Amberwolf

Grooveplayer was part of SONAR (possibly also CbB and/or newer versions of Sonar), not part of Windows.

If you need Grooveplayer, and if it's not installed as part of the version of Sonar or CbB your'e installing, then you'd have to install it from your older version.

If you don't need GP then you can look in the given location for it and unregister it, so that it isn't being looked for by anything.   

The unregistering process varies depending on your system and the file you're unregistering, so I don't have exact directions for you, but there have been posts here and elsewhere on the internet about this over the years. 

4 hours ago, User 905133 said:

Maybe I have some old hard drives 

Do any of them have card-edge connectors?    (I don't still have my 5MB Tandon....)

If the current version is like my ancient one, be careful *where* you click in the ruler.  In mine you sset now time by clicking in the bottom half, but clicking in the top half selects *ALL* of the timeline.      (clickng and dragging in that part selects just that part of the timeline.)

Since i can't control myu movements all that well most of the time, that causes me no end of problems. 

Ok.  Well, since you won't tell us what your settings were, we can't know if anything we might have said would have helped.

Glad you got it working anyway.

Presumably the speakers are powered from the wall AC sockets (the headphones wouldn't be), so you may have a ground loop; this would only be audible in the things connected to the wall.

Is the new computer a laptop?  If so, unplug it's ac adapter and see if ti goes away.  if it does, you can get isolation devices for the ac adapter (1:1 transformers that go between it and the wall) that should fix this.

If it's a desktop then you don't have the option of unplugging it, but you could move it to the same outlet as the speakers as a test.   

Also, if the interfrace has it's own ac adapter, *that* could be the source of the groundloop.  

6 hours ago, aka Talmadge. said:

All files and settings are correct but "over night" no longer working.🙁

What *are* your specific settings for the metronome?  Audio? MIDI?  etc etc...

What do you see in the Event List for the notes that are getting stuck (vs any that don't), and/or for that moment in time? 

33 minutes ago, Steven Gerard said:

Four plus years later and I'm just learning this.  I've been using a Scarlett 4i4 with my keyboard plugged into the fixed line rear inputs, 3 and 4, and was not getting enough gain. 

The manual says

LINE INPUTS 3 and 4 – 2 x ¼” TRS jacks; these are balanced inputs for use with additional line level sources e.g., from a keyboard, synth module or FX unit.

Were the sources also TRS balanced outputs?   Or just TS?  How were the cables used wired?  TS to TS?  I don't know what the best wiring should be for that situation, so you may have to research that if you don't already know. 😊 

Does the focusrite control software have any adjustments for those inputs?  (it has some for the front inputs)

Do the instruments being used have gain controls in them?  (some equipment has settings for +4dBu vs  -10dBv; my GadgetLabs Wave8*24 has this for each channel separately in the control panel (IIRC it's also in the original CP, but it is definitely in the user-created drivers kept updated over the years for it).  

16 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

users of organic brains, the internet, libraries and all other knowledge databases seem to often neglect to make use of the search function,

fixed that for you.

In addition, in every forum / format I've ever been part of, a poster reading the replies to the question they posted is also often neglected, either partially or completely.     I'll just leave out the whole answering helper's questions to be able to help them thing.

On topic, not that it matters, but I'd prefer the perpetual license just be available, at all.  Would probably be find if it was just for whatever the then-current-version of SONAR is, doesn't matter what the included extra content is.  That can all be licensed separately once it's updated / available / etc.  (suer, there will be people upset that it isn't bundled...or that it's bundled now but wasn't when they got their license, etc., but at least they could *get* the perpetual license. ) 

If you need simultaneous multiple audio channels from any device to any other device, you need something that either has a digital connection that carries the channels in some encoded way (and boht devices need the same type of connection with the same data format), or you need a separate analog connection and channel for every audio channel you want to flow at the same time, on each device, so there is one out channel on the source device for every channel you want to send to each in channel on the other device.

If you want the source device to output 16 channels, it needs 16 individual (mono) line *outs*, not ins.   You only need that many ins if you are recording that many channels from an external device, simultaneously.   

Note that there are also multiple level standards for different devices; some have +4dBu and some have ‑10dBV, and some are switchable.   Make sure the devices both use the same level or that you set them both the same.   

What specifically do you need it to do?

For some existing free sample libraries (mostly from PianoBook.uk) , I've used DecentSampler.  I have yet to build any libraries in it, so don't know how easy that is yet. main page https://www.decentsamples.com/product/decent-sampler-plugin/  this is the page for making libraries https://www.decentsamples.com/decent-sampler-developer-resources/ 

A very old sampler (wasn't free) that can do a lot of stuff is Vsampler, but it is kind of a PITA to build or alter things in.  I wish the developer was around to do a GUI revamp on it, to make the processes easy instead of convoluted. https://www.kvraudio.com/news/speedsoft_vsampler_3_released_1318   

I mostly use SFZ+ for playback of existing soundfont and similar soundsets, sometimes just to trigger samples. 

 If I only need to trigger a specific single sample or set of them, I may use SessionDrummer3 just dragging and dropping them onto pads or loading htem up in hte menus.   No envelope editing, etc in this one, so what you hear is what you get. 

Rapture and Dimension are actually useable as "samplers", and have good control over the sounds.  I don't know if the various "special" versions of them have all the features but the "pro" (ro wahtever they call them) versions are what I use. 

Haven't used it in a while, but if you have a version of SONAR that includes it, Cyclone was usable. 

I have yet to check out Independence, but had it recommended to me a couple of times https://www.magix.com/us/music-editing/free-download/independence-free-sampler-software/  

There is one called Grace that I've seen references to, but not yet tried. https://www.onesmallclue.com/

is it only wiht MP3 export, or is it also with WAV export?

If only MP3 you should check the settings for whatever encoder you're using, in case it has a normalize or other volume-altering function that is set to lower the volume. 

That's what this *entire subforum* is for, so you can have a thread per song (or album, or whatever) to get feedback on the individual songs.

text under the Songs subforum header:  "Post links to your songs, share and discuss."   

14 hours ago, Shane_B. said:

What gets me is, I'm always very careful. Never have been in to dark areas of the web. I dont understand how they get your login info, especially old info that has been changed God knows how many years ago.

afaicr ms has had several data breaches in the last few years; perhaps your account info was included in that.

dunno if they're required to tell you about data breaches or not; some places are nice and do it to let you know you ougth to change info, though. 

6 hours ago, Imre de Jonge said:

I don't get why grouping clips doesn't group their function buttons as well... you'd think, right?

lets say you group some of the clips on a track in one group and some of them in a different one, because you need to be able to edit them separately.   which of those groups should the track controls respond to?  

if you muted the track to mute one group, the ohter is also muted but you want to hear those....

that's one of many examples why clip grouping "has" to be separate from track control grouping. 

dunno if it's still there but there used to be a process called fit improvisation, if you can just record midi notes at the points you want the beats to be at.  

quote of the help file of my ancient  version if it's useful 

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Editing MIDI Events and Continuous Controllers (CC) / Changing the Timing of a Recording / Fit Improvisation

Fit Improvisation

SONAR lets you record music from a MIDI controller without requiring that you use a fixed tempo. In fact, if you record without using a metronome, you are very likely to end up with a recording that does not fit onto a fixed tempo grid.

The Process > Fit Improvisation command lets you take a recording and create a tempo map (with measure and beat boundaries) that fits what you played. Your performance is not changed in any way, even though the note start times and durations are adjusted to fit the new tempo map. This is important if you later want to use any of SONAR’s editing features that depend on a proper tempo map for best results.

To use this command, you must record a reference track containing a single clip that matches your original track or tracks but has only a single note on each beat boundary. You should make sure that the reference track has one event for every single beat, with no extra beats or missing beats. The first beat of the reference track should be at 1:01:000. You can use any editing command to adjust the reference track.

If you want, you can use other types of events as markers on the reference track, such as a sustain pedal. Remember, however, that MIDI sustain pedals generate one event when the pedal is pressed and another when it is released. So if you want to use the sustain pedal for the reference track, keep this in mind. Click down, up, down, up, for one, two, three, four.

Remember that the better the quality of your reference track, the better job the Fit Improvisation command can do. You want each of your reference track events to be as close as possible to the beat of the music. Note that some keyboards transmit aftertouch events when you record your reference track. These extra events will prevent Process > Fit Improvisation from working properly. Therefore, you should delete these events before using this command, or filter them out when recording the reference track (using Options > Global > MIDI).

To Fit Tempos to an Improvisation

1.

Record the reference track.

2.

Select the reference track.

3.

If necessary, combine all clips in the reference track into a single clip using the Edit > Bounce to Clip(s) command.

4.

Choose Process > Fit Improvisation.

SONAR adds tempo changes as necessary to fit the tempo grid to the reference track. When you’re done, you should mute the reference track, since the reference track events are not rescaled.

 

Note: If the resulting tempo grid exceeds 250 beats per minute, you will see an error message. If this happens, you can shorten the start times of each event using the Process > Length command, decrease the tempo to compensate for the change, and then try again.

You can also use the Set/Measure Beat At Now command to align a freely played MIDI performance with the Time Ruler.

To sync the project tempo to freely played MIDI

If you have recorded a MIDI track without a metronome, you may want to align the project’s tempo map with the MIDI performance. The Set/Measure Beat At Now command allows you to create new bar lines to fit your project. This command does not stretch audio. It works by adjusting tempo so that measure lines line up with audio transients or MIDI data. The tempo will ramp up/down from the previous tempo change in order to arrive at the required tempo.

To use the Set Measure/Beat At Now command, you need to be able to identify where you want to put the downbeats of each measure, and possibly where you want to place some other beats of the measure, if the tempo varies a lot.

1.

Display the MIDI clip that you want the measure/beats to align with in the Inline Piano Roll view: click the MIDI track’s PRV Mode button . Zoom in enough to see the MIDI data clearly (you can also use the regular Piano Roll view).

 

Tip: To make it easier to visually align note events with the Time Ruler, drag the MIDI track to the top position so it appears right below the Time Ruler.

2.

If you want other MIDI clips that exist in the project to retain their current M:B:T positions, select the clips, right-click one of them, and choose Clip Lock > Lock Position from the pop-up menu.

3.

Turn off the Snap to Grid button, and use the PRV Select tool (it’s in the Track view toolbar) to click the MIDI clip at the place where you want to set a measure or beat. The Now Time cursor moves to the place you clicked:

A. Now Time cursor

4.

Press CTRL+M to open the Measure Beat/Meter dialog.

5.

Enter the desired measure and beat values, and click OK.

 

Note: SONAR attempts to guess the correct measure/beat, so you usually can just click OK to accept the default values.

6.

Move the Now Time to the next desired beat (click the start of the next note)..

 

Tip: Press TAB to jump to the next note, or SHIFT+TAB to jump to the previous note.

7.

Press CTRL+M to open the Measure Beat/Meter dialog, enter the desired values, and click OK

8.

Repeat steps 6 and 7 until the Time Ruler is correctly aligned.

After you align the Time Ruler to your clip, you can smooth out the tempo changes in the Tempo view, and your clip will retain its M:B:T position.

If you want the solo for 10 tracks to respond together, you have to group the solo buttons themselves. 

AFAIK grouped clips only respond to edits together (and only certain kinds of edits).   Track strip functions are still just track strip functions, not clip functions, so they shouldn't be affected by clip grouping. 

Here's a recent thread about CG:

https://discuss.cakewalk.com/topic/83292-linking-tracks-so-edits-on-one-are-applied-to-the-other/ 

2 hours ago, Shane_B. said:

One of these days I'm going to get a real piano. There is always a lot of them for free online.

I found one a few years ago on Freecycle, and hauled it home; had to rebuild my trailer with duallies to be sure it would handle the weight.   Was not a lot of fun to get it onto (and off of) the trailer, and into the house, but was fun learning to tune it and then be able to play a real one (vs the keyboards i have always had instead).   

I keep thinking I should install some mics in it to see if I can use JamOrigin's MIDI Guitar to convert it's output to MIDI (since I can't replay anything I am playing; I am 195% "improvisation".  because my brain doesn't work right. 

2 hours ago, Shane_B. said:

I recently saw one for free that was sad. It was in a 200 plus year old mansion. They had turned the mansion in to a museum and they were closing their doors. The ad read something to the effect of they were sadly closing and nobody would take the piano and it was going to the dump by the end of the week. It was a large piano so I can understand why nobody could take it.

I would've loved a regular (non-upright) piano, but it'd have had to be disassembled to get it in the house. :lol:   

Funny, I just "upgraded" my ancient Ensoniq ASR88 by replacing the floppy drive with a GOTEK HXR2001 floppy emulator (uses a usb stick instead)

https://hxc2001.com/floppy_drive_emulator/

so I can use it as my primary input keyboard again (having to either keep a working floppy disk in the drive, or powering up the ancient scsi hdd and hoping it still spins up, and waiting and waiting and waiting for it to spin up and load the OS, etc....kinda deterred me from using it much the last few years).  

I can still use the sounds and effects it has by powering up that scsi hdd, but almost always I'm using hte softsynths inside SONAR, so.... just nice to have the 88keys all at once instead of the couple of octaves of the rockband keytar thing I often use, or the poorer-mechanics MK-49 generic midi keyboard.... 

The TG33, FB01, Emu6400, etc, haven't even been turned on in a long while....   

Or is the issue not that it doesn't show up as a send, but that it just doesn't do the chopping? 

If the latter, I'd guess that whatever settings the sc input has for those not working as desired are not set (or don't allow) to a complete modulation of the gate, full on / off, or the attack is too fast or slow, or the release is too long or short (depending on what exactly isn't happening)

The other gates have to have a sidechain input.  If htey don't, you can't send another input to them (just wha'ts on the track or bus they're already on).  

not all gates have sidechain inputs.

If the ones you are using have a sidechain input, but it doesn't show up in the send list, maybe it has to be enabled in the plugin first?  Google's "AI" summary thingy (which we know is never wrong :lol: ) says:

How to use the sidechain
Select the Advanced panel by clicking the arrow on the right side of the band HUD 
Use the Sidechain controls to choose an internal or external input signal 
Select the type of sidechain input signal from the dropdown menu 
Set the sidechain source in Neutron 

Does that help? (or is it bogus?)

Of all the stuff I've got installed, I know the sonitus compressor and gate have sc inputs that show up as sends.    VC-64 does, as well. 

2 hours ago, Pathfinder said:

I so wanted the SSL 12 but refuse to not have an AC Power options.

forgot to add this:  a powered usb hub gives you the ac power option, or you can make or buy a y-cable USB taht sends the data and ground lines off to the computer but the power and ground to a usb wallwart capable of however much current you expect the device to need. (which you could base on the power supplied by the wallwart for the similar version that does have one).  

1 hour ago, Pathfinder said:

Power limitations:

The USB standard provides a relatively small amount of power, which may not be enough to adequately power the audio interface's components, especially when using high-quality mic preamps or multiple channels simultaneously. 

(just some thoughts)

That depends on which version of USB and what the host supports.  

Newer versions USB3 can provide up to 30v and at least 100W, though those are normally only for charging ports.   But even for regular USB3.0 you can get up to 900mA (not quite double the 500mA of the original USB spec).   

Modern electronics doesn't take very much power to do a lot of stuff; depends on what's in there.  (less lights would be better for lower power usage; certain red leds are the lowest requirement).   As long as the device is designed correctly to work within the available power from a port, the port should be able to supply it. 

As long as the host device is correctly designed, and it's the only device powered by that port (no unpowered hub used to split the port to several usb-powered devices), power shouldn't be an issue.  (noise, etc, not covered by this, but the *power* should be clean if it's properly designed). 

If your interface can handle being on a hub, then using one with it's own correctly-deisgned power source would correclty supply the device with enough power to run.

That's all "theoretical" and "if properly designed" stuff--there's plenty of junk out there that isn't.... unfortunately that applies to things with wallwart power, too--I can't count the number of shitty wallwarts I swapped out on things to fix all sorts of annoying little problems .    

Phantom power; I could imagine that being an issue if the mics being used require a lot of current, but they shouldn't take too much.  I'd venture a guess at a dozen mA for a high average; I'm sure there are some that take more, but I don't know mics very well.   At 48v 10mA, that's  48 x 0.01 = 0.48watts.  For a regular old 5V USB port at 500mA, it has 2.5watts available, so that leaves about 2watts to run the rest of the interface.   So...depends on the whole interface design and the specific mic needs.   

Can't say anything experiential about powermanagement interference when running on batteries; I don't use my system that way (the battery is basically just a built-in UPS to me  ).  But remember that the port can't actually limit available power except by turning it off *completely*--it can't just turn down the amps available, because to do that it would have to turn the *voltage* down or PWM it; that's just how those things work. 

So if the system has powermanagement features that disable USB ports when on battery, turn those off and it won't be an issue.  If it doesn't let you turn them off...well, what else would you be powering the interface with, if you ahve to run the laptop/host on battery power, you don't have a plug to provide separate power for the interface either, right?

FWIW, I use an ancient Avid USB Duo (pro?) that's exclusively USB powered, and in all the years I've used it (and the M-audio version I used before that until a "friend" borrowed and lost it) Iv'e never had problems with it (taht couldn't be tracked down to driver issues, and few of those).   It's always plugged into it's own port directly on the computer (I don't recall my results using it with a powered hub).  It doesn't have any issue powering the generic mics I have (don't even remember if they have names on them :lol: ) but I don't do much mic recording; it's almost all cabled from the electric guitar or bass, or the pickup bar for the acoustic, or the "remote" from a lavalier mic (taht I sometimes use to record the various dogs' wierd noises for various fx use by clipping the mic to their collar, harness, etc).  

I did have problems with one backlit USB keyboard, a long time ago, which could not be set to it's max brightness or it would trigger the USB port power protection.    I had to use it on a powered USB hub to turn it up all the way, and the hub and it's power adapter always ran pretty toastily warm even though it was the only device on the hub.    

Sorry for the interruption.

Oh, almost forgot what I came to the thread to post:

It's been so many years since I backed up any of the hardware via sysex; i think I last did this with the TG33 but don't even remember any of the process. :oops:  

So, here's what I have in my bookmarks for sysex utils, at least those that still go to working websites:

I haven't ever tested this one

https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9pfd4ddwgktn?hl=en-US&gl=US

MIDI SysEx Transfer Utility 10rem.net - Pete Brown 4.6 406 ratings

I'm sure I've used this one

http://www.midiox.com/

Dont't recall if I used this one

https://www.bome.com/products/sendsx

Dumpster

https://www.patchmanmusic.com/SysexUtilities.html

and VSThost can send midi sysex files, but I can't remmeber if ti can record them:

https://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htm