DeeringAmps Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 10 hours ago, Mark Morgon-Shaw said: if the only way is a subscription plan then will you still always use it? I’ve already made that decision; I’m a Sonar user… t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Boog Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 Im still on CbB. If Cakewalk Sonar had a reasonable one time purchase option(which I could swear they were assuring us they would), Id buy it immediately. But the subscription thing is MASSIVE turnoff to me and I feel jerked around by all the inconsistent/indecisive messaging. I like the Cakewalk daw and Id like to stay loyal to the Cakewalk team but forcing a subscription has me making plans elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Morgon-Shaw Posted November 25 Author Share Posted November 25 Okay so Mike has doubled down and gone into more detail in a new video....Very interesting and chimes with my thoughts on the marketing side of things. Have linked it at the most interesting part 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted Wednesday at 10:30 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:30 PM (edited) On 11/16/2024 at 7:03 PM, T Boog said: Im still on CbB. If Cakewalk Sonar had a reasonable one time purchase option(which I could swear they were assuring us they would), Id buy it immediately. But the subscription thing is MASSIVE turnoff to me and I feel jerked around by all the inconsistent/indecisive messaging. I like the Cakewalk daw and Id like to stay loyal to the Cakewalk team but forcing a subscription has me making plans elsewhere. I think at this point, if Bandlab gave us the option for a perpetual license, the number of people that would buy it might pay the bills for the developers for maybe a month. After that, then what? They will still be dependent on the rental revenue or as a loss leader. Why bother. I think they are best off just sticking to their original decision for rental only. That is either financially successful or it’s not. Edited Wednesday at 10:33 PM by Terry Kelley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Young Posted Thursday at 12:20 AM Share Posted Thursday at 12:20 AM 1 hour ago, Terry Kelley said: I think at this point, if Bandlab gave us the option for a perpetual license, the number of people that would buy it might pay the bills for the developers for maybe a month. After that, then what? They will still be dependent on the rental revenue or as a loss leader. Why bother. I think they are best off just sticking to their original decision for rental only. That is either financially successful or it’s not. So this must be about few people use the software to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted Thursday at 02:15 AM Share Posted Thursday at 02:15 AM I don’t know. There were a lot of people on the old forum and now here, but the current numbers are unknown. I just believe that Bandlab’s future is more driven by new subscriptions to their service vs old users. It appears many moved on and that why I believe the revenue from sales might be low. Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwenT Posted Friday at 04:47 PM Share Posted Friday at 04:47 PM People saying that Pro Tools is the number one DAW and is also subscription based are missing a couple of points, I think. Pro-Tools only stopped perpetual licenses in 2022. They had decades to build a strong base and reputation. More importantly Pro Tools targets the professional recording market, people who work with it for a living, which means they can claim the subscription as a work related expense come tax time. No way I am going to be recouping any costs from my dingy basement studio. PS, I've been running Mixcraft Pro alongside Cakewalk for the last year and am ready to make the switch. Moving on... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettelus Posted Friday at 08:20 PM Share Posted Friday at 08:20 PM On 11/25/2024 at 3:43 PM, Mark Morgon-Shaw said: Have linked it at the most interesting part Wow, that is a rather brutal assessment IMO. Bandlab ignores him (i.e., "help me to help you"), yet Bandlab's competitors are reaching out to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Morgon-Shaw Posted Friday at 09:15 PM Author Share Posted Friday at 09:15 PM 54 minutes ago, mettelus said: Wow, that is a rather brutal assessment IMO. Bandlab ignores him (i.e., "help me to help you"), yet Bandlab's competitors are reaching out to him. I know right ? And really it confirms what I've felt since this Cakewalk Sonar announcement. The Devs are beavering away but whoever decides how this DAW is sold and marketed doesn't really seem to be at all connected to the users. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Boog Posted Friday at 11:15 PM Share Posted Friday at 11:15 PM 1 hour ago, Mark Morgon-Shaw said: whoever decides how this DAW is sold and marketed doesn't really seem to be at all connected to the users. And sadly that goes against the whole concept of community. Heck, I get more ticked off for OTHER users here(esp the long time Sonar faithful) than for myself. Like the current Bandlab subscription sale. Which, if I understand right, doesn't apply to current subscribers. HOW IS THAT GOOD BUSINESS?! All that's good for is sowing discontent. And the bakers end up getting undeserved backlash too. Cakewalk is a great daw with a great tech team but yeah, the owners & marketing seem to be out of touch or just uncaring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted Saturday at 12:56 AM Share Posted Saturday at 12:56 AM (edited) I rented Sonar early on for 15 days and then let it lapse. I just got my first discount offer which is this Black Friday sale. I didn’t even get a come-on like others have mentioned until this. Maybe they are now trying to bring in the early people that didn’t continue like me. Edited Saturday at 12:57 AM by Terry Kelley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Morgon-Shaw Posted Saturday at 09:28 AM Author Share Posted Saturday at 09:28 AM 8 hours ago, Terry Kelley said: Maybe they are now trying to bring in the early people that didn’t continue like me. Or maybe they are not hitting the numbers they expected. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ If everything is wrapped up in one al encompassing BL membership do they even know who's using the various Apps it includes? Maybe it doesn't matter to them whether it's the existing Sonar users or new Bandlab / Next users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted Saturday at 01:07 PM Share Posted Saturday at 01:07 PM (edited) 3 hours ago, Mark Morgon-Shaw said: Or maybe they are not hitting the numbers they expected. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ If everything is wrapped up in one al encompassing BL membership do they even know who's using the various Apps it includes? Maybe it doesn't matter to them whether it's the existing Sonar users or new Bandlab / Next users. I think they go together. It’s probably a long haul. Edited Saturday at 01:20 PM by Terry Kelley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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