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On 5/19/2019 at 10:32 AM, Craig Anderton said:

I'd also add it's not just about quantizing rhythm, but tempo. Tempo changes are crucial in helping a song breath. Check out this article for an analysis I did of tempo changes in a variety of songs, using CbB. The article also includes the "time traps" concept I wrote about in The Huge Book of Cakewalk by BandLab Tips, but applied to Studio One.

I also did a second article about "feel," and how to restore feel with timing shifts - it's basically an article about "un-quantizing" quantized parts.

Excellent   tutorials   

I have glanced at all 3  ...I'm in the process  of still absorbing the first article .....

I noticed in the first article the tempo graph seems to fluctuate somewhat like a LFO sine wave  ...after closer inspection  it became clear to me that the whole tempo fluctuation graph was in a general range of approximately  10 BPM 's  per song .

Those are very subtle tempo shifts ,  No doubt , they contributed greatly to the songs feel.

Each song has just enough natural tempo changes  to keep the listeners brain and ears   engaged  through the song play ... 

You write  super  helpful articles Craig ,

thank you for posting your work  here in this thread ,

Kenny

47 minutes ago, InstrEd said:

So my staff view shall be greased shortly??

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Yeah just in time for New Years Eve 2312

Kenny

On 5/16/2019 at 1:06 PM, Kenny Wilson said:

Why not  turn some of the crappy drum loops we all  have on our hard drives into better sounding loops by learning how to tempo map a player of John Bohnam ' s caliber .

 

10 hours ago, Craig Anderton said:

I've written and lectured about this extensively. This is the basis for things like groove templates, but even something as simple as pushing the snare late by a few milliseconds gives more of a "Bonham"  feel. For dance music, I'll often push the high-hat ahead by just a little bit to lend urgency. 

Craig there is no doubt in my mind that you have written and lectured about this sort of topic extensively ..

I think  i  need to study harder .

thank you for taking the time to respond .

Kenny

As far as I'm concerned John Bohnam is and was a One in Ten Million drummer .

Yeah,  I get how quantize can drain  the life out of  feel ...What about the opposite .

Why not  turn some of the crappy drum loops we all  have on our hard drives into better sounding loops by learning how to tempo map a player of John Bohnam ' s caliber .

BTW , I do understand that music has changed drastically   in the past 19 / 20 years .  Still if somebody wants to go old school and keep the feel of the groove , what is stopping them ?

Kenny

For those of us  here that want to do their own experiments on what was mentioned in the first video ...

here are some MP3 examples of John Bonham's drums only

http://www.saladrecords.com/bonhamfiles.htm

I was lucky enough to see Led Zeppelin 3 times at Madison Square Garden in the 70's , John Bonham brought down the house w his drum solo's , for a large segment of the drums solo he didn't even use  sticks .

I  also saw Bonham's son a few times w Robert Plant . 

Great Players .

For me the real find in this thread was the video interview of Carol Kaye .  She still got it . It was nice to hear her just kick it and tell her story

In the section where she talked about using the metronome  you have to watch and listen closely to understand the benefit of what she was saying  , 

Her implied message was to play off the 2 and the 4 of the beats . If you listen closely you will hear her count in ...and once she is there she is using the metronome to define not only timing  for her playing , but a level of swing feel ....that is possible when you only play off the 2 and 4

Using her approach  the 1 and the 3 are  silent and the player is hearing those beats inside their heads .

Playing  off the 2 and the 4 of the metronome requires a lot more skill because  it is easy to get lost and one may loose their place until they become more familiar with the concept .

This happens because the player must feel the 1 and 3 w out hearing it . The tempo of the song moves along at the same pace even though  to pull off the correct tempo and feel means the songs tempo is halved using this approach  ...

A silent 1 , heard 2 , silent  3 , and heard 4  beat style of  metronome use means that a BPM of  60 = 120 BPM when one  used to using the metronome as per standard use ....

It might not sound like much but when the tempo is halved like that small changes can speed up or slow down dramatically into tempos a player may need to practice and spend more time  at . ( first hand assessment lol )

Essentially I have looked at this approach as  a drum track w just the snare hits ....

Both Ed Cherry and Emily Remler have tried to hip me  this years ago ...did I listen ?  ....no ...lol... better late than never ...

The true beauty behind this approach is w a little practice a player can develop a much more swinging approach to what ever it is they choose to play .

When I say Swing I am talking about The Freedom of Unlimited Interesting to play and hear  Hip Phrasing ...

I think of it this way , When I play off the metronome using the whole 1, 2, 3 , 4 , beat approach to 4/4 I might as well try to join The High School Marching Band because that what it sounds like to me and to others ...

Like it or not , my music and playing  will  be swinging  like a rusty gate ... lol

Using the silent 1 , heard 2 , silent 3, heard 4  metronome approach takes a fair amount of practice

( honestly some days I'm hit or miss on it , yet I still carry on )

I just came back and edited this because in Cakewalk the metronome preferences have adjustments for the first beat and then the other 3 beats combined ...It is possible to make the first beat silent , yet it is not possible to change the 2, 3, 4 beats they will sound ..

An easy thing to do would be to record the metronome , then edit beat 1 and 3 out of it and create a groove clip to save .

For fast and dirty , a practice thing I like to do  often is to just pull up a drum VST  , load a basic beat up with a hard hitting snare on the 2 and the  4  beats and then just  solo the snare . It is  simple and easy  enough to go there using that approach ...

all the best,

Kenny

On 5/7/2019 at 8:11 AM, garybrun said:

Well you certainly have got the feeling in those fingers.
Well done.

Thank you for the listen and favorable comment

On 5/7/2019 at 10:11 AM, kakku said:

Great job. You got soul 

Glad you enjoyed .

On 5/7/2019 at 12:06 PM, Johnbee58 said:

This is nice.  Very relaxing an soulful. Contemplative.

?John B.

Very kind of you to say that . Thank you .

On 5/8/2019 at 1:10 AM, Bob Oister said:

Hey, Kenny,

Absolutely beautiful playing, as always from you, and tasty melodies combined with gorgeous tone!?

I really love the crisp clean tone at the beginning, and then how the subtle change to the slightly cranked up edgy tone at around 2:11 provides really nice contrast and shows off the fluidity in your excellent playing.

Dynamite stuff, Kenny, it's always great to hear a new post from you on the forum, buddy!?

Have a good one!
Bob

Thank you Bob for the kind words . I really appreciate reading them .

On 5/8/2019 at 11:27 AM, ABull said:

Tone, chops, depth of feeling...anything I forgot?   

~Allan

 

Alan, thank you for what you said . I was happy to see it .

On 5/10/2019 at 6:45 AM, thegaltieribrothers said:

Hi Kenny,

Great playing, real style and sensitivity.

Thanks for sharing.

Good Job!

regards

paul

Paul , it was my pleasure to  share my most recent  playing here . I'm glad you enjoyed the way I played my guitar on this tune . it means a lot .

all the best ,

Kenny

Kenny

Hi Lynn ,

Wow, deep song on a lot of levels .

I love the line " the older I get the less I become less of the parts of my sum "

Love the change up arrangement wise you did at 1:38  ...what do we have here ?

A Reggae style guitar part mixed in w a Cuban style groove done in an old Western spaghetti style sound canvas ...OMG Love it ..

I liked your song a lot Lynn . Everything about it is very good . The songs message , the vocals , instruments and mix ....

Great  job ,

Kenny

Hi kakku ,

I listened to your most recent version.

In away , at least to my ears ,your tune has a retro sound in places that remind me of the band called Mountain .

I happen to Love Mountain ( still listen to them )  In your song the guitar parts have the type of crunch and way of playing chords that reminds me of the phrasing Leslie West would play when he played power chords.

Your song seems to be coming along nicely . my suggestion would be , play around w the arrangement ...flesh it out some

all the best,

Kenny

Hi John,

Very interesting song on a lot of fronts . I enjoyed the modal piano part up against the S Dan bass style part .

Gave your tune a nice rhythmic  bounce ..

As the song develops you go into some very complex chordal and song arrangements featuring  instrument change ups horns and nice sub motifs that play off each other  .

Good stuff there . Seems you stand apart in that area ...must have taken a lot of time to get that right

I got your songs vocal message VIA listening and then reading your lyrics . Since I am a non vocalist ...can't say much about whats happening there ...

Overall you seem to have a quirky bone here and there in your musical bone structure ...

BTW that is a complement in my book  ....

A little  over 10 years ago ..I used to joke around w a few forum members on the old songs  forum

It seems a number of my tunes had their own thing going on and they  didn't fit into a box

Because of that ,   I used to call myself Captain Quirk  ..

all the best,

Kenny

Hi bjornpdx ,

I enjoyed what you did here w your song overlay over the dialog.

Your interpretation of Sci Fi tones are very good .

I must confess , I'm not sure if I have seen the movie or not . Now that I have heard your clip Plan 9 , I think I want too.

I love messing around with those type of sounds myself .

Truthfully , I can't say I have done anything as developed as what you have done here .

I have been messing around with these samples lately ...all the free ones that come in the free packs  are very good for the type of sounds you were going for  ...

IMHO , at least in my case the free bundles were worth the time and effort . YMMV

Lots of warp drive motion and alien sounds can be found here ....

https://glitchmachines.com/

all the best ,

Kenny

On 5/7/2019 at 8:03 AM, Lynn said:

Kenny, that was awesome!  Perfect tone and phrasing is what I've come to expect from you and this satisfies on all levels.  Stay healthy!

Hi Lynn,

Your Kind words of encouragement are awesome  . They gave me a gentle nudge to continue along w my journey along the  path of the will to carry on .

I'm real stoked you dig my guitar tone and phrasing .

I guess the whole secret to good phrasing is for me to listen closely to everything I'm playing as the song unfolds ,  then I must  resist the temptation to install  an unnecessary musical  kitchen sink  ......just because I can ... lol

The real kicker is I am playing a bone stock  Bullet Mustang ...the one w 2 humbuckers that only cost $149 .00 brand new  ...

https://www.guitarcenter.com/Squier/Bullet-Mustang-HH-Limited-Edition-Electric-Guitar.gc

I have one in White that I picked up a few months ago  ....I bought it as a get well guitar gift to myself . 

I lub that little geetar ...lol...

all the best,

Kenny

On 5/6/2019 at 6:26 PM, bjornpdx said:

Wow, that was simply beautiful, Kenny. 

Hello bjornpdx,

I'm glad to have contributed a moment of musical beauty to your listening pleasure  .

To reach another person and to connect on a  genuine heart felt level of sympathetic vibration  is  the only  true reason I post tunes .

It sure ain't the money I'm doing this for

Thank you for the listen

Kenny

1 hour ago, Matthew Sorrels said:

ACID Pro 8 64bit is very nice.  I've been really happy with it.  It was worth the $100 to upgrade to me.  Even though I don't use it very much.  I still love ACID a lot.

 

Yes I feel the same way .

1 hour ago, Matthew Sorrels said:

 

That said, the idea of paying $100 a year to upgrade ACID is a bit much.  It's not advancing that kind of value.

 

You got that right . I agree w you 100 %

1 hour ago, Matthew Sorrels said:

But by creating a new even more expensive tier they have devalued the plain 9.0 upgrade even more.  If they had only released 9.0 with all the features of ACID Next, for $100 they would get my money.  Not right now, but within the next year.  Now that there are two levels though, the math is completely different.  There isn't any advantage paying so much to get 9.0 and not get "everything" and the price for Next is just beyond crazy.

 

Yes you are making a lot of sense here with this train of thought .

I had gotten the e mail for Next the same day this thread hit the forum , yet if it wasn't for you replying in this thread I would have had no idea Acid Pro 9 was even out.

+1 I would gladly ante up the 99 clams for the whole enchilada . Acid Pro 9  Next ...

I will not under any circumstances try to pawn the dusty lint or the spider webs in my wallet nor the ones that reside in my  pants pockets  just to raise the coin to buy Acid Pro 9 Next at the price Magix is asking  .

As the deal stands now from Magix  ..no way it just ain't gonna happen .

I got a little Magic for you Magix  , keep this type of $hit up and watch me disappear .

1 hour ago, Matthew Sorrels said:

I think they are trying really hard to make their subscriptions the version everyone buys and well I don't see it as something I'm interested in.

 

Me neither , I'm not the least bit interested in a Magix DAW subscription of any kind  ...

If it wasn't for Cakewalk by BandLab  and Mengs generosity,  I would still be sitting over here bent over looking into a mirror with a pair of vise grips in one hand while i go through the motions of  picking out the Joshua Tree prickly thorns out of  my aching  bung hole that got deeply embedded up and in there  from my experiences with the Gibson  SPlat lifetimes  subscription fiasco  .

1 hour ago, Matthew Sorrels said:

I sure hope their zynaptiq® STEM MAKER audio source separation technology works better in real life than that video, since it sure didn't sound all that great to me.    And the audio examples seemed really weak too, certainly not $400 great.

Yes I hear you on that point loud and clear  .

Admittedly I confess to  knowing very little about the  zynaptiq® STEM MAKER audio source separation technology.

What I do know is the  Genre of musical examples they chose to use and feature in their video were clearly not even close to my Genre of Music nor were they even close to the nearest Star in the furthest out reaches of  my Musical Orbit  ...not even close .

Unless Magix  thinks a 100.000.000. Light Years away is close enough  to being and nailing a bullseye in my Musical Galaxy .

Here on my beloved home Planet ...The Planet Tele X..... we have high standards lol...

any way thanks for the views you expressed ...it was nice rapping w you

Kenny

PS , please don't mind me or my mini rant, it is all in good fun . I guess I like to kvetch a lot .

15 hours ago, Matthew Sorrels said:

ACID Pro 9.0 Info page:

https://www.magix.com/us/music/acid/acid-pro/

ACID Next Info Page:

https://www.magix.com/us/music/acid/acid-pro-next/

Comparison page:

https://www.magix.com/us/music/acid/acid-pro-next/version-comparison/#c1045545

They don't compare with version 8.0 though.  But from the 9.0 page it looks like MIDI Playable Chopper, VST3 engine with 32bit compatibility, and some more weak soft synths and loops.

Very helpful post Sir .Thank you for taking the time .

Hey Starise , yes I do not fall into their target market either . At the prices they want to  get for this I simply will not go there .

3 hours ago, cclarry said:

THIS really should have been the Acid Pro 9 Upgrade...for $99

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding CCLarry in for the Win ...Amen my brother .

1 hour ago, Tiger The Frog said:

I'm still waiting for them to give me a compelling reason to upgrade from Acid 7.

If anybody wants stems extracted they can just buy a plugin that does that, like Regroover, which is often deeply discounted.
 

 

Acid 7 is good for sure . I have it , yet honestly , as good as 7 is I still prefer Acid 8 over 7 by a long shot .

I may have different reasons than some ...in my case the short answer involve  this .

I go back a long time w Samplitude . Many of the stock plugs that come with Samplitude I happen to use and like very much .

I hated the idea that I could only use them since they were locked down in Samp. when I got a hold of Acid 8 I was happy to see that 8 came with all of those plugs I like .Then when I factor in a couple of Humble Deals I picked up I was very pleased to have all my SONY apps tightly integrated w Acid 8 ..All the plugs from Sound Forge , Spectral Edits and the Magix Vintage Suite showed up in Acid ..

In addition to that ,The SONY apps I mentioned are already integrated and can be used for editing within Acid 8 ....

For me that's a big one .

I would consider $99 bucks for Magix Acid Pro  Next ...

Not a penny more UNLESS you buy me a hamburger with a side order of Acid Pro Next .

I will gladly pay you on Tuesday ...lol

Kenny

Kenny

Hi all ,

This song   Remembering The Heartbreak is basically me playing my guitar over The Twanger Central  Challenge   Week 193 BT .

I sincerely hope you enjoy my guitar playing  .

thank you in advance

Kenny

5 hours ago, cclarry said:

That's the upgrade price...it's $399 for everyone else

Ouch .....he he eh   whew ...that hurts

4 hours ago, abacab said:

Soon it will be $15 at Humble Bundle ...

Yeah I wish ....

4 hours ago, Matthew Sorrels said:

There is also ACID Pro 9, which is a $99 upgrade from ACID Pro 8. 

 

Yeah , where are they hiding that Info ? I certainly couldn't find it

4 hours ago, Matthew Sorrels said:

 

I can't understand any of logic behind MAGIX anymore.  I don't see how adding a stem unmixer and an essential version of Melodyne is worth $200 more than ACID Pro 9.  $400 for the full priced ACID Next is crazy pricing and $300 to upgrade is laughable.

 

I agree with you on that ...I don't care for Magix pulling something like that .

all the best ,

Kenny

I have and use Acid Pro 8 so I wonder , if that's the upgrade price from having Acid Pro 8 or if that's  the $299 Acid Pro Next price for any body regardless .

Kenny

3 hours ago, SteveStrummerUK said:

 

... understandable really, he had a vicious right hook.

... at least you can be grateful  he didn't kick you in the balls with his peg leg .

Kenny

I haven't touched a drop of booze or done any illegal drugs since August of 1983 .

Living One Day At a Time  ...is challenging even on a good day 

Kissing  a girl that has the taste of booze and stale smoke on her breath ....nope ...

No Ken Do ..been there and done that enough times to have learned my lessons.

My fingers are crossed on that one because I may  still suffer from the whole delusion of "this time it's gonna be different "

I will take a life of not so much fun over the roller coaster ride of a life of Drama .....

There can only be One Drama Queen in my life at any given time . So if   ain't gonna be her it's gonna have to be be me

Kenny

9 hours ago, Kenny Wilson said:

 

Talk to me when you can play a different guitar every day of the week for over a month and a half with out ever repeating your self .

....then you and I  will be closer to being on the same page .

Kenny

2 hours ago, craigb said:

I've tried this, but found that the people generally didn't like the fact that I broke into their homes and was playing their guitars...

Since Guitar playing has been real good too me and brought me Great Fame and Fortune .

Lets make it more interesting for ya and worth all the time and effort you will need to put out .

Instead of going for my guitars ,

Why not go for my 60 foot yacht , my Ferrari or my Lake side waterfront  vacation property with the Sea Plane docked over by  the boat ramp ?

In my underground climate controlled  Car Vault Bunker , I keep a full collection of Vintage American Muscle Cars that would make Jay Leno green w envy.

Even have every year Corvette  ever made from the first year they came out right up unto this year in two colors.

They are all low original mileage and many of the Corvettes are convertibles .

Do you need or want the keys to my house ? They are hidden over by the front gate under the blue rock with the white stripe next to the rose bush ...

BTW, when the thrill of that Fairy Tale Fantasy wears off , the sad truth of it all is  ....

This is what it's all gonna be about in the end anyway Home Slice ....lol ....

Kenny

10 hours ago, kitekrazy said:

At one time I had about 7 cheap electrics and traded them in for a LP Studio.  So I have a Tele and an older model PRS Santana SE.    So the scenario is a bit different.  But it is definitely wrong to have all of this DAW stuff and maybe use 10% of it every day. I'd like a variant of a real PRS with a wide fat neck but if I could afford one I probably still wouldn't buy it because I don't play every day.   This is what happens when you get into the electronic genres. You push buttons. I have plenty of real instruments and don't play them.  Not only that is wrong but now a major sin.

Talk to me when you can play a different guitar every day of the week for over a month and a half with out ever repeating your self .

....then you and I  will be closer to being on the same page .

Kenny

On 5/2/2019 at 12:10 PM, kitekrazy said:

 I've have a LP Studio.  I don't play very much.  Is it wrong to have an LP and not play it every day?

I've have over a dozen DAW's with 100's of  Virtual instruments I don't play very much . Is it wrong to have all these DAW's and Virtual Instruments and not play them every day ?

Kenny

20 hours ago, RBH said:

I never tried out the Ibanez guitar synth - Back in that day I had a Roland GK-2 mounted to a WestBury and run through a GM-70. I got some very useful work done on that rig. I gave it to my brother a few years back and somehow he lost track of the GM-70. Still has the West Bury with pick-up though. I do a lot of precision metal work - I bet I could make something similar to the Gittler.

I'm biased ....The Ibanez is and was so much more than just a Midi guitar  the neck and bridge system alone was a marvel / masterpiece .

Neck = Ebony finger board Graphite reinforced .Gittler style tuning from the bridge ....need I go on ?

https://www.joness.com/gr300/img2010.htm

I wish I could get some of the hardware Ibanez used ....I would slap that on some of my other guitars ...IMHO , Ibanez was way ahead of the loop .

I sold my Roland to get this thing ...lol Then I would go out and listen to John Abocrombie play his Ibanez ...he used to make fun of me  ...lol

As far as the Gittler goes I'm sure it costs a fortune in materials alone just to make one .....Titanium ?

Either way I scalloped one of my Fender Esquire maple necks back in the day ..a full  scallop like the guitar John McLaughlin, played back in the day 

I know I can dig that type of feel ....a big reason I gravitate towards my interest in The Gittler 

Say , if you build it , and if I ever come passing through your town I will check it out

nice talking w you ,

Kenny