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I liked the guitars which I think gave this a more aggressive feeling. I think it was indeed "mysterious". This would make a nice track for a movie scene in my opinion. 

I listened through a correction system. In that context the mix was very even keel. Even the guitars didn't jump out and bite me which is why I think it works well as a backgrounder. 

Thanks for sharing !

UPDATE- I believe I know what was causing the occasional issues in ST4.  If I loaded an instance of ST4 and changed my mind before the samples loaded clicking on something else I would get the issue. It was mainly just me not being patient enough to wait for the sounds to finish loading I think. Similar maybe to driving along at 60mph and all of a sudden deciding to put the car in reverse.  I have not had the issue again. Hopefully it will stay that way.

I run ST4 in both Cakewalk and Studio One 4 pro.  In studio One ST4 is "blacklisted" . Not sure what that means. I was still able to load and use it in projects.

Thanks for this review Simeon.  The pianos in ST 4 are some of my favorites, in some cases by a wide margin. I find many of them to be very mix friendly.  The first time I loaded the C-7  set  I realized that I would have bought ST MAX just for the keys! Not to discount the rest of the sounds which are often very useful in mixes .

Just didn't want @Christian Jones to think the dongle he needs for his Vienna sax will work with Phoenix ( or any other iLok product) Unless I misunderstand, he needs a different dongle for that for that sax which won't work for this.

I  recently bought the 2CAudio stuff- Precedence and Breeze. Breeze is one of the smoothest reverbs ever.  I use the Valhalla stuff a lot  for basic stuff....so I felt a little guilty for buying this, but that feeling went away fast. Thanks cclarry. Can't beat this one! Well maybe YOU can.

On 3/7/2020 at 12:09 PM, Christian Jones said:

Can't someone just get one of those little usb port extension things or whatever they're called that plug into a USB port and dangle there and provide a few more USB ports on it? The thing with that though is that everything that plugs in to those extension ports all ultimately share a single port and perhaps that can be problematic for some devices, but not everything I don't think. Like I currently have one of those little USB extensions that has about four extra USB ports dangling off of it and that's how I plug in my keyboard and mouse and occasionally my phone and camera, so those types of devices would probably be fine sharing a single USB port and you could conserve ports that way, as a dongle (and a real finicky midi device like the Korg Nanos) should probably be given its own dedicated USB port. 

Anyway @Matthew Sorrels makes a good point that I hate to have to think about lol but in my case anyway I'm being forced to buy a dongle to use this Vienna Baritone Saxophone library I'm picking up, so I'll have a dongle to back up all my other stuff. They cost like $30 too

Just double checking here. Is the Vienna dongle the same one? There are two. Syncrosoft used for Cubase and VSL products. iLok for most everything else.

Thanks for the review! This is a piano I probably would never have considered. Love it!

Here in the US corporations have been monopolizing all business. Larger corporations building next to smaller independent operations and putting them out of business by lowering prices. This trend even follows to farming. The result is very predictable. They move in, put the small guy out of business and then raise prices. This follows the mindset that all operations will eventually be funneled through only a few corporate interests. Those interests can then be controlled by an even smaller group. When something like the big C goes down, they can pretty much call the shots in league with the governments to decide what happens. Closing businesses down for extended periods of time only helps to put the small guy out even more. We are all moving closer and closer to the old Soviet Russia model.. The government wants to be your "sugar daddy".  After this is all over, mark my words. We will have a "new normal".

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From my reading of the entire thread, there seems to be an abundance of opinions, however it is clear to me that my contribution is overly verbose. There is a reason for that. I am currently on a number of other discussion threads battling to take control of a political party and we are discussing issues related to party direction, some of them are cross matching with this discussion which is confusing me.

I think I might have done similar here because when these threads start to get so long I loose track. Subjects tend to get mixed sometimes. Admittedly I also started to veer toward "Ad Hominum" because of some other things you have said in other threads.

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When some others think about free will they think about a well functioning human making good or bad decisions and taking responsibility for those. When I think about free will at the moment, I think of a quadriplegic on a bed or a Schizophrenic having an episode. I don't like the term "free will" because I would never use that term with clients and the use of that term to me signals a lack of empathy for those in difficult circumstances not under their control. Almost dismissive of those in difficult circumstances.

You are really preaching to the choir here. I just very recently had to make the tough decision to have my dad unhooked from life support. He was on pure oxygen because his lungs didn't have the capacity to keep him alive. Long story short we left him hooked up for a long time. The outlook was pretty bad. He would have been hooked up for life with a hole in his throat and an air tube in it. He had to be drugged to keep from pulling the tube out. The drugs had him "under" most of the time.

He wasn't really living and he couldn't live unless he had the tubes and machines.  We knew what HE wanted to be unhooked because he had the free will to make that choice and we complied with what we knew he would have wanted. If you don't want to call it free will, then simply see it as will.  We all have it and it can be further reaching than you might think. Not necessarily tied directly to physical function. Most people don't want to die, so that process is against pretty much anyone's "will".My whole argument has been that everyone has a will and as such it is a "free" will. None of the people you work with want to be where they are. None of us are wizards capable of waving a wand and changing our circumstances immediately. The will is only the engine that drives the machine.

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My questions about origins related to trying to determine if someone was religious or not. If they are religious then the term "free will" can be commensurate with that so that puts it in a different perspective. Where a person lives, their culture, impacts not just on their ability to exercise free will but also on what they would regard as good or bad decision making. This would be influenced by their faith and culture etc One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

This is where we will part ways big time. This is a larger subject than we could include in this thread. In a nutshell the purely naturalistic view is built on ideas that change almost daily. For one thing you have an  establishment scientific community that have, over the years, entrenched ideas that need to be redirected. Any scientist who falls outside of that establishment mindset is probably losing his of her job. There's a lot of pressure in the scientific community to follow that "dogma". The main  problem is that some of these "theories" have been taught as fact for so long that to admit the science has changed would look very unprofessional and frankly make a few eat their inaccurate studies. They won't do that, so they keep rolling out the same BS year after year because they like it and it fits well with their exclusion of the big G in anything they do. Science is science, doesn't matter about where you live or your culture upbringing or anything else. Does theology lead to science or science lead to theology?  If one study leads into another study, what is the harm in that? The scientific community is entrenched in "in the box" isolationist thinking. We all HAD to come from a little microbe with NO intervention. Even though they can't prove any of it. If you bought into that thinking , then yes, I put you in that group.

And this is probably at least part of the debate. You will come to the end of YOU. We all will. If you haven't yet I'll be very surprised. Partial explanations only pacify temporarily. If you think you were designed ( you probably don't), but let's just say "if" you believed this, then it makes perfect sense to seek out the designer when you come to the end of you. It makes even more sense to seek a designer BEFORE you come to the end of you. If you had a designer you might be able to communicate with said designer. Don't most network computer programmers make machines that can talk to one another? How does free will play into this?  Because when you come to the end of you, you still have a choice. That communication can make a huge difference.

13 hours ago, Tezza said:

Nothing I say makes sense? how about an example, I'll see if I can make it make sense for you. Please do not comment on my life experience, you know nothing about me. Why do you think I know everything? I have never made that claim. A few personal jabs but nothing to contribute to the conversation. Established norms are dependent upon the society you live in, Americans believe in Christianity and Capitalism, the Chinese believe in Confucius and Communism. Very different yet both would interpret living in their societies as normal. I live in Australia, similar to America but less emphasis on religion and more socialist in it's welfare, healthcare and industrial relations policies. Suits me fine. You seem to like the norms in your society but I bet there would also be many who don't, and many who are trying to change it for the better, not just for themselves but for others as well. Nothing wrong with that at all.

I don't think your examples were really persuasive enough and like a few others here, can't understand why you sidetracked it with origins and such.  You make these all inclusive statements and make it seem that everything is either one way or the other when there are often alternate ways of seeing the same things.Your statement that I haven't contributed anything to the conversation is dismissive at best. You don't get to decide what is or is not important to this conversation. For you yes, for the rest, that's up to them not you. I have valid points if you really read what I said.

Please explain how the country a person lives in and the system in it has anything to do with the topic of this thread? Free will. Thanks.

No problems there yet. I have more issues occasionally in seeing Kontakt.

Well maybe we will get to hear some new  great stuff coming from the Notes...........I don't own BiaB . Looks like a great program to make backing tracks in.

So the story about the virus jumping from a snake to humans wasn't true? ?

Lincoln didn't make statements on the internet? ?

I would laugh but I suspected as much and I guess it isn't really funny.

Thanks Larry. The Twin L just jumped into my cart.

I guess I should be thankful I have a job. The place I work is talking about going to a skeleton crew. Next week they will lock down large parts of the areas and put the buildings into a sleep mode. 

 Almost all of my job is easily done remotely from computer, but I was deemed "essential" so I continue to commute when I could have done my job from home and only gone to the site when needed which isn't very often. I haven't pushed the issue here. It's a union shop and my classification puts me in a  group of people who DO need to be on site at least occasionally. It's just complicated. I wish they would just let me work from home. As they say, "be careful what you wish for". I like getting a paycheck too.

I had hoped it wouldn't go this way.

I attempted to rationalize some of what you said Tezza and it just doesn't compute in the real world. This isn't "us" against you. It's just that almost nothing you say makes any sense. I always find it amazing how someone who likely has far less life experience seems to know just about everything. Almost reminds me of the types of people who go off, adopt followers and start cults. It seems you are against pretty much all established norms and point to many of them as the reasons for our societal problems.  No human system is free of problems but they work good enough to have this thing we call a society.

I would love to see your alternative lifestyle that excludes anything that has maybe worked for the last several hundred years. 

I dunno, what does that look like? You could go to the jungle and live with your relatives. Make your own clothing etc.

Thanks to those who answered the questions I asked.

I know this likely won't be a popular view because it seems to exclude certain groups of people. In reality though I think it might expedite the process and wouldn't change much for those groups either way.

Why not let the natural process of immunity contain the younger people. Eventually most would be immune by natural process. The remainder could be quarantined. Those above a certain age and those who had prior breathing issues would be the pinpointed group for care. Let everyone else catch it and get over it naturally.

I guess this is what I don't understand. It can be caught. You can get over it and then you have an immunity to it. Apparently there must be many more who have breathing issues than I would have guessed.  "If" I caught it I would just go home and get better. Same as any other virus or flu.

I still think something else is going on.

Byron, Tensions are probably higher than usual. This is a nice place to discuss music and stuff. Please let me buy you a beer.

OK I guess I can't do that. 

As I see it there's three ways to react to this. Over reaction (which seems to be the way people are responding to it). Under reaction, where I pretend it isn't happening and live life as usual. I could almost do that because as of now I'm still working. Going out every day. The third is seeing it for what it is or might be.

I'm still dealing with that third one.

1 minute ago, Byron Dickens said:

Jesus H. Christ! Get a grip! 81% who get it have only mild symptoms.  5% of cases become critical.  Mortality rate for those under 20 is. 0001% .  Most people who get it are cured.

 

SARS and the swine flu were both way worse.

Should people take precautions? Of course.  But there's no reason to hoard toilet paper and ammo like it is the zombie apocalypse coming.

 

You are absolutely right. The economic damage is surreal. Get a grip, people!

I'm not really worried about it. Maybe I should be. I think there's more to this than meets the eye. I don't know exactly what that means.I hope I'm wrong. I really do. I'm not even worried if I get it because I think I would live through it. 

Lots of other people are worried. Reminds me of winter here, when they call for snow everyone goes out and buys bread and milk. 

 If the mortality rate is very good and if it's similar to the flu only maybe more intense, then why are all the medical system overloaded?  I have heard that it's because people need respirators. I have also heard that plenty of people who have it are sent home. There basically is no treatment. It just runs it's course.

In light of that, then the only reasons I can see for the need to go to a hospital are A. You had prior breathing issues. B. For isolation reasons. 

Point B could be handled just as well by sending people home to stay away from  others. What am I missing here? Or did I miss everything? lol.

 I will only become concerned if this goes on a long time and suddenly they begin to bring in transportation to take away the worst infected to "containment facilities" They  might not be called that but you get the jist.

I mean, they know where you are...mostly at home.It won't create as big of a ruckus. Like in 1940's Germany. " It's only a shower".

Sorry, that's just my mind thinking scary things that likely won't happen.

Bruce are you running  version 4.10 ?

I think I remember a comment awhile back concerning the graphics in answer to your point 3. That might be a possibility that the GUI is seizing up somehow retrieving the graphics.Just a guess on my part. In my case I was playing midi sending to the C-7 binaural which is also a fairly large sample set. You are inferring that this might also be sample related. I haven't checked ST4 to see if there are buffer adjustments. This could help. I have 16gb of memory and was only running one sound at the time.

I see your points here Tezza and can see that why you view things in this way since you work in a field that exposes you to these kinds of situations.

I guess I made a false assumption that we were talking about  mentally competent adults since bringing in the mentally handicapped,  though no fault of their own or because of their own action has caused them to be mentally unstable and incapable of making rational decisions. This, of course, opens up a whole different can of worms and I think I can correctly say that they would be a minority of the population, yet still a consideration.

Substance addiction is probably one of the most serious issues because the addiction is so strong that you need help to get past it. I compare it to the horror movies where someone is changing into a werewolf and they beg to be locked up until it passes. In my opinion they still have free will but it has been compromised by the drugs. Same as excess sugar weakens your immune system, addiction weakens your ability to make the right decisions. I have never met an addict that wanted to be addicted. They want to quit . In this case their free will can't break through their physical dependency on the drug. The part of them that WANTS to quit is their will. The part of them that keeps taking the drugs is probably physical. Yes, there are those who WANT to take the drugs too. 

This view would argue what part of "you" is really you. I would counter that it's the inner part that decides but can be overridden by external circumstances. If I was an addict I would make the choice to get help. That's free will. Their other choice is to keep doing the drugs and live a very short life. That is also a choice.

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I don't agree with your concept of poverty, in my experience, usually there are reasons for poverty that go beyond blaming the individual for making bad choices. 

To be clear, I only blame the individual who is in poverty, could make a plan to get out, and doesn't. No one can be responsible for being born into poverty.People can be responsible for not attempting to get out of it if they can. I don't think there is any such thing as a person who could never make their circumstances better. I'm not saying they could be rich, just better...look at the generations of people who came to the US in the 1930's. That was a free will choice....to get out of their bad situations. The grass is sometimes greener on the other side of the fence. Those first generations that came here worked their a**es off. Lived in pretty bad conditions. By the second generation they had built businesses here and were prospering. Their grandchildren will be wealthy.

If a person is born in Somalia, South Africa one of the poorest and most violent places on earth they have far fewer choices. That's a given. They still have choices though.  If we were fish, our free will could only function within the confines of our tanks. I'm not going to lie, if I were in Somalia I would be looking to jump to another tank at any cost. Others might have found a way to coexist within that oppressive ecosystem. I think we have to define poverty since there are people here who claim to be poor but have 200.00 shoes on and 100 dollar tattoos who eat three square meals every day. They are classified as "poor" because they live in a section of town that's typically low income. To me "poor" is someone who doesn't have food , clothing or shelter.

Thanks T, I will look at this as a potential issue.

I seen that PSP have had sales for Xenon. I guess it wasn't to be this time

I guess I'm the only one this happened to . Better start checking my system/setup again. The odd thing is it doesn't happen all the time.

On 3/12/2020 at 9:13 PM, Mesh said:

This ^^^ was the problem. Got a new HDMI 2.0 cable,  plugged it in,  and we have contact.....yaaaay!!

Thanks Pwal and everyone that chimed in, now I can go back to making music.

 

Glad you got it working. Had a similar issue with a hard drive install the other day. The SATA cable was bad. The other thing was the computer needed a reboot for the MOBO to see the new populated SATA port.