John Vere

Most ASIO drivers for interfaces are set at 24. You cannot change this so it is as you are seeing. There are very few interfaces that have 32 as an option and then there are a few budget interfaces that are only 16. So majority are 24. Cakewalk renders at 32 by default so if I export a stem I use 32. But all new audio is recorded at 24.

And in my video. In which I don’t recommend using input echo for audio due to latency. All audio interfaces now have direct monitoring which allows you to blend the playback with the input so there is no latency involved at all. Input echo is for midi .

how to copy paste audio. Jump to 4 min https://youtu.be/MNifJq9U3lM?si=yayV7McWdDp8FmIz

This is why I’m saying that for most long time users who own Sonar from 2017 we might get away with purchasing a lower version of the new Sonar if all that is missing is the goodies we already own. That actually seems fair seeing as how many of the Lifetime Members are still feeling a bit grumpy about being hoodwinked. Which also brings up a reminder to all of those people to back up everything in your legacy Cakewalk account. Don’t come around complaining if Bandlab one day decides the old server is not really important to their business. All the goodies have installers and serial numbers back it up! I haven’t had to use the web site for years now because I did this in 2017.

Please people if you have issues start a new thread this one has gotten way to long already and hijacker’s make it worse. And I also see people are not getting the correct information Here is what I understand. 1-The latest release is not the final version. It is an early access only. It is very doubtful that it introduces new bugs. It is actually the opposite it has been further de - bugged. 2- The final release is not available yet and when it is-- we have clearly been told ALL users will need to update to that version as all other older versions will go into demo mode. Only the last release will activate and be useable until the time out. 3- The final version of CbB will time out eventually. We are told they will be giving CbB users time to transition. That is all. But! it will happen. 4. We are also told Sonar will come in different versions and price points including free. (It is only my speculation that it will look a lot like it did in 2015. )

Recording audio levels are set by your audio interface not Cakewalk. Cakewalk’s controls could be turned right off and you would still have the same signal coming in. Turning down a bus will only change already recorded material.

Bingo! And not only that, we now seem to have at least 40 Distribution companies that are the modern day version of a Record Label. They will get all of this on Spotify and Apple Music for you for free or a small fee. And there's a lot of them that claim " Anyone can be a Member" But there are some, thank goodness, that will review your submissions first. So we have almost totally lost the quality control watch dogs of the past. I'm in the process of researching which of these Distribution companies to use. And I almost feel like a weirdo because I actually have recorded what I feel is real normal pop music. Even Sound Click now is totally focused on "beats" You watch any video that was made to show you how to do this and the presenter is talking about Hip Hop etc. I think we have become dinosaurs Larry! Yet at an event I just did live sound for we had a bunch of local bands and singer songwriter acts who were all real musicians and played very well. They also had this DJ dude who did what all modern DJ's do, the exact same thing. Somebody elses stuff and add a few effects. It is so shallow and pointless yet it is now what sells. Of course everybody walked away during his set because people aren't stupid about what is music and what is just somebody pushing buttons. The only good news is that Cakewalk /Sonar are still functioning properly for the few real musicians left on this planet to make music with. Next will be built for the new world of beat makers and button pusher.

Thank you! I was hoping my comment would bear fruit.

Just to set this right, This is the old Cakewalk site this page is called Versions and includes Pricing from those days as well as a comprehensive list of what you get in each version. https://taylor.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Versions#start I still have Sonar Professional which is a totally different installer and serial numbers than my copy of Sonar Platinum. At the time there was no way I was going to pay $300 more for features that didn't interest me. But they must have offered a deal to upgrade and I took the bait. If I remember it was only $150. And I even got Professional at a discount as an upgrade from X3. My account shows Sonar Pro Jan 2015 then Splat June 2015. I am thinking we will be returning to something very similar in marketing and pricing. As I said in another thread it would seem that those of us who already own all the extra goodies might not need to pay for the full version. But somehow I think they got that one figured out too. New goodies!! Ya!

Good point, Yes folks please don't look at that and think this is real. Just an example of what is possible if we do have versions. It also gives you examples of how adding more goodies is really what you are paying the extra for.

I know as much as anybody else. The problem is information is scattered amongst a dozen threads. But Yes one of the developers mentioned that there will be different version. And why not? My educated purely speculative guess is we are about to return to how things were with Sonar Platinum series. My video explains some of this. https://youtu.be/dJBT3cs8ILw But since I made the video I have learned a few new little tidbits. Totally not official but mentioned by staff: Free starter version, ( possibly like Pro Tools Intro? ) Projects from Cakewalk will be transferable to Next. At this point it is not clear if this will be direct. As in a CWP will open in Next or that if the project needs to be uploaded to Bandlab and then brought back to Next. What this implies is absolutely nobody needs to change DAW's based on financial situations. This is the Old Sonar Pricing anyone want to speculate on how close this will be to the new one! If you go to that page https://taylor.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Versions#start and scroll down you will also see how all the features and add-ons were only found in Splat. Someone straitened me out when I said we had been using a $500 DAW but they were correct and it has actually been Sonar Professional because of the missing add-ons. So CbB is only a $200 DAW. But here's the catch. Nobody else has mentioned this so not sure if it crossed your mind. All of use long time users that owned Splat got the goodies already. We paid for them back then. So unless they sweeten the pot with something we don't have, we might only have to purchase Sonar Artist or Professional. Of course only using old names as an example.

Have you not been following what is said? There will be versions at different levels and price points just like with Sonar Platinum series. Including a Free version. There is absolutely zero reasons for ANYONE to be at all upset about what is going to happen.

True but for that I just use the D key and quickly toggle between the Multi dock and Track views. I work a lot in single screen mode because I'm using my second monitor for all sorts of other things like a document open, screen capture. I'm hoping for a 3rd monitor with my new set up. Or I'll buy 2 of those huge wide ones. It will be a different world when we get Sonar and it's new GUI.

I decided to produce a video on this topic hoping it might reach more people who need to know what is happening. For the first time in over a year I posted it to Facebook, I'm curious to what they are saying as at this point they are obviously not in the loop like we are. UPDATE Sept 15- I pulled the video due to the comments getting out of hand. My mistake for posting to Facebook. Two of the Cakewalk user group pages removed it right away because I think the Admin disagreed. Show's you why Facebook is a dumb place to actually get information from because it will be biased. . Seems a few people felt my claim that Cakewalk was due to be discontinued was "False information" That's odd because if it was, the Staff, who have seen this thread, would have most certainly questioned it's title. The misinformation is all over the place with the worst one being many are saying CbB will be unlocked and you can use it forever. Sorry folks. seems this is not going to happen. Why would they do that, they are a business not a charity.

I'm glad you said this because it's exactly how I feel. I realize there are many people on this planet who don't have a dime, and free stuff is cool so you can mess around and make your beats and learn what it's like to use fully featured software. But as a musician, making and recording music has always cost me money. The first dollar I earned as a kid with a paper route went towards my first guitar. And on and on. And even these days I'm retired so there's not much spare money for gear and software but moneys not hard to find if you know where to look for it. So I have very little sympathy for the non musicians who think making music should be a free ride. It is so amazingly cheap to build a home studio now thanks to the software. And you can defiantly use this software to earn money. So that is what I do. I use Cakewalk to make backing tracks and I go make money to pay for it. There's even a small possibility my original songs I record with Cakewalk will bare fruit someday with a small royalty check. Simple really. There are a lot of options open to the folks who won't be able to afford even $10 for software. I was just researching to make a video about the end of Cakewalk and found this thread, I also noticed a whole bunch of videos with titles like " Best 10 free DAW's" . You've got lots of time to finish all your Cakewalk projects before you are locked out. Or simply support the company and purchase Sonar.

Thanks I didn't know that. I guess I was thinking bounce to tracks.. Ill give it a try next time.

Because I want to plunk the track back in the original location as it will be already set up correctly. This also results in clearing away all the unnecessary info that Cakewalk would need to read the original fragmented track. Nothing like shiny new audio tracks that start and end this alone is CPU friendly stuff. I think exporting at 48/32 no dithering will do no harm to the audio. Certainly a lot less damage than a tape bounce!

Ya @Craig Anderton I seem to remember a few other company's including Studio one offered us a generous discount to switch over. I also remember the kindness of companies like Overloud would gave us Unlock keys to their plug ins.

As I said in my update I'm bumping this old thread and then I liked a bunch of you so you can read what you were thinking 2 years ago.

Yes Melodyne is one of those tools I avoided for years and would just re sing out of pitch parts instead. Then they baited me with an upgrade so now I spent $100 I dang well better figure it out and start using it. That was 4 years ago and I'm still on the steep part of the hill. And I also upgraded all the way to Editor so I can now clean up guitar tracks too. I quickly learned not to overdue it. My pitch is actually always very close on a good day. So sometime all I do is use that note centering slider and clean up any artifacts. I always work with very short clips. I cut my vocal tracks into what is a line from the lyrics. It's when I record my own harmony parts I dig in and abuse Melodyne. I found I like the sound if I pull all the pitch lines almost flat as well as fix timing and the levels. I will play the harmony part on a synth and get that sounding the way I want it then I kill most of the mix and sing along with that. Sometimes this sounds good sometimes not. But I've developed a pretty quick workflow were I can fly through a whole song in a few hours. I assigned the Z key to open Melodyne editor and the X key renders it. Boy did that speed things up.

Bandlab bought Cakewalk because they saw a opportunity as a business. A music business. It came with a small dedicated user base that was at the time PO’d. Many had already jumped ship and purchased other DAWS. Seems Studio one was were most of those people went. So think about what they had bought and where it stood in the DAW community. Not very good at all. Generally it had a reputation as a buggy DAW that couldn’t be trusted for pro studios. I think the plan they developed was brilliant from a marketing and business standpoint. Definitely thinking out side the box. How to both overcome the bad rep and build up a larger user base. Simple. Make it free and hire the dedicated staff and set them loose to make it as bulletproof as possible. They most certainly met or exceeded those goals. And they even won back a lot of people who jumped ship. How many threads have I seen started with- “ I tried Studio one but I prefer Cakewalk’s workflow “. Ok on to phase II. We should all be proud to have been part of this process that will result in most of us getting what we wanted. A solid DAW that can now stand head to head with the rest and will be a lot more popular in the DAW community. Good work Bandlab and Cakewalk team. You deserve a pat on the back.

Download the You lean loudness meter and put it after a peak limiter like the Loud Max on you master bus . I set the loud max at -1.0 db. Then the You lean meter will tell me my LUFS. I aim for -14 LUFS. Lots of info about loudness on the web. If your song is peaking over -1.0 db and only -16 LUFS then you need to mute busses until you find what it is that is causing the higher peaks. It could be a snare or a boomy bass. Also install Span and see what you frequencies look like. This might tell you where your monitors are lying to you

@David Baay This is totally true the track inspector screwed me up many times just like you are saying , so I stopped using it a long time ago. I have Console view on second monitor and that’s where I open the pro channel and add stuff. @Bass Guitar Glad you pointed that out because that exactly what I do. Remove all those unwanted modules and I actually only have the EQ in the saved default. And it is turned off. I’ve never had a module turn it self on that’s actually impossible. The switchboard would have been lit up like Christmas tree 10 years ago.

If I can cheat—/- I cheat. Midi most certainly taught me that. Now I’m figuring out how to do the same with audio. But in the end I do the cheating and hate the result so pick up my guitar and a shot of whiskey and then nail it in the first take because that 6 hours of editing to get what I was after is now deeply embedded in my brain. I have no qualms about deleting 6 hours of work if I don’t like it. That’s how you achieve stardom like me. Well, at least my dog seems to like my music.

Well I used to get about the same for a weekend in a 4 piece band in pubs back then. Then I went solo and more or less got what the whole band got. Bars didn’t seem to care how many people as long as you made noise that sold more beer. Only thing that has changed is instead of 4 sets I only play 2. But same money. I’ve made enough money this summer to build a new PC. Windows 11 here I come! It will be very cool to go right to Sonar 2023 on that shiny new machine.