Johnbee58 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) Simple question. No need to start a major war by any ignorant people. Forgive me that I just gleaned through the now closed 35 + page thread about the upcoming new products so I may have missed it, but how will we be informed when Cakewalk Next and Cakewalk Sonar will become available? Will it be through the Bandlab Assistant, or an email or some other way? Again, simple question. Would greatly appreciate a simple answer. I don't mean to sound so blunt, but lately on this forum some questions are met with such caustic ignorance by a small handful of people here (claiming to be "helpful"). Frankly, it's gotten to the point where I'm almost afraid to ask anything. Thanks ?John B Edited August 1, 2023 by Johnbee58 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tim Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 I'd assume it'll be in the Product Release Info section, and be in-app as a Toast Message as always, like any other update. Being a final release, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a little bit said about it by the Bakers once it finally drops. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user 905133 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Johnbee58 said: Simple question. No need to start a major war by any ignorant people. Forgive me that I just gleaned through the now closed 35 + page thread about the upcoming new products so I may have missed it, but how will we be informed when Cakewalk Next and Cakewalk Sonar will become available? Will it be through the Bandlab Assistant, or an email or some other way? Again, simple question. Would greatly appreciate a simple answer. I don't mean to sound so blunt, but lately on this forum some questions are met with such caustic ignorance by a small handful of people here (claiming to be "helpful"). Frankly, it's gotten to the point where I'm almost afraid to ask anything. [emphasis added to call out insulting language used by the OP] Sorry if you misinterpreted my post(s) as caustic and you think of me as ignorant. (Not really an apology; saying "sorry" in an insincere statement is something I have seen other people do. Never liked that, but now I see that sometimes such a response is appropriate). I take offence at your use of name-calling / insults. Your phraseology belies any claims about your asking a "simple question" and not wanting to stir up "a major war." Edited August 1, 2023 by User 905133 added a line about the OP's phraseology; added "[emphasis added]" to quote in the interest of clarity 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tim Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 The crappy thing about forums is that sometimes the written word comes across in entirely the wrong way, not to mention language barriers too. I know I've definitely been caught up in the "you said WHAT about me?!" loop and then had a phone call with the person later and it was like "oh no, sorry, I didn't mean it like that at all!" and I'll admit I've been on both sides of that too over the years. How's about we start with a clean slate on this thread and put it all down to a misunderstanding? EDIT: For the record, I don't think anyone should feel like they shouldn't ask a question about anything on the forum. I think we all get a little fatigued by some of the same questions sometimes, though, which isn't really the fault of the question asker. Perhaps there needs to be a couple of threads that we can just refer to as links to save any misunderstood tone in replies? 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user 905133 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) How will we be informed when Cakewalk Next and Cakewalk Sonar are available? Will it be through the Bandlab Assistant, or an email or some other way? Edited August 1, 2023 by User 905133 grammatical correction 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tim Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 That's a good question! No insider knowledge on this at all, but I'd say that we'll get the same post in the Product Release Info thread and likely a sticky post too. Since Next is opening up to beta testing, it wouldn't surprise me if there was some kind of Early Access thing for it (and Sonar?) as well. The Toast Messages in CbB could also be a good way to let users who aren't on here know there's a new product line as well, of course. Bandlab Assistant is kind of deprecated at this point, so I'm not sure if we'd see anything through that - it's all preferentially handled in-app in CbB now. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user 905133 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Good point that once beta testing is done the new products might be open to Early Access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 @User 905133 thanks for re-posting the question in a polite format. @Lord TimThat’s what I figured. Not sure what the rules are for people beta testing. Are they expected to keep silent or are the testers allowed to make open comments in the early access forum? I signed up for Next but haven’t gotten any mail yet. Are people testing already? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted August 1, 2023 Author Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, User 905133 said: Sorry if you misinterpreted my post(s) as caustic and you think of me as ignorant. (Not really an apology; saying "sorry" in an insincere statement is something I have seen other people do. Never liked that, but now I see that sometimes such a response is appropriate). I take offence at your use of name-calling / insults. Your phraseology belies any claims about your asking a "simple question" and not wanting to stir up "a major war." Who said anything about you? I wasn't talking about you. I had nothing against you until now. You're not the one I was complaining about. How did you come to that conclusion? Edited August 1, 2023 by Johnbee58 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user 905133 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Johnbee58 said: Who said anything about you? I wasn't talking about you. Thank you for clarifying that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted August 1, 2023 Author Share Posted August 1, 2023 It doesn't matter to me anymore. I've just decided that I've had enough of Cakewalk. The product is fine but there are just too many people on this forum that I've gotten tired of over the years. Byron Dickens gets away with making trouble on almost every forum he posts on and seems to get away with it. I'm just reacting to mainly his type of hostility. In 2019 I posted a question that a (now) moderator misunderstood and raked me over the coals over it. The product' great and so are the creators but I can't stand this forum anymore. I'll be buying FL Studio. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tim Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 13 minutes ago, JohnnyV said: Not sure what the rules are for people beta testing. Are they expected to keep silent or are the testers allowed to make open comments in the early access forum? I've beta tested a few things over the years for different companies and there's strict NDA agreements that you have to sign to be added to the team, which makes a lot of sense. A lot of the time companies even discourage you from mentioning you're even testing just so you don't let anything slip accidentally. I'm not sure what the Bakers have planned for Next - I'm sure there's an internal testing team already for the existing products so far (as is mentioned in a few of the Early Access threads) but this sounds like it'll be something else - I could be wrong about that, of course. From what I'm seeing around the forum, I don't think anyone has been contacted yet about this stuff, so it's all kind of conjecture and guesses on my part at this point, but I'd say it will come down to what ever is in the user's agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tim Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Just now, Johnbee58 said: The product' great and so are the creators but I can't stand this forum anymore. I'll be buying FL Studio. This is your call, of course, but it would be a shame to ditch a product that you like because you don't like a couple of people on a forum. You have a whole learning curve ahead of you for a different product and no guarantee there won't be a bunch of jerks there too. Listen, I'm still a n00b mod here so I'm sure other senior mods and admins will have more to say about this than me, but I personally think it's a shame that anyone would get run off the forum because of harassment, and I'd encourage you to report anyone giving you a hard time. There's kind of a warning system set up for people who don't play by the rules constantly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted August 1, 2023 Author Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) As I said, I really don't enjoy being hostle to anybody, but apparently not all of us feel that way. I was merely trying to protect myself from a response like "This was addressed in the thread. Can't you read?" by a certain troublemaker. If we wouldn't have such rude people on this forum we could all get along better. But, sadly the moderators seem to allow it. With the exception of the aforementioned Mr. D, I apologize to anyone I've offended here. ?John B Edit: Still considering Cakewalk. I just wish I could feel free to ask a question without feeling like I have to proactively protect myself from the rude responses from certain kinds of "helpful" people. ? Edited August 1, 2023 by Johnbee58 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user 905133 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Johnbee58 said: It doesn't matter to me anymore. I've just decided that I've had enough of Cakewalk. The product is fine but there are just too many people on this forum that I've gotten tired of over the years. [redacted] gets away with making trouble on almost every forum he posts on and seems to get away with it. I'm just reacting to mainly his type of hostility. . . . [redacted by User 905133] Ohhhhhhh. Now I remember that thread. I thought that had been resolved. I guess I was wrong. 31 minutes ago, Johnbee58 said: As I said, I really don't enjoy being hostle to anybody, but apparently not all of us feel that way. I was merely trying to protect myself from a response like "This was addressed in the thread. Can't you read?" by a certain troublemaker. If we wouldn't have such rude people on this forum we could all get along better. But, sadly the moderators seem to allow it. With the exception of the aforementioned [redacted] I apologize to anyone I've offended here. [redacted by User 905133] I stand by my belief that all of that baggage did not need to be brought up in asking the question here. Peace. Edited August 1, 2023 by User 905133 (2) personal references removed [redated] so as not to repeat the reference; (1) quotation # 1 truncated for the sake of clarity 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Boileau Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Am I wrong to just believe that the bakers will simply post on this forum when it is available and give us all the details on how to install it? I just don't need to worry anymore than read this forum like I always do and I am confident I will be informed. Noel and others have always communicated effectively through this forum when new stuff is available. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted August 1, 2023 Author Share Posted August 1, 2023 I wish I could feel that is wasn't either. AsI said, I was protecting myself. See how much trouble one rude person can cause? And no, that 2019 issue wasn't resolved because John never apologized to me like a man would. If he would care to apologize to me for misunderstanding my question that day I could be quite forgiving. I would be glad to give the link as the thread is still there. JB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted August 1, 2023 Author Share Posted August 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jacques Boileau said: Am I wrong to just believe that the bakers will simply post on this forum when it is available and give us all the details on how to install it? I just don't need to worry anymore than read this forum like I always do and I am confident I will be informed. Noel and others have always communicated effectively through this forum when new stuff is available. I'm sure they will. Just wanted know HOW. ?JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tim Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 I say let's move on Sometimes a PM to a user can do wonders for clearing the air. There's actually been some good to come out of this thread with a good discussion about releases, betas, etc. so rather than let it get into the dirt and get locked, let's focus on the great question in the first post. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted August 1, 2023 Author Share Posted August 1, 2023 Yeah. I'm willing. Let's keep it friendly. I shouldn't have made it the way I did. I apologize to all. I shouldn't have stooped to "their level". ?John B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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