Tenfoot Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 A bit of a trip down memory lane with some of these posts! I used Cakewalk products from the 12 tone days, only jumping ship with the demise of Sonar Mk1 at the hands of Gibson. Great to see that Noel is still at the helm! It will certainly be interesting to see where cakewalk goes now. Whilst I am old school and no fan of subscription models like Adobe, Sonars previous model (with the possible exception of the 11th hour lifetime subscription :) was very fair. You really subscribed to the updates, not the program. All the best to the Cakewalk team and now apparently immense user base for the future. Sonar rides again! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keni Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Quinellipe Zorn said: I'm not sure if that's rhetorical or a literal question, and if it's for me or the OP asked the similar question. But if literal to me as asking whether I think that the situation is akin to Disney taking over Star Wars and that Disney, in that situation, should realize (whatever they decide) that they have to deal with the notion they take responsibility for the whole legacy of it, then, yes, I think it is similar as to the nature of the question/situation, though a key difference is, of course, the sort of industry and how that impacts expectations: in the Disney/Star Wars case there's the whole additional question of the production of a story/narrative/mythos and questions around individual artistic expressions, etc.. But, yes, I suppose it's similar, and, if we were talking about Disney and Star Wars, I would raise the same sort of question as shouldn't Disney expect to inherit all the issues of Star Wars, even though they didn't create those issues, again noting that this can still be totally unfair. Do you believe that if Disney does something with Star Wars that the public doesn't like, that George Lucas would be held responsible? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjoens Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 On 6/8/2023 at 3:08 PM, Bruno de Souza Lino said: And I did download Mixcraft 10 to see it and, see for yourself. This is the default scaling on a 1440x900 display: After a closer comparison with MX9 I found there was no discernable difference in appearance at normal scale. But MX10 looks slightly better when scaled internally or by Windows. SVG files are often smaller than PNGs. In MX10, SVG files are interchangeable with PNGs or even RGB colors... so theme editing isn't a total loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Na4tmahr Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Goodbye CbB. You've been my best friend for a long time, but we're going to have to break up. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstrEd Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 36 minutes ago, Na4tmahr said: Goodbye CbB. You've been my best friend for a long time, but we're going to have to break up. Going on the the "Next" one Hope the Audio ins purer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Na4tmahr Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, InstrEd said: Переходя на "Next" one, надеюсь, что звук станет чище No, thanks. Next is the web version. It cannot work with VST and VSTi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 48 minutes ago, Na4tmahr said: Goodbye CbB. You've been my best friend for a long time, but we're going to have to break up. If you are serious, I hope you saw that we will be able to continue to use CbB. It just won't have any updates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scook Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 27 minutes ago, Na4tmahr said: 37 minutes ago, InstrEd said: Переходя на "Next" one, надеюсь, что звук станет чище No, thanks. Next is the web version. It cannot work with VST and VSTi This is incorrect Cakewalk Next is a native Windows/Mac program that supports VST2/3 format plug-ins. BandLab Technologies has a group who make a web-based DAW called BandLab. This is not a Cakewalk product. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno de Souza Lino Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 8 hours ago, Quinellipe Zorn said: I imagine it's trial-ballooning a bit, and I hope that Bandlab is hearing how many want a "perpetual" license and that many support the notion of paying an "annual" fee only once (or in installments) resulting in said "perpetual" license. Until more information is added in by Bandlab/Cakewalk themselves, I still think they're testing the waters to see how much damage control will be necessary to be done when they invariably introduce a subscription plan for both. Because "fair pricing for everyone" tells you everything you need to know about how the pricing scheme will go, which is a whole lot of nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelhanson Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 43 minutes ago, User 905133 said: If you are serious, I hope you saw that we will be able to continue to use CbB. It just won't have any updates. The website says that CbB will continue to operate but will not be supported. That sounds like a bit of a roll of the dice to me. Eventually, you’ll have to do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelhanson Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said: Until more information is added in by Bandlab/Cakewalk themselves, I still think they're testing the waters to see how much damage control will be necessary to be done when they invariably introduce a subscription plan for both. Because "fair pricing for everyone" tells you everything you need to know about how the pricing scheme will go, which is a whole lot of nothing. If you’ve been around Cakewalk/Sonar/ Home Studio/ Twelve Notes for over 20 years, this is exactly what they do….dip their toe in the water to test the reaction. Unfortunately what that does is creates all the controversy that we are seeing. Edited June 10, 2023 by michaelhanson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scook Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, michaelhanson said: The website says that CbB will continue to operate but will not be supported. That sounds like a bit of a roll of the dice to me. Eventually, you’ll have to do something. This is true. There are those who are still rolling the dice with pre-X series SONAR and I occassionally read something from a ProAudio fan...30+ years and going. I prefer something a little more modern. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelhanson Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, scook said: This is true. There are those who are still rolling the dice with pre-X series SONAR and I occassionally read something from a ProAudio fan...30+ years and going. I prefer something a little more modern. Yup, and they are still running Windows 7. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Richards Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, scook said: This is true. There are those who are still rolling the dice with pre-X series SONAR and I occassionally read something from a ProAudio fan...30+ years and going. I prefer something a little more modern. I agree. As much as I like free and paid for a lifetime of Cakewalk, I am sure I will purchase Sonar. As a side note, I always felt Cakewalk sounded like a grade school program and Sonar had the sound of some hip high-tech professional program only the hip could people use. I use 2 monitors, one being 4K, and can’t wait to really see what Sonar in 4K will look like, especially since I use orchestral programs that add up and I’m constantly scrolling up and down the page. Also, I am a big Noel fan and have great trust in him. He’s a smart man and plays a mean guitar. Michael 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) 43 minutes ago, michaelhanson said: The website says that CbB will continue to operate but will not be supported. That sounds like a bit of a roll of the dice to me. Eventually, you’ll have to do something. SONAR X1 still works on my XP SP3 PC; SONAR X3 (and some pre-X versions of SONAR) work on my Windows 10 Pro PCs. Unless Noel or someone official has announced what will happen with activation (will it still be required?) that is an open issue. My guess (100% speculation) is that re-activation for existing licenses will be required. It seems like a logical way to make sure that only existing users of CbB can continue to use it. But maybe the development team has something else in mind. In any case, (1) I accept what they have said (it will continue to be available to existing users) and (2) I will wait until they announce what will happen with re-activation. To me, not being supported means no updates, no bug fixes. My "elders" had a saying that was passed down to later generations, "Don't borrow trouble." For me its a variation of "I'll cross that bridge when we get there." ? But you are right--at some point, someone might complain about having to re-activate CbB and the owner (current or future) might stop the activation server. Based on what has happened over the past 5 years, I am choosing to wait and see. I understand that some people might want to jump ship. That's fair in my opinion. We each have to make our own decisions. As for me, I have considerably less income than I did when I was into purchasing new versions of Cakewalk/SONAR. Depending on the pricing structure, I might not be able to afford either of the new products. So, I do understand where people are coming from. Edited June 10, 2023 by User 905133 fixed typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.r Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, michaelhanson said: Yup, and they are still running Windows 7. ? Personally I don't see anything funny about still running Windows 7. Windows 10 is nothing but a headache coming back on a regular basis, at least for me. Windows 7 and previous versions were more like 'set and forget', that gave me peace of mind for years where I wasn't distracted with all the buzz about new forced updates braking compatibility or functionality of software, subscriptions or nagging screens to create accounts, updates to the DAWs or plugins for fixing what the windows update broke apart from new features, next windows update going in the background during Cakewalk session... eventually Windows 7 will have to die due to being left unsupported anymore by all the software that is under pressure to move on, same will probably happen to CbB. It was good while it lasted Edited June 10, 2023 by chris.r 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InstrEd Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, User 905133 said: As for me, I have considerably less income than I did when I was into purchasing new versions of Cakewalk/SONAR. Depending on the pricing structure, I might not be able to afford either of the new products. So, I do understand where people are coming from. Yep only so much money to go around and so I shall wait and see what the new Cakewalk offers to me as a consumer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelhanson Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, User 905133 said: My "elders" had a saying that was passed down to later generations, "Don't borrow trouble." For me its a variation of "I'll cross that bridge when we get there." ? But you are right--at some point, someone might complain about having to re-activate CbB and the owner (current or future) might stop the activation server. Based on what has happened over the past 5 years, I am choosing to wait and see. I understand that some people might want to jump ship. That's fair in my opinion. We each have to make our own decisions. As for me, I have considerably less income than I did when I was into purchasing new versions of Cakewalk/SONAR. Depending on the pricing structure, I might not be able to afford either of the new products. So, I do understand where people are coming from. Well, I probably would be considered an elder. We have many sayings, that we pull out base on the situation and points we are trying to get across. I might counter that with "I am reading the writing on the wall". Here is the thing, it all comes down to what Sonar by Cakewalk decides to do as it's business model. I said that 20+ pages ago. They haven't said what they are going to do other than hint at a payment model and making pricing fair. I did jump ship back in the Gibson fiasco. I run CbB, Studio One and Harrison Mix Bus; tried out several others as well. I'm going to limit how many DAW's I am paying for and continue to pay for the ones that offer the best options for me. Most of the people I still collaborate with run Sonar, so its handy to have it around. Right now, it seems like Studio One is light years ahead of Sonar. I am extremely familiar with Sonar, having used it for over 20+ years, I operate in Sonar without even thinking about it. That's what has kept me using it, its very familiar and natural to work in, because I grew up with it. Edited June 10, 2023 by michaelhanson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keni Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, chris.r said: Personally I don't see anything funny about still running Windows 7. Windows 10 is nothing but a headache coming back on a regular basis, at least for me. Windows 7 and previous versions were more like 'set and forget', that gave me peace of mind for years where I wasn't distracted with all the buzz about new forced updates braking compatibility or functionality of software, subscriptions or nagging screens to create accounts, updates to the DAWs or plugins for fixing what the windows update broke apart from new features, next windows update going in the background during Cakewalk session... eventually Windows 7 will have to die due to being left unsupported anymore by all the software that is under pressure to move on, same will happen to CbB. It was good while it lasted Yeah. Here too, but for me I (was) sruck at Windows 8.1 I hated 8, but 8.1 is excellent! I was happy not going to win10 but just recently migrated to new machine bound with win10 and other than current support from all vendors (again at last, but soon to be dropped again. This machine is trapped at win10), I still dislike win10 from the getgo! My win8.1 machine is still intact except for the waves debacle losing my Abbey Road Studio 3... but I think I’m derailing the thread so I apologize... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.r Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Keni said: My win8.1 machine is still intact except for the waves debacle losing my Abbey Road Studio 3... Melodyne is another example. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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