PavlovsCat

I suppose I should create a new thread for the finished song. I'll do that now. Of course, I still invite everyone's constructive criticism for improving the mix and performances. Thanks again to everyone for your feedback and encouragement. I really appreciate it.

Thanks for taking the time to explain that, Doug. I really appreciate it. It sounds like for $10 USD, I might as well bite, as I would think it could be inspiring with the right sounds, and for $10, why not?

I know that reference. Bill Withers was awesome.

Can the "inspired sounds" be played as chords -- like one does with say a synth patch in a multisampler or soft synth --or is more like something you'd play on a controller like MACHINE where you hit a pad and a single sample of say, a chord, plays? As I mainly have only used multisamples this plugin category is not one I'm very familiar with and am trying to figure out how it works and if it might be useful for me or not.

When I die, it is my greatest hope that sample developers will do a sale in my honor. I kid, I kid. Any reason for a sale! Presidents, deities, births, resurrections...Long live crass commercialism!!!

Guys, this is a total rookie type question, but I rarely use loops in my productions. I greatly use multisample libraries and mulyisample based VSTs (KONTAKT, Superior Drummer, Addictive Drums, MTron Pro, Battery...) that I can play with a midi controller keyboard or drum kit . I was wondering if CR-8 and Cosmos are mainly just useful for loops or and one shot samples for more EDM type music -- and especially, I was trying to understand if CR-8 can be used for creating playable instruments like multi-sample libraries I use in KONTAKT? Thanks in advance.

Also, I did get bothered that Madonna would be rude and insulting to you. Personally, if I had my choice of hanging out at the nerd table with Reid or the cool kid table with Madonna, the choice would be easy, I'd choose Reid.

Reid, I think like anything, the more of these you do, the more comfortable you're going to become. I think you're a natural storyteller -- which, of course, is a big part of being a successful publicist. I knew when I first saw a video you posted maybe a couple of years ago and I watched another video from your channel that you were a very interesting person, and of course, a lot of people are going to be interested in your stories of working with major stars as a publicist. That has very wide appeal, as you know. It's inevitable -- based on your other videos -- that as you do more of the storytelling videos, you'll become more comfortable and enjoy them more. We'll keep watching. I really love how the community reacted to your thread. I love seeing the encouragement and helpfulness -- this is what I love about this community. People here want to see you succeed, me included. And I don't think there's any question that you will succeed. Just don't forget us when your channel blows up and you're a big YouTube star!

Sure, you're not a mod, but you're the king. Maybe Reid was just getting your blessing -- like, "If Larry's good with it, I'm good with it." It's a respect thing.

That would be great. I hope that prediction comes true.

Wait, do you mean XO is selling for $19.99 somewhere or that Waves could raise the price and expand the samples Cosmos can read?

Reid, just as a digital marketer, I think your instincts are right on this move. I think you're more likely to see these videos get the numbers you want. On a related note, if you haven't already done so, make sure you optimize your videos, descriptions and tags for search. Search Engine Journal is a really good resource if you're looking to understand the area. Best of luck. I watched and gave your video a like, I hope others will do the same and support one of our own. Nice job on the video, it's very interesting.

So much for privacy. There was a time when I didn't want my real name broadcast here, but after getting exposed here several times, I suppose I stopped worrying about it. But I wish they could stop that from happening.

But every so often the forum switches to my real name and Larry said it happens to him too. I wonder whether it was intentional or not? On a related note, I don't think I've seen a post from him in several hours, which lead me to speculating, does Larry sleep? I was pretty certain that he doesn't sleep judging from how prolific he is at updating the forum!

Well, thanks for bringing some positivity to the thread, Zo. It needed it! Have a good one. Peace,

That's a lot to digest! I just thought we would have an intelligent discussion on WUP. I think people were really focused on the small details of how a subscription plan works and when I tried to explain the analogy I made, the point of which is that WUP has a lot in common with a subscription model, not the small details of a subscription model and I never intended to go down a rabbit hole about the small details, which wasn't the point. The point was the lack of disclosure by Waves about how their WUP works prior to the sale. But the discussion went down a rabbit hole of small details instead of the point of my post that a few people wanted to argue with me about that quickly turned into a pile on. But man everyone, we can disagree without demeaning others, without resorting to hostility. I love this community because of how kind people are. Can we get back to that? Anyone can disagree with me -- I have teenage kids and they love to disagree with me -- that's fine; I raised them to be critical thinkers and not blindly accept what others say (hahaha, not fully realizing what would happen over the years, what the heck do I know?). But if I write something and someone responds and then I respond to clarify my own point, it shouldn't devolve into a series of personal attacks and insults. If I'm taking the time to respond to you, I obviously respect you enough to give you a thoughtful reply. I would hope others will do the same. We can all disagree and be passionate about our points without it devolving into hostility. Well, at least I hope we can going forward.

If anyone knows of any other great presets people have made for the Famous E -- or if you've made some yourself you'd like to share, I think it would be great to share them in this thread, at least I'd really appreciate that! While this library has A LOT of great presets, as the musician who made the YouTube video in Larry's original post made very clear, it's still possible to create something different -- and in this case, something that sounds great. For me, it's a pretty big deal, because I really don't have the skill set to make great presets and rely on presets others make. Heck, I remember the days where people would share Addictive Drums and Superior Drummer presets -- which I haven't seen happening in many years -- and getting those presets, for me, was sometimes be like getting a whole new library for free.

Anyhow, let's move on. I think I'm done discussing WUP at this forum for a while. I'll leave that topic to Fleer.

You wrote the exact term I just posted. Technically, that is literally able to be called a quote whether or not you use quotation marks. That is in an indisputable fact. Your comment solely referred to my comment referencing the term "subscription model," not anything else in the thread. No other post in the thread even had anything remotely similar in it to mine, so you clearly weren't referencing someone else. Look at page one or two prior to your comment clearly referring to my comment. I've cut and pasted my original comment and your response to it below so you can clearly see. After I saw that a few people were really focusing on the minutia of the subscription model -- which wasn't my point -- I edited my post's first sentence with, I believe, two words to clarify, as I think my writing was a bit clumsy (I wrote it on my phone pretty quickly): "On a serious note, WUP is just another, more deceptive way to push what is pretty close to a subscription model-- and for the second license is q subscription (you have to purchase an annual license and the second installation will no longer work if you do not keep renewing WUP), which is not clearly specified to a prospective customer prior to a purchase. I'm a marketing pro that has consulted to probably two dozen sample and plugin developers and written extensively on marketing strategy, but I only learned about WUP after I purchased a bunch of Waves plugins. It didn't leave a good taste in my mouth and since learning, I generally buy from other developers for the most part. One thing is very clear, Waves has the largest army of influencers shilling for them of any dev I can think of. " THIS IS YOUR COMMENT THAT FOLLOWS MY COMMENT THAT QUOTES WHAT I WROTE ("SUBSCRIPTION MODEL') -- AT THAT POINT NO ONE ELSE HAD BROUGHT UP THE TERM "SUBSCRIPTION MODEL" OR MADE EVEN A HINT OF A REFERENCE TO IT: "WUP is annoying but subscription model comparison is not quite right. Waves plugins work fine for years without paying WUP. I used RBass for 5 years without paying. Most subscription models stop working when you stop paying. " FTR, I wasn't offended by your above comment in any way. I just wanted to clarify my point -- which I realized that was made in a pretty clumsy manner (I'm referring to my comment not being as clear as it could have been, which I later tried to revise after you and someone else really focused on the subscription model comparison I made). To your point, misquote wasn't the precise term., I meant that you quoted me and --I'm quite certain --and meant that you quoted me but really didn't reflect the point I was making, which was not that WUP was identical to a subscription model, but that it had a lot in common with a subscription model. which I find is an ethically questionable way to introduce their WUP, which has some major aspects that share some elements with the subscription model -- which is the recurring revenue, that after a one year period, to get support and updates you need to pay -- and especially when it comes to the installation on a second computer, which works identically to a subscription model. My point wasn't to argue that WUP is identical to a subscription model and go down a rabbit hole with anyone, which is what ended up happening. And, I realize that there's a lot of heated debate over the subscription model itself, which wasn't my issue with Waves practices either. My issue is over the lack of clear disclosure upfront -- before a prospect makes a purchase -- of how Waves software works, because it isn't the norm in the music software world and I think that ethically necessities that the seller disclose that upfront, otherwise, the avg consumer is likely to assume that their software will follow industry norms. Just look at the various message board comments from Waves customers discussing WUP. My issue as someone who has personally brought a bunch of Waves plugins after understanding WUP isn't the issue, in this discussion. Now that I understand that a Waves plugin only comes with a license for one computer for one year of updates and s support and that an additional computer license must be purchased and comes with WUP, and only allows you to use that software for one year, when I make a decision to purchase another Waves plugin, I fully understand the deal. So I will concede that my referring to you misrepresenting my point as a misquote was imprecise language on my part, and that clearly angered you. I am sorry, I didn't intend to anger you or upset you in any way. However, it still doesn't justify your personal attacks, name calling and slanderous statements. We can disagree, but we must always remain civil, and your behavior clearly crossed lines into incredibly uncivil territory.

First you called me a "liar" and claimed that you weren't referring to my post with your post that very clearly referenced my post. I am the authoritative source on what I wrote and intended and I was comparing WUP to a subscription model, not saying it was one. You restated what I wrote as me stating that WUP is a subscription model and I was clarifying that was not what I meant. Now you're making even more attacks and projecting that I'm insulting you and arrogant. You completely violated forum policy with personal attacks. Please do not comment on my posts going forward. I will not respond to you and your attacks any more.

Your above posts came four posts after me and no one else brought up the subscription model in the thread but me. Here's my original post, that I later edited for clarity as I realized my remark was misunderstood: "On a serious note, WUP is just another, more deceptive way to push what is pretty close to a subscription model-- and for the second license is q subscription (you have to purchase an annual license and the second installation will no longer work if you do not keep renewing WUP), which is not clearly specified to a prospective customer prior to a purchase. I'm a marketing pro that has consulted to probably two dozen sample and plugin developers and written extensively on marketing strategy, but I only learned about WUP after I purchased a bunch of Waves plugins. It didn't leave a good taste in my mouth and since learning, I generally buy from other developers for the most part. One thing is very clear, Waves has the largest army of influencers shilling for them of any dev I can think of. " End of topic. Let's move on.

No one's claiming to be a victim. On page one, after my post you clearly referenced/responded to my post. Your page one post in its entirety: "WUP is annoying but subscription model comparison is not quite right. Waves plugins work fine for years without paying WUP. I used RBass for 5 years without paying. Most subscription models stop working when you stop paying. " That is what I referred to when I stated that you misstated/misunderstood what I wrote. I didn't write that as an insult, which I think is how, unfortunately, you interpreted it. The point of my original remark was not that Waves has a subscription model, but that their WUP serves much of the same purpose in generating recurring revenue but it isn't clear upfront like a subscription model. Anyhow, that's all. I definitely won't be responding to any of your posts beyond this thread going for forward. Peace.

From now on I know, controversial topics include politics, religion, vaccines, masks...and WUP.

First, wow, this has become a pile on. Can you not engage in calling others names like liar? You clearly posted referring to my statement that Waves WUP was like a backhanded way to do something very much like a subscription model and that the second license could rightfully be termed a subscription model. I'm a strategist. I've done a lot of writing and thinking about strategy and I find Waves practice problematic and I was doing my best to explain why. You referenced my statement using the phrase "subscription model" in your post following my post. State what you like now and name call, but anyone who sees your post can see that you were clearly referencing my post and used the phrase "subscription model" that I used in my post -- that's a quote. That's a simple fact. But in any event, there's no need for personal attacks. I absolutely didn't state anything false. There's no justification for your attacks. You responded to my post and I referenced you responding to my comment. It shouldn't get to the point of you making personal attacks and your over the top slanderous statement claiming I lied. Find the quote I made that you are proclaiming is a lie and repost it. .Clearly, what occurred is that when you posted your comment disagreeing with my comment and I responded, you became enraged and turned to a baseless character attack on me -- something I never expected when I made my comment, to be very candid --, which is incredibly out of line and against forum policy and it doesn't seem that you are going to stop with your personal attacks. This was your post referencing my post using the comparison to a subscription model (I added the emphasis for you and others to see your using the exact phrase from my comment you were referring to with the term "subscription model"; your doing that is literally technically considered quoting me -- whether or not you use quotes, that is what I was referring to when I referred to your post, although it was clumsy grammar on my part to say you were misquoting me; I was on my phone, I meant that you misunderstood what I wrote when you quoted the phrase "subscription model" -- that's all I meant, and I really don't see how you have come at me with such incredible vitriol over this, it's really over the top): "WUP is annoying but subscription model comparison is not quite right. Waves plugins work fine for years without paying WUP. I used RBass for 5 years without paying. Most subscription models stop working when you stop paying. "

It's not on sale at the moment. Larry's original post shared a video of a very talented keyboardist made playing the library and the musician who made the video shared a really nice preset he made.