Show Clip Outlines in Tungsten and derivatives

[Starship Krupa]

As the author of a Tungsten-based theme, I'm kind of puzzled about how in PRV, the only themes where I can notice the effect of View/Show Clip Outlines are the lighter ones.

Mercury, MIL-SPEC Alpha, other lighter themes both show the clip outlines as an overlay.

There seems to be some way to set this, as I see that Flat White Matcha and MIL-SPEC Alpha differ slightly, but I can't find it in TE or TYLIP.

Also, in PRV, when a track is armed for recording, the view background and clip take on a pinkish hue. This seems to be universal, in every theme I can find, but has anyone figured out how to change it?

[Colin Nicholls]

1 hour ago, Starship Krupa said:

 I'm kind of puzzled about how in PRV, the only themes where I can notice the effect of View/Show Clip Outlines are the lighter ones.

Mercury, MIL-SPEC Alpha, other lighter themes both show the clip outlines as an overlay.

There seems to be some way to set this, as I see that Flat White Matcha and MIL-SPEC Alpha differ slightly, but I can't find it in TE or TYLIP.

It definitely uses the "Clip Background" color as a tint, e.g. I get brown/grey outlines in STEAMPUNK, which uses a dark brown background for clips.

In TUNGSTEN I can't see anything, until I select the clips and manually set their backgrounds to a light color, i.e:

 

It's a shame that TUNGSTEN, being a canonical default theme, uses a color combination that renders the clip outlines invisible. But I guess (I know) it's hard to cover every possible case and still have something aesthetically pleasing.

 

[Starship Krupa]

Clip outlines in the PRV are not a big deal for me, but it did have me puzzled that Tungsten wasn't showing them.

The tint that tracks take on when they are armed for recording is something I'm interested in because I like to reduce ambiguity, and the shift to a slight dusty rose tint doesn't really stand out enough.

[Colin Nicholls]

@Starship Krupa, I haven't found a Theme Element that controls the Rec-Arm tint.

Even my PURPLETRATOR theme (Every possible color element is a shade of purple) uses the red tint for armed tracks.

[sjoens]

I've recreated the same PRV colors in both Mercury & Tungsten with the same results:

Setting View>Show Clip Outlines does absolutely nothing in either theme. I believe it is disabled.

Changing Track/Clip colors in the Inspector does not affect PRV Note colors or TV "Notes" view. They can be changed in Preferences as can the Note background colors.

 To change PRV Note color, go to MIDI Tracks x, xx, xx... Foreground in Preferences.

This too is broken tho. My track 10,  which is MIDI track 5, is affected by MIDI Tracks 9, 19, 29... Foreground. ?

There is no REC-ARM color in T.E. To change, go to Record Preview Clip Background in Preferences.

REC-ARM only affects Track View, not the PRV.

On 1/11/2021 at 1:19 PM, Starship Krupa said:

Also, in PRV, when a track is armed for recording, the view background and clip take on a pinkish hue. 

Edited January 28, 2021 by sjoens

[Colin Nicholls]

9 hours ago, sjoens said:

There is no REC-ARM color in T.E. To change, go to Record Preview Clip Background in Preferences.

Interesting, good catch. Thanks.

I've added a section to chapter 3.8 in the YLIP and uploaded v.2021.01.12.

Edited January 12, 2021 by Colin Nicholls

[sjoens]

View>Show Clip Outlines:

 

[Starship Krupa]

Happy day! Anyone else notice this feature of the latest hotfix:

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Increased contrast of PRV clip outlines so they are visible regardless of current theme.

 

[Colin Nicholls]

Someone ratted on us, boys!

[sjoens]

It's better than it used to be

 

But I still find it hard to see

 

In a dark PRV

Edited January 28, 2021 by sjoens

[solarlux]

 

5 hours ago, sjoens said:

It's better than it used to be

 

But I still find it hard to see

 

In a dark PRV

 

 

It works very good

Edited January 27, 2021 by solarlux

[sjoens]

According to Colin's post (#2), you must have a light clip background in Track View.

Dark clips still show darker outlines in a dark PRV.

Edited January 28, 2021 by sjoens

[solarlux]

7 minutes ago, sjoens said:

You must have a light clip background in Track View. Dark clips still show darker outlines in a dark PRV.

 

I Have default black color clip background in picture where my outlines

[sjoens]

Interesting. So do I and my outlines are darker than the PRV background.

Edited January 28, 2021 by sjoens

[solarlux]

I have black and i can see

 

[solarlux]

Try to test it with my colors import them in preferences colors but be sure save your old colors

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VghXm6BHLCkputjStBtwv4000v50tvxH/view?usp=sharing

Edited January 28, 2021 by solarlux

[sjoens]

Never mind. I was unaware of hotfix 93.

[Starship Krupa]

Also, although I said that clip outlines in the PRV weren't a big deal, as soon as it started working correctly I immediately found it to be quite handy and workflow-improving.

[Jhayron Quiliche]

On 1/11/2021 at 6:36 PM, Colin Nicholls said:

Definitivamente usa el color "Clip Background" como tinte, por ejemplo, obtengo contornos marrones / grises en STEAMPUNK, que usa un fondo marrón oscuro para los clips.

En TUNGSTEN no puedo ver nada, hasta que selecciono los clips y configuro manualmente sus fondos a un color claro, es decir:

 

Es una pena que TUNGSTEN, al ser un tema canónico predeterminado, use una combinación de colores que hace que los contornos del clip sean invisibles. Pero supongo (lo sé) que es difícil cubrir todos los casos posibles y aún así tener algo estéticamente agradable.

 

Wow, I was surprised, buddy, how do you keep the dots from showing? I tried to do it but nothing

[Starship Krupa]

On 11/16/2021 at 8:19 AM, Jhayron Quiliche said:

Wow, I was surprised, buddy, how do you keep the dots from showing? I tried to do it but nothing

Which dots?