Amberwolf

I freeze, then I clone the entire track, fx, contents, clips, envelopes, sends, etc (and verify input set to none) to a new track and rename that track to "rendered" plus whatefver the name was. Then unfreeze the synth so I can use it for more stuff (sometimes with the same preset, sometimes with a different one, sometimes just with different fx or slightly differnet fx settings, when I'm sure I will be using a particular bit of stuff in a synth track as-is.

EDIT: gave this one it's own thread now Nine Thumbnails On A Dark Screen Seen Dexter? These are the people he hunts, doing their hunting.... , fairly grungy dark piece. https://amberwolf.bandcamp.com/track/nine-thumbnails-on-a-screen The name came from something my brother was saying in an unrelated conversation about something someone else complained about online how all the little thumbnails on the screen were too hard to see, and my brain went somehwere completely different with both screen and thumbnails....you probably wont' like the cover art once I get that done becuase it'll be the other kind of thumbnails and screen. the sound itself was an accident, i was trying to get something setup that would have been in the same vein as The Last Flight but accidentally dropped the bas line and some other bits into a track with grungy distortion fx, and when i hit play it sounded too interesting to let go of. so it's still a WIP, still building the vocalizations track, gotta figure out chord changes, etc, might get longer (only a couple minutes so far), but it's still interesting. Probably a ways to go before it's "done", but feedback would be useful. 08-06-25: 080625 000001 000028c -- First Public Version 08-07-25: 080625 000001 100043g - vocal fixes, tempo changes, breaths, etc 08-10-25: 080625 000001 100060j - retouch backing sounds

I still like the "sound" I get from my 1990s GadgetLabs Wave8*24....but I can't use it in my laptop cuz it's a PCI card and external rack box cabled to it with a shielded DB25. Last driver I know of (user-created) is from around 2014, and works on win10 IIRC. (at least win7). You might see if the Avid drivers for their versions of th M-Audio stuff work on it (probably not, but I'm still running my Avid version in Win10).

Yes, yes I am. And proud of it. I avoid listening to anything at all if I can help it, to let the stuff always in my head do it's thing instead (so much of it is lost because of the world outside). I have no choice about the overhead at work; if I could I'd disconnect all the speakers from the "music" system and leave just the pager. I doubt anything I do is any better, but...I do it anyway.

Sounds like most of the "modern" music on our overhead system at work. I'd rather hear anything the system plays from the previous century, all the way back to the 50s, than just about anything it plays from this one. (I don't know much about most music but I can hear the way things are mixed/etc and the sounds and the type of vocals and guess which side of the time border they came from). I'm tempted to try a remix of that so it would be so totally different that I wouldn't want to stab my brain having to hear it over and over again while doing it. Maybe mix it up with some Elven like the piece I did here (that is a <1minute section out of Behind You Lie Many Unseen): https://amberwolf.bandcamp.com/track/behind-you-lie-many-unseen-no-really-just-the-elven-rock-section

I uploaded a couple of short edits of Behind You Lie many Unseen with just the "Elven rock" part, one with a bit of intro from teh previous section, and one without, for the listeners I've had on Bandcamp that the stats show did not listen far enough to hear that section, since it's so totally different from the rest of it. https://amberwolf.bandcamp.com/track/behind-you-lie-many-unseen-just-the-elven-rock-section https://amberwolf.bandcamp.com/track/behind-you-lie-many-unseen-no-really-just-the-elven-rock-section

@Max Arwood@Larry T. @treesha I uploaded a couple of short edits of this piece, just the "Elven rock" part, one with a bit of intro from teh previous section, and one without, for the listeners I've had on Bandcamp that the stats show did not listen far enough to hear that section, since it's so totally different from the rest of it, and I think that section is cool. https://amberwolf.bandcamp.com/track/behind-you-lie-many-unseen-just-the-elven-rock-section https://amberwolf.bandcamp.com/track/behind-you-lie-many-unseen-no-really-just-the-elven-rock-section

Thanks! I'll try them out; there are a number of Splat UI things I find hard to see/use, and was going to start experimenting, but if yours save me time with that it would really help even if I still have to change stuff. I'm still using older versions (7, 6, etc), partly because Splat's UI is...less than useful for me, and the toolbars are pretty much all wrong my usage and needs (I need things to be in the same places so i can just use it and not have to fix mistakes from doing things that "always" worked...don't see a way to do that in Splat, so will have to just disable all the toolbars to keep them out of harm's way and do things with keybindings). But at least I can see how much of the UI can be fixed with your themes. Splat has useful features not in my versions, so I can at least use them if I do it this way, and still do the majority of my stuff in the versions that work the way I need them to.

I'd like to try some of htem out on my old Splat, if you still have them up somewhere. (I thought there was a link in your signature for them, but I must be thinking of someone else as I don't see it now).

When you open the previously saved versions of the same file, are the tracks still in their folders?

Colors and customization is *essential* functionality for various users (the percentage of which I wouldn't begin to guess), including myself. People wouldn't be asking for it if they didn't need it.

I used to have this happen on a system I used for watching videos / dvds / tv shows, where for constant output volume I used Hermann Seib's VSThost program (which itself doesn't have a problem) to host just hte MDA multiband (which itself doesn't have a problem) using the computer's onboard audio...over time a delay would build up and build up, desyncing vidoe and audio , and crackles would get worse and worse. No driver version or method would make a differenc,e neither did buffers, etc. HS'VST host has an Engine restart button, and I just learned to use that to resync things. Later I used a different host LightHost, problem remained but LH doesn't have an engine restart button, so you have to exit it and restart it. Both setups use VBcable audio virtual cable to connect between the host and whateve rprograms were being used, then the onboard audio driver was the direct output of the host. VBcable has a number of settings, but none of htem made a difference either. I never used a different VC, so maybe that would've fixed it, but I doubt it--I expect it was just something in the audio driver itself. A few different audio interfaces were tried, to no change; a little USB "behringer" thing from goodwill, and the audio of an external display box by Targus (actualy two different ones) I never figured out for sure what the issue was; just had to use the workarounds. EDIT for clarity: That system wasn't used for DAW work, just general use. Later I tested on the DAW system, but not with the DAW audio interface, or at the same time as using the DAW itself. Same results if I used it long enough (hours, days, etc).

l;et us know if those didn't work so we can figure somethng else out

A layout is just a way to choose how the plugins in any particular place youc an insert them (fx bins, synthrack, etc0 will be displayed, and which ones, so you could folderize them in various ways, etc. It does not change which kinds of plugins can be inserted into which bins--that's determined by the plugin itself. EDIT: see below the stricken-out stuff below for probably better instructions: Hopefully I'm wrong and this has changed with modern versions of Sonar, but AFAIK you can only insert "MFX" into a midi fx bin, so if the plugin you want to use there does not show up in the plugin manager under the MFX category, it can't be inserted into a midi fx bin, so VST's can't be used directly in midi tracks. You can insert a VST that has a midi out into the synthrack as a synth, choosing to enable it's midi out in the process if it isn't already. Then in the midi track you want to record it's output in, you set the input port to that VST's output. If youw ant to hear it live you'd have to enable the input monitoring on that track. I don't have the plugin youve got there, so I can't give you routing specifics, but you might be able to make it work like this: go into the plugin's own settings / etc and set the input to come from a speicfic port, as I don't think Sonar outputs MIDI to a VST (unless modern versions now do this). Use an external midi loopback driver outside Sonar, (like Tobias's loopMidi, etc), and set the midi track(s) to send to that instead of whateve rsynth they're driving, and then set the VST's input to read that port. Then the VST outputs to it's own port, and that feeds whatever tracks or synths you want it's data to be processed or used by. I'ts been a while since I experimented with it, but I think I had to do that with hypercyclic? Sorry i don't recall all the details anymore. EDIT: Google's Ai thingy says it's simpler than that:

Well, the point was that if you are using 2-prong wall connnections, then you probably won't experience the issue with them, beause the problem is probably a ground loop via the third pin on the regular comptuer's ac cord. (since the problem went away when you used a two prong adapter for it). So ther'es something in the grounding of the overall electrical system, probably of the room itself, that is likely the root cause. Could be in the pc itself, but it "takes two to tango" for msot of the ground loop problems I've run across so something else at the audio end would also be involved.

While making a milkshake in the kitchen, and using a vintage hand juicer as a strainer to get the strawberry powder out of an oatmeal packet into a bit of tupperware, the sound it was making begged to be percussion, so I took it into the quietest room and recorded it with my phone, transferred those to the computer, and edited bits of them into this project here and there. Bonus points if you can find them. 073025: 073425 000001 200148z -- added oatmeal tupperware shakers and vintage juicer percussion, other tweaks, etc. EDIT: apparently it's not actually a juicer, it's a potato-ricer.... :lol: :oops:

Somebody told me that the AI likes it too 😆

Thanks! I'm still adding touches here and there (like the servo sounds (from the servos for my wolfy-bot) as a subtle underlay for the weird neurofunk-bass sound I used in the beginning and here and there throughout the song). Still working on making the "orchestral" percussion pieces more realistically played. Don't really know how to do it so am just experimenting until it sounds right--some of it's done, some still in progress. Any bits you happen to hear "off" if you can post a time for them I can fix them. Still taking tiny pieces out, too, or turning parts down (or individual notes) to better smooth things out where needed.

Do the mini pc's use two pronged ac adapter cords? Or do they use a 3 prong cord directly to the back of the pc case (no external ac adapter block)?

The most likely problem is a driver, probably an audio driver, that auto updated to soemthing broken or incompatible with something else. Not much, but a place to start, perhaps. Noel Borthwick just posted this thread https://discuss.cakewalk.com/topic/89074-using-microsoft-windbg-to-capture-crash-dumps-when-one-is-not-automatically-saved/?do=getNewComment that shows how to setup to capture crash logs, you may be able to use those to find out which thing is causing the crash in each case.

FWIW, holding down a key causes the keyboard to repeat the key. Some keyboards, like the tecware rgb I use (found at goodwill for a few bucks, is worth every penny ), can have their repeat rates programmed. If you have one of these types of customizable keyboards, and can slow the rate down it may help you make an impossible thing into something much more normal. If you don't have this kind of keyboard, you may be able to still decrease the repeat rate in the Ease of Access panel in Windows.

Before my housefire over a decade ago, this house was wired such that some outlets in some rooms were wired to one side of the junction box, and others to the other side. Some had grounds, some did not. Some had hot and neutral or even ground swapped. Some had one outlet in the pair actually disconnected inside the box, where the little snip tabs were cut, but the other outlet was wired to "nothing"--it had romex to it, but it only went a foot or two up the wall, and ended.... All sorts of wierd stuff. (in the decades prior to my residence, it had been rewired by an "engineer" 👀 according to the landlord (why the LL hadn't fixed all that, knowing it was there, I dunno)). I fixed all those pretty quick as soon as I found them, but I found them because wiring up my computers and audio gear and stuff in my room would pop breakers (becuase they were interconnected via various grounds in the cables, or even some old gear (or it's ac adapters) that had the neutral wired to the case and internal grounds, effectively connecting neutral to ground....so outlets wried backwards were effectively shorting across hot and neutral and ground! (at least it was better than the previous place, which literally had a single 20A screw in fuse for the *entire house*...it had probably been built around the early 50's, while the place I'm in now was probably the late 60s or early 70s. I don't really remember the details of the farmhouse I lived in before that in rural texas but the power went out all the time and was shared with a water well pump for the landlord's cattle ponds so we had to pay for that electricity, and resulted in more than one impossible bill when the pump failed (shorted? dunno, I was too young and didn't know enough electrical stuff then).

Files that suddenly change which folder they're in is usually a sign of the tables on the drive that store where things actually are vs the pointers that say where they are vs where all the little piece of the actual file data are, are corrupted. In this event, you can often "find" files by name, but when you attempt to open they methey are often damaged, corrupt, or unreadable because they dont' actually contain the data that is associated with that filename. That's usually a hardware problem, usually a drive issue. Very occasionally it is an operating system issue. Regarding the upgrade...I highly recommend first cloning your entire harddisk to an entirely new harddisk (that you first run a complete surface test of). Then remove your existing harddisk completely, and put the clone in and boot it up to make sure it works. *then* upgrade *that new drive*. You will have a working copy of your old system and data in the one you removed, and you will have a new working system with whatever changes you want to make to it, so youc an swap between them if necessary to troubleshoot issues. Most computers these days support OS boot from a USB device, so if you use a good external USB case for the new drive during the copy process (instead of one of those transfer-only type cables without a case), you can then swap the two drives so the old one is now external, and can be kept safely in a drawer somewhere when not actually in use. But when you need to test someting old OS vs new, to figure out what's going wrong (even though that *never* happens ), you can just set your computer to boot from external USB and connect that old drive up. If you're lucky enough to have eSATA connectors on the computer, you can get a drive case that uses those instead of USB.

Given the response to my last thoughts I posted, I'm not sure it's good idea to even reply, but I'll put it out there: I don't know what drivers expose or what apps can actually see internally....is there a way to code Sonar to tell what the audio driver actually is, and simply "firewall" out all the known problem drivers, so that when Sonar is about to enumerate / test / etc all the drivers, it simply ignores any that are in the problem list. The list could be kept in the aud.Ini file instead of being hard-coded so that if a user actually has to use or test one of them for some reason, that line could be commented out. I'm sure someone has already thought of and discarded this idea, but in case not.... (puts firesuit on)

Does the track correctly include when you do a non-realtime-export? If not, it might ebe a synth that doesn't respond well to fast bounce function, and you might have ot temporarily turn that off when you freeze it (IIRC in freeze options) so that it does a realtime freeze, which is essentially the same as playing it back live and should work normally.