Craig N

Bon voyage Larry! You will be missed ?

If Black Friday was a song... January, February, March, April, May I see you crying but girl I can't stay I'll be gone 'til November, I'll be gone 'til November And give a kiss to my mother

Accidental double post. Oops

See my post on the other thread for the full breakdown of how you can slice and dice it, but Zo's calculation of $388 was missing an important element - the need to also purchase the $349 "SYSTEM 6000 NATIVE BUNDLE" bundle before the $388 upgrade product applies.

These upgrade prices are on sale (half price going from memory). I have the Icon Series Legacy Native Bundle but I don't have the System 6000 Native Bundle yet, which is $349. Cheapest option for someone who doesn't own anything yet and wants to get the total collection is to jump straight in at the price of $599 for "TC Studio Elite Collection". If I bought the "TC Studio Elite Collection, upgrade from Icon Series Legacy Native Bundle" at $499 I'd have spent $628. If I bought the "SYSTEM 6000 NATIVE BUNDLE" at $349 and then the "TC Studio Elite Collection, upgrade from Icon Series Legacy Native Bundle and System 6000 Native Bundle" upgrade for $199 I'd have spent $677. If someone bought the "SYSTEM 6000 NATIVE BUNDLE" first at $349 then the "TC Studio Elite Collection, upgrade from System 6000 Native Bundle" at $399 they'd have spent $748 to get the total collection. The partial upgrades approach of stacking things is useful if you want to break the investment down over subsequent years, which is what I had planned to do originally, except now that I'm staring down the next step at $349 or $499 I'm not so keen to pay that much this year with interest rates what they are.

Bitsum Process Lasso Pro - makes my new computer able to handle low latency audio so much better iLok Zero Downtime w/ Theft & Loss Coverage - now I can go away for a few days without stressing about thieves stealing my iLok key Ableton Live 11 upgrade from Standard to Suite, providing a free upgrade to 12 Suite when it is released - I realised recently after trying Ableton Live again that Bitwig had been a creativity killer for me. After switching back to Live, the music has started flowing again. Weird, but I'm running with it. DDMF Metaplugin - I'd wanted this for a while, and the Sweetwater price was too good to pass up BFD3 - The VSTBuzz price with code was too good to pass up Waldorf Streichfett - regretted not getting it at the launch price ever since, no brainer now that its back that low

For those thinking of buying it new, get it for a few bucks more than the RRP upgrade price depending on your tax zone https://www.thomannmusic.com/vengeance_sound_vps_avenger_2.htm

Bfd3 for $38 seems like a good price. Am I better waiting for bfd4 to be released though? Looks like it might be a $49 upgrade going by current upgrade pricing.

6 minutes! Lol

Rumor is it'll be a $99 upgrade. I've become spoiled by UVI Falcon free upgrades. Buying this a second time for pretty much what I paid for it 18 months ago on sale isn't very appealing!

I will just point out that the Pearl concert grand has noise issues that were never fixed. I don't understand why it hasn't been withdrawn from sale.

Thanks Peter, that's good enough for me. I figure at 36 for the Rhodes and Wurly or 48 for the bundle I would be mad not to get the bundle. It came about due to a current obsession with the CP70/CP80 sound but some comments on the 8dio YouTube demo of the CP70 suggested it had some out of tune notes, so I don't have my hopes up with that one. But for 12 I can take the risk. Fortunately I upgraded PC earlier this year so SSD space is not currently an issue. I decided to upgrade after adding up how much I'd spent on plugins and libraries and Daws. I was shocked. It made no sense to be using an 8 year old PC to save a few bucks.

After watching a video on the Wurlitzer I'm starting to think these are likely to suffer from the same problem as other 8dio Kontakt libraries I've bought, which is all the articulations require manual use, and that means you can't really just play it the way you can most other libraries. You have to program it in. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems with other libraries they just figure out what articulations need to be played based on the velocity and the length of the notes etc.

Some deeply sampled keyboards. Seems there's very few videos or written opinions about these, perhaps as they've historically been so expensive. https://8dio.com/products/studio-vintage-series-all-keyboard-bundle-for-kontakt-vst-au-aax?variant=41310046290120 Kontakt VST / AU / AAX (full version required) Vintage Hammond Organ, CP70 Electric Piano, Studio D6 Clavinet, Rhodes 54 Piano, Wurlitzer 200A Individually these are$18 each down from $98. Anyone got any experience with these?

Have they got resizable UIs yet?

Yeah they're burning a lot of bridges. I hope people are smart enough to boycott them rather than reward them for it. I'll be very wary about giving them any more money because their sh1tty sales practices caused me to regret spending several hundred dollars money with them in only 2.5 months. They're basically teaching people not to spend money with them because buying now is worse than buying later, with no grace period, and you can't trust their marketing messaging, because the opposite of what they've said about what's on offer has been true. They're also teaching people they have no ethics, they will lie about past promises and when evidence is presented they will cover it up and gaslight you into the bargain. Well, the lessons have been learned here.

Didn't expect this to expire before black friday given it's called a black friday bundle haha damnit. That was a great price compared to their usual discounts.

Yeah I took Drew at his word. Big mistake. He obviously doesn't call the shots, and the people who do couldn't care less whether their official representative has any credibility whatsoever. Fool me once, shame on you (UA).

Yep I will sit this out and wait for a better offer, next time they take into account what is owned and give a $50 coupon on top. Since they have done it before, they'll do it again probably in about 6 to 9 months. UA is the new IK.

Just saw an email from Universal Audio on the 6th of November. Subject: Last chance to get 80% off UAD plug-ins. This is your last reminder! There are just hours left to get more than 50% off Native UAD bundles – that's up to 80% off per plug‑in with these savings! Don’t miss out on the analog tone you’ve been looking for. Hurry before Bundle Month is over! Ends 11/6. Compare this (attached) with the $299 deal on offer a day later. Bad faith marketing if you ask me. Using fomo tactics to get people to buy a deal you're about to significantly better the next day. Tsk tsk tsk. Way to burn bridges with your customers to make a fast buck.

It's time to get out the pitchforks. Hehe just kidding. Let's starve them out by waiting for a decent upgrade offer instead. They're the ones who need our business, not the other way around.

Need to wait for these bundles to appear on the UA store directly, that's when they'll be able to discount based on what you already own.

@Pav

What do you mean either $5 or $9? Did you receive two upgrade offers? I had an upgrade offer of $9.99

Sarah Schachner whose soundtrack music I adore (especially COD Infinite Warfare) also uses Cubase. I bought 11 Pro but also bought Ableton Live simultaneously and never really tried to learn Cubase. Now I'm on Bitwig since it's a faster less buggy Ableton Live but I'm not finishing any music. Maybe I should try Cubase again. 11 is probably enough to try without upgrading first.