Colin Nicholls Posted October 8, 2021 Author Share Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, Starship Krupa said: Errata: Track View/Disabled Control Text is not used for the data readouts in the Video Thumbnails header. It seems to only be used in the Track Folder description box, to show zeroes when there's no track of that type in the folder Track View/Control Text and Values is what is used for the data readouts in the Video Thumbnails header. I tried to reproduce this and failed. Here's what I see: Track View / Disabled Control Text: Video Thumbnail Track Control Values Track Folder Statistics "0" values (!?!) Track View / Control Text and Values: Track Folder Description Text Track Take Lane Description Text Track View / Clips Pane / Track View Clips Pane Background: Video Thumbnail track background (no video loaded) (Yup, I'll update the YLIP with this, thanks) Track View Clip Pane background (empty space below tracks) So, you're either wrong, or Cakewalk is having fun with us. Could be either. Edited October 8, 2021 by Colin Nicholls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjoens Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 You are both right! This is one of those -very odd- chameleon artifacts of Sonar/CbB's innerworkings I discovered with Duckbar. Yes, there are others. Some instances include 2 sets of colors for one attribute. My current theme: TV Unfocused Track Text = green* TV Audio Track Text = white** TV Disabled Control Text = red* TV Control Text & Values = black** *1 = when I 1st open project with preloaded theme (IN & OUT line turns green when a video is loaded) **2 = When I reselect the same theme in Preferences with no other changes (IN & OUT line stays black when a video is loaded) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Nicholls Posted October 8, 2021 Author Share Posted October 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, sjoens said: You are both right! This is one of those -very odd- chameleon artifacts of Sonar/CbB's innerworkings I discovered with Duckbar. Yes, there are others. Reminds me of the whole "Folder description background" anomaly. So, yeah, I agree that there are items that take their color from different sources depending on ... something... switching themes mid-session vs loading at start-up, etc. They are probably really low-priority bugs that never reproduce when you want them to. I guess we should document these anomalies as we find them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjoens Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) Oversight? Undersight? Intended behavior? Another caveat of Skylight not designed to be themed. Mercury doesn't expose these anomalies because it uses the same colors for both instances. The Folder BG issue existed from the beginning with X1. Edited October 8, 2021 by sjoens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Wow. we are doing some serious spelunking here. Actually, it just comes from "auditing" my themes. Since I theme as a means of taking a break from stuck projects, and after 3 1/2 years I'm still exploring features in the venerable beast, sometimes I'll open up views I never use in order to see if I missed anything. Hence the Video Thumbnails findings. I haven't used this feature in battle yet, so let it slide as long as the colors came out some shade of either green or blue, depending on the theme. 28 minutes ago, sjoens said: *1 = when I 1st open project with preloaded theme (IN & OUT line turns green when a video is loaded) **2 = When I reselect the same theme in Preferences with no other changes (IN & OUT line stays black when a video is loaded) I can't even get my head around that yet. But it seems like the obvious solution is just to make all of those color values the same, like Mercury does. I like a unified look to my themes anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjoens Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 (edited) Yeah, one more for posterity... Take Lane Description Background is un-theme-able so having black text show up there is another surprise. Don't use it so don't care. Edited September 29, 2023 by sjoens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Nicholls Posted October 10, 2021 Author Share Posted October 10, 2021 I've added some notes about @sjoens' research with respect to control values in Video Thumbnails and Take Lane description backgrounds, and uploaded the latest version of the document. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjoens Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Just found another chameleon affected by the same routine above: Loop Construction - Threshold Slider & Value text. When Loop view is disabled or 1st opened: Track View | Disabled Control Text When Loop view is active (click LOOP button): Track View | Unfocused Track Text 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Errata: p. 89 : "Step Sequencer / Step Button (Off)" and "Step Sequencer / Step Button (On)" Describing colors, they should both be Step Button Bar (Off) and Step Button Bar (On). They're used to display those "hexagrams" that appear atop active step buttons. Step Sequencer / Step Button is a a 12-cell image. All cells are used in the Sequencer, BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Nicholls Posted November 14, 2021 Author Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) On 11/13/2021 at 5:05 AM, Starship Krupa said: They're used to display those "hexagrams" that appear atop active step buttons. "hexagrams" ? Image please? Or check the latest version of YLIP to see if what I put there is sufficient. Edited November 14, 2021 by Colin Nicholls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Nicholls Posted November 14, 2021 Author Share Posted November 14, 2021 I've made some additions to the YLIP document with respect to @Starship Krupa and @sjoens's recent observations in the area of Help Module scroll bars and Step Sequencer buttons. Document version 2021-11-14 is now uploaded available. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 6 hours ago, Colin Nicholls said: "hexagrams" ? Image please? Or check the latest version of YLIP to see if what I put there is sufficient. It was late and I couldn't think of a better term for 6 horizontal lines. I throw the I Ching from time to time. Double hamburgers? You got it just right (as usual), except the term I should have used for that was "highlighted." Anyway, I'm sure that anyone who wants to delve into it now has everything they need. I am so curious to find out if anyone other than me actually does anything with Step Sequencer, as it seems that the .STH Lords as a group maybe don't spend much time working in that view? I've been going through the views I use less to see whether there's something I can add to my workflow, and that's when I get more interested in making them more attractive. Anyone up for round cells in Step Sequencer? ? The hexagrams might be an issue there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user 905133 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 I looked earlier today and saw the "interior lines" but didn't connect that with "hexagram." But then again, I was long familiar with the 3 lines that I discovered years later some people were calling a hamburger. To me it looks more like lines, but at least now I know what some people mean when they say "click on [or tap] the hamburger." I kinda like "I Ching" lines. Ch- ch- ch- CHANGES! (Plus it reminds me of my college GF of several years and her friends who introduced me to the I Ching.) Doesn't look like "double hamburgers" or even a Whopper(r). Anyhow, kudos for figuring out all those cells! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjoens Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Just too bad all graphics have to be PNG or BMP. Would be cool to throw in an animated GIF or 2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjoens Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 On 10/8/2021 at 3:16 PM, Starship Krupa said: I can't even get my head around that yet. But it seems like the obvious solution is just to make all of those color values the same, like Mercury does. I like a unified look to my themes anyway. Except in this theme I needed the TV Disabled Control Text & TV Control Text & Values to be different colors, thus the conundrum. To accommodate I had to lighten the Video background enough to see the text. No biggy for me as I never use the video track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user 905133 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, sjoens said: Just too bad all graphics have to be PNG or BMP. Would be cool to throw in an animated GIF or 2. Well, if suggestions for changes are in order, how about the ability to code the "interior lines" with I Ching patterns--different button interior patterns do different things!!! 64 different states per button!!!!! User definable states! ? Edited November 15, 2021 by User 905133 to add "user definable states" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjoens Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Found in Mercury with Normal Colors that negative TV & CV meter levels which are normally white, turn black below -100 +/- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjoens Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Though not mentioned in YLIP, the mystery Record "Q" button displays when Inspector > MIDI Input Quantize is activated. This function quantizes incoming MIDI notes so you don't need to after the fact. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Nicholls Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 I've uploaded a fresh export of the Young Lady's Illustrated Primer to Theming Cakewalk, refreshed for 2021.12 and also to address some inexplicable image distortions that found their way into the previous version. Sorry about that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I think I have a teensy addition: on p. 31, Track view/Unfocused Track Background is used for folders as well as un-selected tracks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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