George D Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 The meters of the audio processing is about 30% and the engine load goes above 100% and the project drops out.... I have 16 cores in my AMD 3950X CPU and 32 mb of ram but if I understand right the engine of Cakewalk can't handle them. I have try every possible solution from the setting of the cakewalk and the setting of windows without resolution. Is there anybody else with the same problen and could figure it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 What audio interface are you using, You don't say much about what leads up to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George D Posted December 26, 2020 Author Share Posted December 26, 2020 10 minutes ago, John Vere said: What audio interface are you using, You don't say much about what leads up to this. I'm using an Antelope Discrete 8 via USB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 That's great, but still your not giving any info about when and how. In the other thread you replied in this was made clear that dropouts will happen in any system and any DAW but it depends on what you are trying to do that will make it happen. If this happens with 1 plug in running you have an issue but 40 plug ins running is a different kettle of fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George D Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, John Vere said: That's great, but still your not giving any info about when and how. In the other thread you replied in this was made clear that dropouts will happen in any system and any DAW but it depends on what you are trying to do that will make it happen. If this happens with 1 plug in running you have an issue but 40 plug ins running is a different kettle of fish. Happens in every project that I'm mixing where I'm using 1-2 (heavy)plugins per channel. I don't know if the problem is the plethora of the plugins because the cpu works at the 25% but even if I'm using the biggest buffer size Cakewalk doesn't uses the 75% of my CPU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) I think there's a way to make that work. Sorry I have no experience with anything more than 6 cores on mine. But I think I've seen lots of threads about your issue. Did you try Google just type in using 16 cores in Cakewalk I guess. Edited December 27, 2020 by John Vere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) Your answer might be in this one, watch the posted down the page a bit video I also found this which I was unaware existed https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=AudioPerformance.14.html Edited December 27, 2020 by John Vere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George D Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 9 hours ago, John Vere said: Your answer might be in this one, watch the posted down the page a bit video I also found this which I was unaware existed https://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=AudioPerformance.14.html Unfortunately I've tried already all of the above without result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Morgon-Shaw Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 10 hours ago, John Vere said: I think there's a way to make that work. Sorry I have no experience with anything more than 6 cores on mine. But I think I've seen lots of threads about your issue. Did you try Google just type in using 16 cores in Cakewalk I guess. My 3900x works just fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George D Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, Mark Morgon-Shaw said: My 3900x works just fine Mark, what's the amount of the audio processing meter according the engine loading? Does your system uses all the power of the CPU bedore the engine drops out? My cpu goes to 25% and the same time the engine is about 95-110% and or drops out or clicking and poping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msmcleod Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Just a thought... do you have plugin load balancing enabled? This attempts to spread the CPU load of fx plugins over all the cores: This does have its limitations however: It only works for ASIO buffer sizes >= 128 It only applies to VST effects, not VSTi synths ( many of these have their own load balancing built-in, and this clashes with CbB's attempts to load balance ) BTW - a workaround for synths that don't load balance themselves is to use the JBridge wrapper, as this will cause the plugin to be loaded in its own process and allow Windows to do the load balancing for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George D Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 Yes @msmcleod I've tried all that things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Its impossible to offer suggestions without knowing the setup of the project. Load is not distributed equally because of serial dependencies for audio processing. If you have one plugin in a track that takes a long time to process, it will become a bottleneck even though other tracks have low load, because the engine has to wait for the track to finish before it can be mixed. If you post your project file it may become more clear where the bottlenecks lie in your case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Morgon-Shaw Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, George D said: Mark, what's the amount of the audio processing meter according the engine loading? Does your system uses all the power of the CPU bedore the engine drops out? My cpu goes to 25% and the same time the engine is about 95-110% and or drops out or clicking and poping. I just looked at a competed project, with about 30 tracks, 40 active plugins, most of the VSTi's have been bounced for archiving though, this is a screengrab at 128 sample buffer, although I'd have to run this at 256 to not have any late bufers. It's not popping or crackling though. Edited December 27, 2020 by Mark Morgon-Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George D Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said: Its impossible to offer suggestions without knowing the setup of the project. Load is not distributed equally because of serial dependencies for audio processing. If you have one plugin in a track that takes a long time to process, it will become a bottleneck even though other tracks have low load, because the engine has to wait for the track to finish before it can be mixed. If you post your project file it may become more clear where the bottlenecks lie in your case. I have 7 instances of IK multimedia tapes (1024 buffers - 96 khz). If I put another one instance dropout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George D Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 @Mark Morgon-Shaw the audio processing and audio loading is like mine. Little CPU usage and very big engine load. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
57Gregy Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Cakewalk staff, and the boss, working on a Sunday on what for many folks is a holiday weekend. ? Sorry I can't help the OP; just impressed and thankful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) What I would think is the only way to prove this is Cakewalks audio engine is to transfer this project into another DAW. There are many that you can demo. Cubase is easy to use, I have transferred project into it without issue other than pre channel stuff you need to set up differently. https://new.steinberg.net/cubase/trial/ It's only $100 for Elements which is all I need. Some Cakewalk Plug in won't work like BT. Another DAW that I've transferred Cakewalk projects into,, bought it on sale for $30 back when Sonar was abandoned. https://harrisonconsoles.com/product/mixbus/ Both of these just gather dust but it was worth it just to make sure the grass isn't greener. Edited December 27, 2020 by John Vere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Where do you have these instances? In different tracks, stacked up or in buses. Best thing is to post the cwp file so others can see the layout of the plugins and the exact routing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George D Posted December 27, 2020 Author Share Posted December 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said: Where do you have these instances? In different tracks, stacked up or in buses. Best thing is to post the cwp file so others can see the layout of the plugins and the exact routing. @Noel Borthwick I've tried every scenario and the loading engine corrupts before the CPU loads before 30-33%. Is that a normal thing or not? Like above post from Mark, I think that this is maybe the normal. The engine of Cakewalk can't make use of all the horsepower of newest Cpu's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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