I don't need bandlab assistant, I thought it was necessary to get the updates to Cakewalk. I don't use loops. Good distinction, I've been calling it sonar but I'll start saying Cake Walk. And yes after being away from it for quite some time, I'm becoming aware they really are making an effort to make this a good DAW. So I'm doing a crash course in refreshing myself and also learning all of the changes since the producer version of sonar I'mmore familiar with. Thanks for your input.