user905133

13 hours ago, David Baay said:

That's a high buffer setting. Is the project pushing your CPU that hard?

@David Baay Thanks for opening up the opportunity for me to clarify.  I should have emphasized the method, not the specific numbers.  The method was to start low with problematic  audio and increase each of the two parameters a notch until the problem went away and to confirm the solution by backing the numbers down.  I had those graphics handy from looking at MME mode (based on another noise issue, IIRC).

@Tim White Sorry if I misled you with those specific numbers. 

I am sure at some point I used the same process to set the settings for ASIO mode.  I recall tweaking numbers to get rid of an audio glitch that occurred when I had audio playing back and switched Workspaces (formerly Lenses).  Generally, I have my sound card's ASIO Control Panel set to the lowest value possible--usually 2.  For many tasks, that is sufficient.  (See screenshots below.)

I will change it notch at a time depending of what else my computer is doing--such as when I am designing a Workspace and I don't want the glitch.  For that I moved the setting to 3 then 4, again using the ASIO Control Panel for my Sound Card. (See screenshots below.)

Today, I discovered something unusual with a Workspace I have been working on and decided to grab real time video using OBS Studio. That upped the distortion quite high since my PC was working much harder running both.  I didn't grab any screenshots, but I did bump up my settings so Cakewalk would play smoothly and I could capture the visual oddity I was experiencing.

After that I put back the lower settings.

Again, apologies for not spelling out the method and appearing to be recommending what is probably a higher latency than you need.

    <== My usual ASIO panel setting        <== Cakewalk's settings based on 2 ms in ASIO panel [44.1KHz]

     <== Manually upped as needed         <== Cakewalk's settings based on 4 ms in ASIO panel [48KHz]

Please note: These screenshots are from 2 different projects, one at 44.1 KHz and another at 48 KHz.  Not suggesting you use these numbers; just trying to show one method (I am sure there are others!) for reducing noise/distortion while trying to maintain low latency as needed for specific tasks.

If this helps meet your specific needs, great.

Steve

5 hours ago, timboalogo said:

I don't like the search function on this site and find it easier to ask - sorry for the newb question.

Three things: I find searching the pdf sometimes get me to the info I want more quickly and more accurately than the on-line search. Not sure if you would have a similar experience.  I also find sometimes the online ToC and Index are often more helpful than the search box results. 

The problem that I generally have with the online search is that it usually lists links and descriptions of those links for pre-CbB products.

As for asking about Workspaces, since I am making a concerted effort to teach myself the ins and outs, benefits, and disadvantages, etc. of Workspaces [formerly Lenses], as a plain old user [i.e., not staff or even power user], when I see questions/comments about them, it gives me an excuse to explore them more and maybe discover things I hadn't explored yet.

Footnote: yesterday and today I have been working on developing/refining a "Staff Entry" Workspace for my personal use.

Not sure if the RTZ / Transport issue affects your workflow, but I just noticed this and thought it might.

8 minutes ago, pdarg said:

And here's the other half of the mystery: apparently Cakewalk is "reserving" certain kind bindings, and my precious "W" has been reserved for something else now.

I'll have to use another key, but years of choosing "W" to stop and rewin - that's a hard habit to change.

You can choose to have W to function as "Rewind + Stop."  While the default is to return to the beginning and continue, I was able to change it back.  I tested it before I posted my screen shot (above).  I will test it again.

  ADDENDUM:  YUP!!!             Track View > Options > Click Behavior > Transport Seeking Stops Behavior

On 11/15/2019 at 9:14 PM, Robert Bone said:

Hey folks - we are NOT going to get into character bashing in this or any other thread, from or toward anyone, in any direction.

. . . 

Please, EVERYBODY, knock it off - completely.

. . .

SOOOOOO - let's all of us chill out, and try to work with each other in a supportive and positive fashion, there is nothing whatsoever to be gained by getting and keeping our individual or group 'hackles' up.    [emphasis added]

. . .

Thanks

Bob Bone

 

Amen!!!!

As a user (not staff or even a power user) and on the outside chance that my experience yesterday might help one or two  cases of noise/distortion, I add my experiences from yesterday: 

1 hour ago, pdarg said:

The big thing is that – when I hit my rewind button – the song returns to start and then keeps playing. I just want it to stop and return to start.

Try this: Track View > Options > Click Behavior > Transport Seeking Stops Behavior

See previous discussion here.

On 10/12/2019 at 2:37 PM, User 905133 said:

If someone else can verify the Undock the PRV/MultiDock -> Minimize it -> X it Out [Close] -> Try-to-restore-it issue, I will report it as a bug (which might even be a known bug, like the "ghost" cursor). If not, I will just assume its unique to my PC.

PRV in MultiDock -> Undocked -> Minimized -> Closed [aka Xed Out] "Phantom" thing.

Officially, the bug (now fixed in 2019.11 build 54) is named "MultiDock draws unexpectedly after being minimized then closed."

Thanks to the development team for reproducing and fixing this rather obscure problem!!

I hope that if they do update the rgc/z3ta+/DimPro/RapPro line they include the ability to funnel audio from other sources through the FX (like z3ta+ 1.5) .

1 hour ago, backwoods said:

Hate to be a killjoy but the affirmation quotes are corny! Love toast notifications, hate the attendant affirmations  

Wish we could disable the quotes wihout disabling toast popups

Why not just create your own file with religious quotations, anarchistic quotations, riddles, anything?

I agree your advice is more accurate to simulate actual performances.

1 hour ago, Johnbee58 said:

Well then I guess I'll just have to keep doing this in Audacity.

Thanks!

?JB

Can you use flac files instead of wave files for your purposes? If so, tags can be edited from the CbB Media Browser using MS's Properties > Details. Just a thought.

TY for this recent line of discussion. Since the X Series, I had never before stumbled onto the Event Filter and had been missing it.  Also, after searching "inline" in the current reference guide and bouncing between the guide and a recent tune, I found a chain nested of menus/submenus that enabled me to make the inline piano roll view  acessible via double clicking behavior.

I did not know about this specific personal workflow preference (perhaps because it is somewhat "hidden"), but retrospectively it is the kind of workflow preference I had in mind a month or so ago when I suggested a new category ("workflow preferences," I think I called it for Lenses  [soon-to-be Workspaces]).  

So, thanks for pointing out these features!

Another option if you save your exported audio so you can find it in Cakewalk's Media Browser: right-click tune, select properties, choose details, edit fields, click OK.

I only tested "Fit-to-Time" once. Does that do what you want?

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Process > Fit to Time stretches or shrinks the selection so that it ends at a specific time, expressed in either measure:beat:tick
(MBT) or hours:minutes:seconds:frames (SMPTE) format. This command gives you a choice of modifying the events or modifying
the underlying tempo. This is useful when you want to alter a portion of a project to have an exact length. The start time of the
selection does not change, but the end time is altered as necessary to fit the required time interval.
Audio can be stretched or condensed up to a factor of 4 (e.g., it can be shrunk to as little as 25 percent of its original length, or
expanded to as much as 400 percent of its original length).

For more information, see “To stretch or shrink to a specific length” on page 681 and “Stretching and shrinking events” on page 680.

Update: For a second round of tests (single 2' 47" audio track rendered from a midi soft synth project), I ran into an upper limit of 400% stretch and lower limit of 25% shrinkage.  One test converted a 44 sec slice (Start -> Thru) and made it 30 seconds. Forgot to mention: I didn't see a way to do an instant preview; audio conversion took time to do.

Update 2: Took the same 44 second slice and made it 60 seconds. Again, if there's a way to preview it, I didn't see it.  Had to wait until the "Processing audio data" gauge finished. 

Footnote: On my 1st attempt with the 2' 47" track, I accidentally entered 1 hour as the target length.  That's how I saw the 400% max. The track did expand to exactly 1 hour; however, the actual audio "only" expanded to 400% of the original.  The rest was silence.

2 hours ago, HIBI said:

Anyone has this? I don't think its only me...

Not sure why I don't. (Just sharing this here to say its not everyone; I have no idea why. Could be any of a number of reasons. Probably not worth trying to determine.)

1 hour ago, Transcended Dimensions said:

[1] There’s a technique known as “retrograde,” which would be reversing the series of notes in a melody or song. 

[2] .  .  .  perhaps these reversed melodies and songs do express the emotion/scenes I described,  and that the reason why people hear them as meaningless rubbish is because reversing a melody or song isn’t enough to convey something meaningful to the audience.  Something more is needed to convey their meaning.   So, I might be the one who’s able to hear them as meaningful because that’s my meaningful vision in regards to them.  I must find a way to somehow convey that vision to the audience. 

[3] So, Koji had a meaningful vision in regards to a portion of Zelda’s Lullaby he reversed, and he somehow conveyed that vision to the audience. 

[4] Now, I've taken the song "Love Is A Battlefield" by Pat Benatar and reversed it.  . . . I listen to the reversed series of notes, whether they be played by an instrument or sung, and try to find meaning in it. 

The subject of musical meaning and the composer's intentions in communicating meaning through music is a passion for me. In terms of historical writings and research from many particular perspectives, there is a lot out there (in many diverse fields of interest).  Perhaps you are already familiar with some of what's out there.  If not, and if you are interested  in these topics for more than a casual discussion, I would encourage you to continue to explore the subject with a passion.

As for me, some of "the literature" looks for meaning within music (from (a) microscopic to (b) macroscopic perspectives; for example from (a) the alleged meaning in intervals, frequency ratios, timbre, harmonics, etc. (microscopic) to (b ) meaning as based on or derived from large-scale things, such as culture, medium of communication, broad contexts, etc. (macroscopic)

For me (and I recognize everyone is different and has different thoughts on any given subject), meaning is something that humans (as individuals and groups of individuals from like-minded, relatively homogeneous groups--such as interest groups and "sub-cultures" to diverse, heterogeneous groups--such as "society") ascribe to different aspects of experience.

For example, people who like certain types/genres of music (traditional electronic music, ambient music, orchestral music, video game music, acid rock, etc.) might have a wider variety of experiences with regard to those favored genres and therefore a wider range of "meanings" (from descriptive/denotative meaning to evaluative/connotative meaning) than people who are unfamiliar with (or who dislike) those genres.

Someone who thinks of "electronic music" as dance music might hear "Poème électronique" and find "no meaning" in it (or maybe think its "just a bunch of sounds strung together," but certainly not "electronic music." On the other hand, someone else with a background in "traditional electronic music" might hear different pieces of dance-oriented "electronic music" and think "It's all the same."

I think your observations about comparing different versions of musical elements (such as reversing the order of notes, reversing a performance, etc.) and your speculations about the change in meaning based on the alterations are interesting. I am not sure this is a good forum for a "philosophical discussion" of this topic.  I chose to share some thoughts here since (1) you seem interested in the broader subject, (2) others might also be interested, (3) you seem to be leaning in the direction of meaning as being ascribed to music as opposed to meaning being inherent in music and the distinction might be of use in sorting through "the literature" if you (or others) are interested, etc.

Just some "food for thought" depending on your personal dietary preferences (a la what's music to someone might be "just noise" to someone else).

I explored Ctrlr a while ago, but decided I didn't want to invest the time to develop fluency with all the programming needed to build complex two-way panels (both to gear and from gear).  It was fairly easy to develop a one-way panel with buttons and sliders to control a few features of my E-Mu ROMplers. I never thought about it before, but it is a bit like a studioware panel. I used it in realtime, not with Cakewalk.  

From the panels I see posted there, it looks like users have been developing some sophisticated panels, some that even have skins that mimic gear!!!

It might be good to know if those panels could be used efficiently to interface with Cakewalk.

Just a thought in case anyone is interested.

11 hours ago, martsave martin s said:

hello out there,im trying to find where in cake theme editor (the text & the back ground texte?

can someone help me please

martin

I have worked with the text colors for midi, synth, and instrument names in the track view and in the console view.  I have not tweaked any background colors, yet.  You might want to look at the ones under "background." I have some sample track name colors. I will see if I can change some backgrounds, too.  It is something I have been wanting to try! 

UPDATE 1: I cannot get the background colors to change.  I will try again later.

UPDATE 2: Got it! See Focused and Unfocused Track Background Colors. 

3 hours ago, scook said:

This is the idea behind Lenses. There are several included with CbB.

I agree!!  Perhaps like Themes, users could make Lenses/Workspaces (from basic to complex), with sample screenshots and descriptions so other users can just drop the *.lns file (or whatever the extension will be for Workspaces) into the user Lens/Workspace folder.

However, mastering lenses/workspaces is not a simple task and I believe it is asking too much to expect new users to learn how to create customized/simple UIs when trying to wrap their heads around Cakewalk basics. The basic lens/workspace is one option; I am suggesting that perhaps other users (more experienced with lens/workspace design) can offer a wider range of basic and advanced options with a screenshot so users can see what they look like before trying them.

offensive alternative removed 

10 hours ago, Robert Bone said:

Just providing info on what is available, since it is not directly an option from the bus pane.  What is in place meets my needs wonderfully.  Inserting a bus is 2 mouse clicks and a rename, so that doesn't slow me down.  Particularly since most of what I am doing already comes in with one or more track templates, as needed.

If having the ability to insert a bus template is of value - perhaps a post asking for it in the Feedback forum would help the development folks see and consider it.

In case it is still not clear, I was not asking for the ability to "Insert from Bus Template" or suggesting that being able to right click in the bus pane area would be useful.  I was saying that I didn't see any benefits to either of these options. Maybe there are; I  just haven't seen them described. 

Sorry if it looked like I was asking for help on how to use Track Templates. Nevertheless, thanks for pointing out how easy it is to create them. 

From what little I have explored so far (see screenshots previously posted), I have some definite thoughts on how to integrate them into my existing work flow.   I need to sort that out along with integrating other advanced features I have not really explored fully over the decades.

When I get around to it, if I can't figure out how to do something, I will certainly want to call on your (and others') more extensive experience.**

Again, thanks for the discussion here as it has pointed me to explore Track Templates!  If other Cakewalk users (new and old, inexperienced and experienced) haven't yet explored them, maybe this thread will prompt them to do so.

**PS: When I do, I will probably either find a thread about Track Templates (how to create and use them) or create a "Creating and Using Templates" topic if one doesn't exist.  That way, this thread can return to thoughts related to Bus Templates. 

9 hours ago, Robert Bone said:

One of the options in the documentation I posted the link for, is to replace an existing track's settings, from a track template, where the track template brings its associated additional items with it, like a bus and effects and sends and whatnot, while replacing the existing track's settings, but leaving its clips and such in place.  Maybe that would be of value to you.  (That info is at the bottom of the page the link takes you to).

Bob Bone

I was not asking for suggestions. I was responding to the "Insert from Bus Template" issue.

Thanks for the additional information, but the details in the new posts and in the online help seem to me to be about track templates, not bus templates available directly from the bus pane of the track window.

I was under the impression that the thread was about having the ability to do something like right-click in the bus area of the track pane or to otherwise insert a bus from a bus template as opposed to using a track template.  Based on my tests, (1) I couldn't see the benefit there would be and (2) it seemed that buses and pre-associated sends could be inserted from track templates into new or existing projects.

It is good to know that the mechanism to create Track Templates is rather straight forward.

However, I still don't know if having an "Insert from Bus Template" option from the bus pane would add something new or if it would be simpler/easier than what I did.  (See screenshots above.)

12 hours ago, Nuno.P said:

What about bus templates?

With track templates and project templates you can insert bus but not directly.

11 hours ago, Nuno.P said:

In the Bus section you haven't got that option

Update: I thought, "Maybe my method doesn't add FX Sends and that's what the other methods do."  To test this, I opened up an existing project and tried another insertion from the "Insert from Track Template" menu system.  See below.  The template I chose added Master bus and a track with FX sends. 

Are you discussing adding (1) a new FX sends bus from a template and (2) having one or more existing tracks directed to that newly inserted bus all in one step?

This is giving me new ideas for revamping my workflow and new methods of creating templates and projects.  Thanks for raising the discussion.  

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