Keni Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, chris.r said: Melodyne is another example. Yeah, I was trapped at Melodyne 4 until win10 which will now be trapped there as Celemony is probably about to release Melodyne 6! Forced obsolescence! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelhanson Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 31 minutes ago, chris.r said: Melodyne is another example. My point exactly. I wasn’t making fun of Windows 7. Fact is that it is obsolete. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) deleted, off topic mybad Edited June 10, 2023 by DeeringAmps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline_UK Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 I shall no doubt buy whatever comes next. Although, it does involve an act of faith: I understand the Sonar about to be launched is what I already have but with re-jigged better graphics, which is nice, but that's it for the time being. But my experience with the guys at the heart of this product tells me it's ok to make that leap of faith, so I will. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Lord Tim said: remember that CbB is pretty much SPlat with years worth of fixes (There fixed it for you) BandLab has more than “paid” Henry’s debt to all of us that bought “lifetime” updates. (Anyone that doesn’t see that “free” updates for the “life” of any product is an unrealistic business model; well, there’s one born every minute…) Its time to “man up” and throw some coin in the hat and keep this going forward. CbB is Sonar (always has been) and now will be labeled Sonar again. Your cwp and wrk projects are safe. Two questions remain: 1) How long will CbB work after “Sonar” is released? 2) How much will Sonar cost? (my guess is that whatever the price you will have a 12 month payment option. Not really a “subscription”, just a time payment “plan”) but what do I know? so we can all stop wringing our collective hands and suggesting what the company should do, et cetera, et cetera. And please stay on topic! The thread downstairs was closed because some just couldn’t behave in a civil manner. That is all… t 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Graf Tronmusik Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Wird die Bamd Lab Version für Antroid weiter bestehen wird man es weiter kostenlos nutzen können. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scook Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Peter Graf said: Bamd Lab Version für Antroid is a DAW made by a different group within BandLab Technologies, It is not a Cakewalk product and not part of the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc23 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, DeeringAmps said: BandLab has more than “paid” Henry’s debt to all of us that bought “lifetime” updates. (Anyone that doesn’t see that “free” updates for the “life” of any product is an unrealistic business model; well, there’s one born every minute…) No, there´s no debt payed whatsoever. Off the top of my head, I can think of at least one daw that is doing lifetime updates, and it has been around for maybe 20 years or so, and a plugin company doing the same for the last seven or eight years or so. So, that business model is real. Anyone that doesn´t see that, well, they can´t see. 11 minutes ago, DeeringAmps said: (my guess is that whatever the price you will have a 12 month payment option. Not really a “subscription”, just a time payment “plan”) Again, no. That "12 month payment option and then no more updates" is a subscription model. After those 12 months, one will be left with a daw in the same state as what CbB will be, that is, a daw frozen in time, with no updates, no support. If one has to pay again (and again) to receive more updates and support, then it is, in fact, a subscription. Anyone that doesn´t want to see that, is just deluding themselves. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 minute ago, kc23 said: Anyone that doesn´t want to see that, is just deluding themselves I guess we will have to “agree” to “disagree” 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Graf Tronmusik Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) Ok danke für die Informationen Edited June 10, 2023 by Peter Graf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scook Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, Peter Graf said: Wird es auf Antroid Plattformen weiterhin Band Lab heißen wird es auf Antroid und auch ein kostenlosen Account geben?? This product (the web-based DAW called BandLab that runs on a variety of platforms including Android) is made by a completely different group at BandLab Technologies. It has nothing to do with Cakewalk or this thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Morgon-Shaw Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 15 hours ago, Quinellipe Zorn said: Re "Update the workflow in several areas where things haven't moved in years. Other DAWs have much easier ways to do various things." - I'd love to hear what things people want in this regard. Off the top of my head .... 1. Proper sampler / sample based workflow 2. Chord track 3. Easier hardware integration for control surfaces etc 4. Negative offset 5. Bar zero 6. Spatial Audio Ready 7. Remote Control 8. Varispeed 9. Retrospective Midi Record 10. Scale constrain 11. MPE Supprt 12. Bounce/Renderin Place 13. Loudness Metering 14. Updated Browser 15. Scratch Pads 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.r Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 16. Updated MIDI editing. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 "2. Chord track" & "14. Updated Browser" should be considered at the same time. Minding "previews" based on Chord Track from browser. +1 16. Updated MIDI editing. ------------------- Chord track had been a very popular request. Hopefully we will see that in new Sonar some time in near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Major Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) Having been with Cakewalk since the mid-90s, buying all the updates until X1 and 2, but including X3, I have to say that the phrase "UI refresh" strikes dread into my heart. I will certainly buy they're refresh if it is a reasonable price in keeping with established norms, but, again, the phrase strikes dread in my heart. Some of those Gibson updates were extremely frustrating for established users. Edited June 11, 2023 by TK Major Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres Medina Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 There is one that I know has some DAW that frankly don't know which one is: The ability to create multiple independent "Flows" - Versions, built into the same file. I mean, configure your VST's and try 4-5-6 different sketches with different tempos, Time Signatures, Arrangement Sections, etc. Very handy for the composition process. Right now I have to save each Draft as an individual separate file (Project XX v1 - Project XX v2 - Project XX v2 with horns - Project XX v3 incomplete but promising ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarianoGF Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) I think Sonar should come from day 1 with many interesting extra features in comparison with CbB. Otherwise, who will spend some hundreds in a program that is exactly the same as CbB but with better GUI? That can lead the users to buy Sonar just when the difference with CbB is considerable (maybe one or two years after its release). How much time Sonar could stand being purchased by very few people, because it's almost the same as the free CbB? Edited June 11, 2023 by MarianoGF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Wynn Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 How about something like a built-in Audiogridder ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Jones Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 On 6/7/2023 at 1:21 PM, Lord Tim said: The flagship product of the Cakewalk company was an application called SONAR Platinum. I've been reading this thread for days and you're the first to note that "Sonar" is not the same as "SONAR." Thanks for saving me from having to write a pedantic post taking note of this (probably meaningless) distinction. Or is it meaningless? Perhaps we need clarification from @Meng... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keni Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Andres Medina said: There is one that I know has some DAW that frankly don't know which one is: The ability to create multiple independent "Flows" - Versions, built into the same file. I mean, configure your VST's and try 4-5-6 different sketches with different tempos, Time Signatures, Arrangement Sections, etc. Very handy for the composition process. Right now I have to save each Draft as an individual separate file (Project XX v1 - Project XX v2 - Project XX v2 with horns - Project XX v3 incomplete but promising ... Isn’t that what workspaces was created to do? I don’t use them myself so I’m not very knowledgeable on their abilities and limitations . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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