Byron Dickens

What does "treated" mean? Broadband bass traps and a combination of HF absorption and diffusion or just some foam stuck on the wall?

I can't really speak to the vocals so much; what I'm most familiar with tends to have them kind of buried anyway. Try this: go back to your drum track. Lower the velocity of the hi hat on every other eighth note a very small amount. Then raise it just a tiny bit on the one of every measure. Then select all the snare hits and nudge them just barely to the right so they are just behind the beat. Now, take the bass part and nudge it slightly to the left so it is right on the leading edge of the beat. Try it and see how that sounds.

You're missing the point. It's a figure of speech. See, what separates Eric Clapton's guitar playing from mine is not that he has his own Fender Custom Shop signature model and I only have a Made in Mexico Strat. No, what separates Eric Clapton's guitar playing from mine is that he's Eric Clapton and I'm not.

Send me your MIDI file. I'll prove to you that it ain't the guitar, it's the guitarist.

Here: Not a single "real" instrument. Nor a single real performance. Whatever you might think of the piece, I don't think the words "sterile" or "lifeless" apply. Like it or hate it, it breathes and moves.

I'm not trying to start a fight or anything. You asked how to breathe life into a dull and lifeless mix. The only way to do that is to - well, to breathe some life into it. There ain't a VST in the world - free or paid - that will do that. No one makes a "soul" plugin.

There's not a whole lot of movement in this vocal melody: But when you hear Rob singing There I was completely wasting, out of work and down All inside it's so frustrating as I drift from town to town Feel as though nobody cares if I live or die So I might as well begin to put some action in my life Breaking the law, breaking the law.... He's got you absolutely convinced. You can feel the frustration. The lyrics "...We fly through this godless endeavor We try to explain the black forever I feel helpless and alone, trapped on the third stone I feel permanently stoned, this godless endeavor the only cage I've known Our organic equation has shown it's flaw Can we agree to disagree on the concept of god? As I lifted up my brother he said to me "Abandon naive realism, surrender thought in cold precision" I feel empty and deranged, denied one last epiphany and ushered from the stage..." sound pretty ethereal to me But the delivery is full of existential angst. Yeah, I know it is a totally different style & genre, but my examples demonstrate a lack of movement in the melody or deeply introspective, existential lyrics are no excuse for a dead and lifeless vocal. Nor is playing all (or most) of the instruments yourself any excuse for a lack of soul:

Actually, the mix itself is pretty good . Everything is clearly heard and nothing clashes or gets obscured. Mostly it is a matter of performance and arrangement. The song doesn't really go anywhere. Despite the interesting little ear candy bits, it sort of just sits there. Static. The reason the vocals sound dead and lifeless is because, well, they're dead and lifeless. The whole performance seems kinda phoned in. Her pitch timing and diction are right on, but she just ain't convincing me. No passion. She is good, but needs some coaching to bring out a PERFORMANCE. It sounds like it was recorded in a very dead space. That's not bad, it is often a technical necessity. I Have to do the same thing. So do many others. It sure beats having all those nasty flutter echoes and comb filtering flying around, but yeah, you have to add the room in later during the mixing stage. Also, all the instruments sound like they were step sequenced or quantized rigidly to the grid. Totally lacks human feel and that is the number one thing making the song sound lifeless. See, in the '80s - when your reference song was done - everything was recorded onto 2" tape being played in real time by humans. That's the key difference, not the right VSTs.

Oh, those bas....

I noticed they all made a major mistake about a minute in.

Trying again to make this music related:

So is that artistic geniuses or autistic?

Muse Score is great! To get anything that does more costs hundreds.

Nothing is free.

If I could only be half as humble as you, my own greatness would soar to the very heigjts of immensity.

I admire your humility.

Cool tune. Sounds a bit like Alice in Chains.

This is something I wrote back when I was in school. It was originally conceived as a film cue for a class I was taking. I tried to just realize it as it was on paper but found that it did not sound the way I thought it did; it was a real mess in places. So, I set about to rework it and naturally it took on a life of it’s own and ended up completely reorchestrated and greatly expanded. I wrote it out in Muse Score and exported it as MIDI. I then opened it in SONAR and spent a godawful amount of time tweaking it. Then I used Miroslav Philharmonik 2 to play it back. "Mixed, " such that it was, in Mixbus. I had rendered each section (Strings, Brass, Winds & Percussion) separately to better adjust the balance among them. Also a bit of mild parallel compression with IK Multimedia's Fairchild model. I think it came out okay.

To turn this music related:

Beat me to it.

If a man says something in a forest and there isn't a woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?

Now you people know what BandLab's business model is.

Thank [insert moniker for your favorite non-religion-specific deity type being (or nonbeing if you prefer)] it was something at least halfway intelligent .

But you can't fly on the back of a pig. There's all kinds of people with FAR less computer running SONAR/ Cakewalk without any of these issues at all.

DITCH THAT SOUNDBLASTER AND GET A REAL AUDIO INTERFACE! Seriously. Who cares that "it was working before?" It ain't working now. They are known garbage. Get rid of it. Pull it out and smash it with a hammer. And don't tell us you can't afford a real interface; you have an i7 and 24GB of RAM. And Miroslav 2. No offense, but you are like the guy with a $140,000 Mercedes SL complaining it doesn't run right but instead of putting premium unleaded in the tank like they tell you to, you insist on running the 50/50 mix of turpentine and dirty water from the Cheesy Mart.