pwalpwal Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 make cbb/sonar work with asio4all it would mean all the new users (bl members) could just get on with their onboard realtek and enjoy the software, sonar a great daw, like they do with next and every other daw, without having to spend money on a "pro" audio interface of course it means some code refactoring but everyone wins in the end surely? and don't just say wasapi (that's a japanese sauce :P) and if not, why not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Nicholls Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Do you know what ASIO4ALL is? Read about it here. There are reasons why Cakewalk don't recommend it. Basically because there is no way to limit Sonar's use of the ASIO4ALL to only the small subset of use cases where ASIO4ALL is a reasonable choice. Sonar simply expects more from an AISO device. Like folks say, if your Audio interface doesn't have a proprietary/native ASIO driver, you will be BETTER OFF using WDM, which Sonar ALSO SUPPORTS. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwalpwal Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, Colin Nicholls said: Do you know what ASIO4ALL is? Read about it here. There are reasons why Cakewalk don't recommend it. Basically because there is no way to limit Sonar's use of the ASIO4ALL to only the small subset of use cases where ASIO4ALL is a reasonable choice. Sonar simply expects more from an AISO device. Like folks say, if your Audio interface doesn't have a proprietary/native ASIO driver, you will be BETTER OFF using WDM, which Sonar ALSO SUPPORTS. haha, yes of course i know what asio4all is, but hey other daws like say ableton live, explicitly do recommend it, cakewalk/sonar is the only daw that has issues, i guess because it's incompatible with their driver inplemetation, which has always been windows-only, and every other daw has a cross-platform driver implementation (being cross-platform daws) cakewalk/sonar is now bundled with a social media account aimed at non-pros, so to make it work "out of the box" for teens who don't know what a "driver" would only benefit everybody so don't take a suggestion as a criticism fwiw, i've used this daw (and others) since the late 90s it's perfectly possible to make chart/successful music without a nice audio interface 🤷♀️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookiee Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 @pwalpwal can I ask why you want Cakewalk to support what was; 1. A 1990's workaround for audio interfaces that did not have a native ASIO driver? 2. A Windows XP WMD/KS driver in a wrapper to disguise itself? 3. A driver that fails Steinberg's own basic ASIO driver test? Not sure why in 2025 you want to go back to a 30 plus year old technology. Why not ask Microsoft to design a native Audio API, like the MAC Audio Units that is as efficient or more efficient than ASIO or AU? That would be a much more interesting demand. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwalpwal Posted March 2 Author Share Posted March 2 because: 1. we've asked for it for ages 2. it makes sense for new users who don;t know what a driver is (bl subs) 3. why is everyone so upset about any suggestions about change 4. if the world was run by "yes men" we'd end up... oh.. errrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoo Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 1 hour ago, Wookiee said: A driver that fails Steinberg's own basic ASIO driver test? I think you're thinking of the Realtek one; ASIO4All passes afaik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promidi Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 I sincerely hope this never happens. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will. Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 (edited) 8 hours ago, Colin Nicholls said: Do you know what ASIO4ALL is? Read about it here. There are reasons why Cakewalk don't recommend it. Basically because there is no way to limit Sonar's use of the ASIO4ALL to only the small subset of use cases where ASIO4ALL is a reasonable choice. Sonar simply expects more from an AISO device. Like folks say, if your Audio interface doesn't have a proprietary/native ASIO driver, you will be BETTER OFF using WDM, which Sonar ALSO SUPPORTS. What isnt being realised here is: Yes, it is just a wrapper, but it offers more virtual inputs than the standard driver does. There are times when im in a different city collaborating, when all we use is a laptop, Ableton or PT (yes, even protools allows it) with tons of USB midi gears like USB Mics, USB Keystations, USB Drum kits or a Midi Guitar using Asio4All. MAudio has had its "Airhub out for quite sometime now. Arturia just began intergrated such ports in their Minifuse product. Nonetheless - Asio4All do offer more flexibility than the built-in WDM and WASAPI drivers of windows thats why it is still being used. Most low bidget Behringer devices use Asio4All for this very reason. I do use it at times. When im on the plane with my laptop - for sure I use. It offers a higher buffer size too. Never had an issue with it AS IN NEVER. So, not sure why its seen as an issue with Cakewalk. Edited March 3 by Will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bass Guitar Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 5 hours ago, Wookiee said: 1. A 1990's workaround for audio interfaces that did not have a native ASIO driver? Exactly! It was a band aid solution in the day's when a Sound Blaster was one of the few audio cards sold in local stores. It has served it's purpose up until Windows updated the audio drivers to the new WASAPI modes. This has made asio4all totally obsolete. The argument that new users need it is totally unfounded. Why? Just last week or so I installed Sonar on a W10 Laptop. Sonar worked right out of the box and checking in preferences it was using WASAPI shared mode. So why would a new user need a 3rd party lower quality audio driver? Sonar/ Cakewalk are tested with WASAPI 100%. And if there's no ASIO driver installed it knows what to do. It seems the only time people end up using asio4all is because some Chinese manufacture's of crap interfaces sometimes recommend it. They should have tried WASAPI first! If a Audio device doesn't support WASAPI it's a total POS. Toss it out. But that said it is true that Cakewalk/Sonar is possibly the only Daw that barfs on Generic ASIO drivers.Last Summer I had installed Cubase demo so of course that gets you the dreaded Steinberg Generic ASIO driver. At the time I was avoiding Sonar as I tested a bunch of other DAW's. A month probably went by using a few other Daw's without issue, They all used my Motu interface. Actually only Cubase asked if I wanted to use it's driver which I ignored and didn't register what this meant. I was totally unaware the Generic driver was installed until the day I opened Sonar and noticed it had taken over! Go figure. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Quote A 1990's workaround for audio interfaces that did not have a native ASIO driver? Quote What started as a bedroom project in early 2003 – for the sole purpose to get ASIO support for the AC97 on my laptop – has become ASIO4ALL Copyright © Michael Tippach So is ASIO4ALL from the 1990s? or from 2000s? Sorry, I am so old I can't remember dates; it just seems like it was around forever. Maybe I have some old hard drives from when I used to have Sound Blaster Cards? Maybe they will still work in some old PC I have collecting dust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberwolf Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 4 hours ago, User 905133 said: Maybe I have some old hard drives Do any of them have card-edge connectors? (I don't still have my 5MB Tandon....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol_Jonesey Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 14 hours ago, pwalpwal said: because: 1. we've asked for it for ages 2. it makes sense for new users who don;t know what a driver is (bl subs) 3. why is everyone so upset about any suggestions about change 4. if the world was run by "yes men" we'd end up... oh.. errrr Who's "we"? I've never seen anyone specifically asking for ASIO4ALL support New users have a responsibility to themselves for at least researching the topic - I did and have never had a driver problem Because you're advocating a return to 30 year old technology which never worked properly. And besides, "upset" is a bit of a stretch, more concerned ????????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwalpwal Posted Monday at 04:16 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 04:16 PM i promise never to mention asio4all ever again (maybe admin can add it it to the ***** list) 😘 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookiee Posted Monday at 06:28 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:28 PM 2 hours ago, pwalpwal said: i promise never to mention asio4all ever again (maybe admin can add it it to the ***** list) 😘 Then we will consider the matter closed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted Monday at 08:25 PM Share Posted Monday at 08:25 PM Read this. There will soon be no need for wrapper ASIO drivers since Microsoft is adding an inbox ASIO driver which does things the correct way without hosing other applications. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/windows-music-dev/making-music-on-windows/ 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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