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41 minutes ago, Promidi said:

And then there is this from Plugin Boutique tech support after requesting the installers...

"Due to a severe technical issue with the Windows versions of various AIR Music Technology & SONiVOX software, we have made the decision to remove the affected products from the Plugin Boutique site whilst we wait for the updated installers which will fix this problem. As a result of this, we recommend that Windows 10 users DO NOT download or install any AIR Music Technology/SONiVOX software. "

Like I mentioned earlier, there is something going on with recent versions of their installers. This confirms it.

Nothing wrong with the instruments themselves though... they still work fine.

Voice Ohs is in TTS-1 Preset > Ensemble > 064 000 Voice Oohs.

1 hour ago, Ludwig said:

This seems to be true. I found out that the "chord" information is part of Yamaha's SMF format extension ("XF format") as described in the following document (see p. 19 ff.)

XF Specification.pdf 191.07 kB · 0 downloads

As long as cakewalk does not support the XF format, it will probably not export the chords.

Anyway - thank you for your support.

Support for the Yamaha XF data format.

Yamaha owns Steinberg.

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Cubase supports the Yamaha XF format. XF is an extension of the standard MIDI file format that allows you to save song-specific data with a MIDI file of type 0.

When importing a MIDI file containing XF data, this data is placed in parts on separate tracks called “XF Data”, “Chord Data”, or “SysEx Data”. You can edit such a part in the List Editor (e. g. to add or change lyrics).

Important

Do not change the order of events within the XF data or the event data itself, unless you have a lot of experience with XF data.

Cubase can also export XF data as part of a MIDI file of type 0. If you do not want to export the XF data together with the MIDI data, mute or delete the tracks containing the XF data.

https://steinberg.help/cubase_elements_le_ai/v9/en/cubase_nuendo/topics/file_handling/file_handling_for_yamaha_xf_data_format_supported_c.html

Congrats on the new machine. Glad it's working well for you!

AAS Objeq Delay is cool! Have had it for a couple of years.

Yes, the dupes are a bit annoying, but fairly simple to eliminate. AAS is a great company and their products and support are top notch!

My AIR installers that were downloaded 5 years ago via my Plugin Boutique do not include Pace iLok installers. I have them all archived, and no problem here when re-installing them. In fact, the install instructions back then listed a required step for going directly to iLok and registering for an account and getting the iLok set up and product serials activated BEFORE installing the instruments.

I don't know what has happened to AIR since then, but according to the reports I have read online, AIR must have changed something in the installers since. But evidently not for the better regarding PACE.

Ironically,  I do not believe AIR has made any actual updates to the instruments themselves in 5 years or so...

1 hour ago, Soundwise said:

Interesting! Have you tried it with different buffer sizes? I have and also experimented with different drivers.

Well that was as low as I could go with buffers with live soft synths in the mix. Now I'm noticing that the audio path cuts out briefly as you switch monitors on Ocean Way, which doesn't happen with Abbey Road. This is also apparent on the master bus meters.

At lower buffer settings this causes a glitch (static) in the audio as well, but at 512 or 1024 it's just a momentary audio dropout.

Here's an example:

Let's say I play a C major chord at middle C at C4 on a keyboard with first inversion, and record it as a MIDI clip. The MIDI data recorded would store three separate note on, and note off events at the same time stamp for that C, E, and G, with velocity data, and any other controllers in use at the time. Basically like an old time player piano with holes punched in paper for each note, but a little more sophisticated.

Then it would be up to the program or device playing back the resulting MIDI file to recognize and interpret/display the presence of the C major chord, if it has the capability of chord recognition. The MIDI file is not saying, "hey, here's a chord".

You might have better luck importing your MIDI into a notation program that can export MusicXML, and marking it up there, then sharing in MusicXML format.

2 hours ago, Soundwise said:

Agreed! I'm by no means a heavy hitter.

Just uploaded a video comparison between OW and AR NX series plugins.  As usual, take it for what it's worth. Enjoy!

Sorry for the delayed response. My music and video projects drive went belly up a few days ago. Had to replace it.

Not seeing the glitch here with Ocean Way.

Running a project at 48/24 ASIO buffers at 256. With five VSTi instances on 5 instrument tracks. 3 FX plugins, 2 on tracks and one on master bus.

I thought ACID was cool when it first came out. Long time ago.

But I eventually got bored with searching for audio loops. I much prefer MIDI clips. You can easily make them sound any way you want, instead of going into a workflow loop searching for the perfect sounding audio loop... ?

But the funny thing now is you can use Acidized loops right inside Cakewalk. No need to leave home!

26 minutes ago, Kevin Perry said:

Not include it?

Better yet, maybe an up to date replacement! For example Steinberg HALion Sonic SE and Studio One Presence can play GM sounds and respond to program changes.

I understand the limitations of an end-of-life Roland product without fixes and maintenance.

I have even seen other products that include an internal sound font engine for General MIDI playback. There are a few GM sound fonts available that could be used.

First guess: I don't believe that "chord" is part of the MIDI specification. Only valid MIDI data is exported to a '.mid' MIDI file. Anything else that was added by Cakewalk gets stripped out with that export.

Cakewalk is capable of containing a lot of additional info in a project beyond just MIDI data.

To retain any project info beyond MIDI, you need to save it as a Cakewalk '.cwp' project file.

I grabbed the full version at the beginning of the month when PluginBoutique was having a sale.

Just out of curiosity, I moved this MIDI song that John provided over to Reaper to see what TTS-1 could do over there. As far as I know, Reaper is among the few other DAWs that can use DXi plugins, which is what TTS-1 is rather than VSTi.

I got the MIDI tracks opened in a new project there, and inserted TTS-1 as an instrument on a new track. Then routed the MIDI tracks to TTS-1.

During playback the first time, all TTS-1 audio output went silent about halfway through the song. Stopping and restarting the transport did not restore audio, and neither did saving, closing, and restarting the project. Restarted Reaper. Still no good.

I had to delete the track and TTS-1, and re-insert a fresh instance of TTS-1 to get the audio to resume.

I'm beginning to wonder if DXi may be meeting it's end of days on Windows 10?

Disclaimer: I'm usually not using Reaper much for anything. I know the basics, but not an expert! Use it mostly as a test DAW, as it is usually bulletproof and the routing is very accessible and transparent. So when I encounter weird plugin behavior in Cakewalk or other DAWs I usually see if I can reproduce it in Reaper.

I ran a Waves update yesterday before I did the Cakewalk update. I have v12 and did not encounter the file locked issue.

I wonder if Waves has fixed the V12 bug?

Well, since I already had the Abbey Road Collection, and then I received a few free plugins last year in a deal,  I chose the NX Abbey Road Studio (not included in the Collection) without trying the demo first because it looked cool. Not because I have ever thought mixing on headphones was cool but I liked the idea of a room simulation, especially one that could potentially transport me into that famous studio! ?

I thought is was just OK, but not something I would use a lot. But it does include a profile for my headphones, the Sennheiser HD-280 Pro.

So with the new NX Ocean Way Nashville, I decided to check out the demo first, and A/B with NX Abbey Road Studio. Especially before I read the Gearslutz reviews and let them get into my head. ?

But I could definitely hear the difference, and Ocean Way is an improvement. I hope Waves goes back and updates Abbey Road!

Pulled the trigger on this deal last night! And I do agree with the consensus on Gearslutz!

I didn't get that message, but I had to close my browser and Cakewalk before the update would run.

All good now!

13 hours ago, John Vere said:

I've never had an issue with TTS-1 since way back when CbB first was released.  Might be this new release is leaving pour old TTS-1 in the dust.

I had the TTS-1 issues while running Cakewalk 2020.11, so it's not just the latest release of Cakewalk.

I've never had any issues before while just leaving multi-out disabled.

5 minutes ago, Larry Shelby said:

Microsoft Visual C++ Libraries would be considered 3rd Party resources I assume, but 
can't say that that is what this applies to

Larry, you have a point there. Most all commercial Windows application software is tied into 3rd party resources, especially those from Microsoft. But there are many other vendors as well that they have to license from.

For example, here are the 3rd party resources that Cakewalk by BandLab credits in the "About" screen:

2 hours ago, locrian said:

Does anyone know what "Third Party Resources" refers to on the Analog Lab and Pigments installers?

Do you have a link to what you are asking about?

I'll have to say, based on that experience yesterday,  that I wouldn't recommend trying to do any complex projects with TTS-1. It's just too old and doesn't appear to play well with the new Cakewalk. Not sure what's going on, but I sense a general instability that I don't get with Kontakt Player or SampleTank Max.

So I will just continue to keep using TTS-1 to open and audition GM files, then swap it out with current VSTi's. That's what it's very good at, and I've never had any problems in that regard.

18 minutes ago, John Vere said:

Well weirdly enough that didn't work. I opened the original midi file again, and when I hit play Cakewalk crashed!! I haven't seen that for ages.  

I got the Fatal Error box and before I could read it Cakewalk closed with a bang. I've heard this about the TTS-1 but never had it happen before.  

So I tried again and its fine?  

 

I didn't mention it earlier, but I encountered some weirdness while I was auditioning VST FX presets with the TTS-1 multi outs enabled. I encountered garbled audio sometimes on the instrument I was playing as I changed VST FX presets. That corrected itself  when I stopped and restarted the transport. I finally bumped up my ASIO buffers and shut everything else running on the PC down, as I was also seeing fairly high CPU use across all cores. I got one Cakewalk crash and an audio engine dropout, but finished what I was trying to do..

34 minutes ago, John Vere said:

Good job on the TTS-1 Version @abacab  Still sounds like the TTS-1 but a most passable mix for sure. I see you kept that B2 snare, I could never figure what that  sound was for, electro snare for Disco? 

In a way it's too bad the TTS-1 does not have the full 16 channel output. You could then put the drum kit using channels 10 through 16 assign kit pieces each of those channels and process the sounds a bit that way.

I didn't intentionally "keep" any particular instruments sounds, I just left all "as-is" from the original MIDI file GM, so they are the assigned instruments. Made no MIDI edits or any other alterations to the original file. Just saved it as a Cakewalk project and messed with effects and TTS-1 outputs. Left piano & drums on output 1, and put guitar, bass, and organ separately on outputs 2, 3, & 4.

You get to keep the best free DAW!

Updates for Analog Lab 5 and Pigments 2 as well.