmm, I haven't actually spent much money on plug ins so paying for a DAW is well with in my small budget. That's what Gig money is for.

That's mean! I hope you have a nice holiday, no work, something inspirational. Enjoy it!

Is not the best price ever, but is a good price

Yeah, this. ^^ The dev team is small but would have automated tools for testing regressions, etc. as well as them being experienced and doing their own manual testing as well. Then the beta team gets it to try on their various different kinds of hardware and their own workflows, usually as part of their regular use of the software. I have no idea how big the team is, but there's no way they could pre-empt the literally thousands of combinations of hardware, software installed, driver versions, different ways of doing things, etc. that the wider userbase could come across, which is why there's the Early Access program. There will ALWAYS be bugs in complicated software like this, no matter how good the devs are, no matter how on the ball the beta team is. If this was a small or very closed ecosystem, you might have a better chance of it being lessened but even looking at Apple for example, with a very locked down ecosystem and a far smaller market share than the PC market, just looking at Logic Pro as a single random example, why is that at version 10.7.9 instead of just "new version 10?" - bug fixes and feature updates. Just like CbB has, and Sonar will have. The other thing to keep in mind is everyone's experience is unique too. I see some of the "this is unstable, what are the devs doing?!" posts and go "well I'm not seeing that" and once we dig in it turns out it's a software environment thing, or a rogue plugin, etc. and yes - in some cases, since ALL software has bugs - someone's done something in their own workflow that has uncovered a Cakewalk bug that gets put into the system to be addressed when they can. I'm personally not going to see something in, say, Matrix View because I'm not a heavy user of it, whereas someone who lives in that part of the app would have a much greater chance of coming across any bugs. I agree with Craig, I've used a lot of software and for me CbB is among some of the most stable and "bug free" software I've used - for MY combination of hardware, software and workflow. If anyone is seeing anything differently, it's absolutely your call if you want to angrily upturn a table and go to other software (and it's not a religion - you know you can use multiple DAWs or NLEs or whatever, right?), but if you enjoy working in Cakewalk and the workflow works for you, then working out the issue by showing repeatable steps to diagnose the problem to either discover the cause of this problem or have it uncover a legitimate bug that can be reported to the Bakers is something that we will all benefit from.

I got news for ya there, Sparky. All software has bugs.

Please name one bit of complex software you own that has no bugs or will never require updates (that could also potentially have bugs), especially one where the developers address those bugs for no pay. I'll wait.

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Since I am a fan of delays, I just had to give this a quick try. Some preliminary observations/opinions. Despite the Paypal "Buy now, Pay later" notice The download was instant. It didn't need an account or an e-mail link. It didn't need to be activated. It does indeed seem to be free. About the physical modeling (spiraling delay) I needed headphone. It does sound like much more is going on than simple ping-pong delay. Other The UI is simple, but functional. (You won't need a manual!) Malware Bytes and Windows Defender detected no issues (zip and unzipped). I did a simple test of the vst3 in Voltage Modular. (I did not rescan CbB yet.) Controllable Parameters are: Rotation Speed, Decay, Time, Beats, Time Mode, Stereo Amount, FIlter Frequency, Filter Width, Dry/Wet, Bypass. Most of the parameters show changes in the Plug-in's UI.

Nobody can say for sure what will happen with YOUR system. Every user case is different to the next. But I updated to the EA on the first day it was available and haven't noticed a single thing wrong with it. You WILL need to update it at some point because the existing servers which CbB use to refresh your activation will no longer be online. The way I see it, you have a choice of 4 courses of action: Update to the final release and use that. This will mean no more updates or bug fixes Upgrade to Sonar when it becomes available Revert to using X2/X3/Platinum Don't do any of the above and stop using it after a period of (max) 6 months.

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Windows is definitely enough Microsoft for me! 😆 I like to use OpenOffice, it satisfies all my requirements.

Ha ha. You're probably right. There is probably a bit of psychology going on there, and I'm sure it works on some people. We always want what we are told we can't have.

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... this is a remarkable conclusion to jump to here, I gotta say.

Maybe not the King, but you're clearly stepping up to Prince. We all appreciate you.

So, for those like me, who also didn't get the Mod and Crush pack plugins at first install; I updated Native Access, reintroduced the NI effects serial from the bundle, and now they show up in NA, ready to be installed.

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😅m no Kingo here . Have a great trip and bring Cruize Home

Will miss you!

While I can't say for 100%, these tend to not be genuine: https://office-watch.com/2022/office-365-lifetime-plans-are-a-lie/

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finally elements bundle got completed for free today

Installed! Edit: Takes a bit... It's now up and running but at still 'Loading Products'... Dang it's taking 30% of my CPU and killing my Internet bandwidth... Not seeing anything in the change log that was affecting me but always good to have the latest (usually). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Changes: 3.5.2 - 2023-09-07 Quick hotfix to address a case where a security rollout was unsupported by our NTK Daemon, blocking users from logging in. FIXED Addressed an issue where a security rollout caused users to be blocked from logging into Native Access Updated error message to link to knowledge base article for more information.

As I had stated YMMV... I indeed was way underwhelmed with its 'gazillion features'. But if you find it extremely useful then more power to you, hope it serves you well. If anyone loves the Lite version and thinks the additional features are worth the additional $15 then go for it. Don't let me or anyone else hold you back.

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I think the price point will make a difference in how it is received. Since @Noel Borthwick stated that it will be 'very affordable', makes it reassuring. We all love a free DAW but a very affordable one will be good enough I am sure. We all (mostly all?) have a budget for plugins, and probably many we do not really use, why would it be such a pain to pay some fair amount for a DAW that we love working with? And let's be honest, all software have some level of bugs or functions not working has we would like, even those that come at hefty price. Software is always a work in progress.

Yes of course. But there will be more.