John Vere

But I think it might be inconsistent. I'm sure they'll fix it. There's seems to be a few threads reporting issues already. Lets draw out some staff and see what they say. @Jesse Jost @Noel Borthwick

This was interesting as well. I changed buffer size which in past experiences has never had any bearing on loopback results at all. But as you know it does change the reported RTL in SYnc and Cashing settings. I got different results and different settings. At 64 ms buffer it was late only 500 samples now. But at 560 ms buffer it was late by over 1,000 samples. So it would seem the calculation is totally broken. top track is frozen drums, / 2nd track build 98/ 3rd track 256 buffer / 4th track 64 buffer/ 5th track 560 buffer

@DeeringAmps and @Base 57 So I ran the loopback test using my Scarlett 6i6 ASIO mode with version 2021.01 build 98 and as expected it was right on as seen in track 3. Up updated to 2021. 04 build 144 and now it is late by what appears to be 800 samples. see track 4 So defiantly don't update to the new release folks until they fix this. Its a big one. How the heck did they break that?? And I was going to update soon. Thanks for pointing this out most of the people using this software would not even notice.

Glad I didn't update yet. This is a serious issue. I'll update one of my computers and test later tonight.

Hasn’t there alway been a reason we are told never put data at ground zero? I think when you hit play there is always a delay before stuff happens so we are advised to start at at least measure 1 and many use 2. A long standing feature request is to have a negative measure at the start because of this. It would be used for count in and pick up notes And if you need a good tool to perform the loop back try latency monitor https://www.resplendence.com/latencymon

They have that info on the early access thread open the second thread it’s in the first post sorry I’m on my phone so can’t copy links

Yes none of my interfaces have a setting for depth. What is a bit confusing is having that setting in the 2 places where the logical place does nothing and the obscure place does. You would assume it would be in the same place as the clock rate.

And just so it’s clear to others who might read this thread. If you have issues with midi changing patches or volume or pa or effects. Go to the event list and delete any data events that would cause this. You can unselect data you want to keep like notes so it’s easier to see the unwanted data Any bank or patch changes entered in the midi track pane will always override the soft synth GUI. You should set these to none.

+1 to what Colin said. I still have 8.5 installed because there is a few VST's I steal from it and it doesn't take up any room on my hard drive. I stayed with 8.5 right up until Sonar X3 e came out. I skipped the x Series more or less. I didn't like the change and there were a lot of complaints about bugs etc. Besides it cost a lot of money back then to stay on the upgrade path. I figured out the interface within a few sessions and never looked back. Now if I open 8.5 all I see is a zillion missing tools I use everyday. And one thing for sure is they have made huge improvements to stability and its near to bug free now. There's absolutely 1,000's of reason to install and give it a few weeks until your up to speed. All your projects will open and run exactly the same and you can leave 8.5 alone.

@msmcleod My confusion, as I posted above,, I was setting the bit depth in the wrong location in preferences. It's one of those things I never touch and it was probably set 6 years ago and as I do believe Cakewalk copies these setting from upgrade to upgrade it has always stayed put.. It probably doesn't matter which interface I use etc. Reading the OP's last post I think they are aware of this location too. My desktop and my Laptop were set to 16 and I now fixed this. The desktop I never record on, just editing, but I have been using the Laptop for live recordings. No loss there as they are not for making a hit records. Actually 44.1/16 is the perfect setting for that type of stuff.

Open the help module and point the mouse on one it might tell you what they are. Personally I've never seen those. The new Tempo map?

OK I feel stupid. There's 2 places and I should know these things but I totally forgot about this preference dialog. Problem solved. @Hrabe EM @scook

This I think is an old bug with the playlist. I really tried hard a few years ago to make it work and funny things are I also wanted to use my MX 200 and possibly set up lights. I used to do this with my Atari! But I found the playlist buggy and it resulted in delays between most songs. I’m used to having no delay between songs and I use a USB foot switch to advance WinAmps playlist. But of course Win Amp cannot send midi. Otherwise I’m fine with stereo backing tracks. There was one user here who had successfully used it for years so try google to see if you can find Playlist threads from the older forum.

In my signature is a link to my tutorials and I have a whole series on using midi files.

Yes I understand, but I think the OP's mystery is why in the past they managed a higher bit depth and now they can't change it. I think it must be system related. As I just tried a few times to confirm. On my main DAW no problem recording 24 bit.. Same interface on my Laptop records at 16 bit. I confirmed this behavior by recording a short clip and then checked the bit depth. I also opened some older recordings and everything on my laptop is 16 bit and this was using both my Tascam and Scarlett interfaces. Everything,, thank goodness, on my main DAW is 24 bit and that's with 3 different interfaces. I just find it odd that you actually don't really have true control over such a basic function. Even my Yamaha 0v1 from 1996 uses 20 bit. I guess I'm guilty of not paying close attention to that setting. When it's greyed out I assumed it was still 24. The OP's claim of 32 bit is a bit of a mystery as I was unaware any interfaces have ever supported that.

Ok but then check this out, I turned off my Motu and plugged the Scarlet 6i6 into my main DAW and it does go to 24 bit?? Same interface, same settings. And these are all blank projects using a 4 track template.

I think your on to something ,, This is my Office desktop with a Realtech on board audio card.. You can see here that even though I selected 24 and APPLY, the project is still showing 16 I checked and my sound card is set to 24 as well. I opened a new template and it shows 16?? . But here is my Motu interface and you can see it only will record at 24 bit being it's only choice. It's greyed out? But it seems just fine. I then opened Cakewalk on my Laptop with my Scarlette 6i6 interface and it is the same as my Motu with 24 greyed out and Windows setting at 24 as well but the new template opens showing 16 as the project sample rate???

OK I did a google search for SEq and QEq and they don't show up as a Plug in or even anything at all. I can only assume by the short titles that they are Equalizer effect plug ins. I'm not sure where you got them from or what you are doing with them. The screen GIF video in my above post demonstrates a standard VST equalizer plug in VST which DO stay in place as you are after. . Cakewalk also has a very good Equalizer built into the pro Channel. I think you need to forget everything you did in Roxio and learn about how Cakewalk does things.

You can create custom templates and save them and this will do what you are asking about. You simply create your dream project and save it as a Template ( CWT ) file. Next time you start a fresh project open your template and everything that was part of your dream set up is there including any effects like 3EQ. You can also save track templates and have things like your 3EQ as part of that template.

Simple instruments tracks have many pitfalls. This just came up yesterday where if you freeze a simple instrument track and it becomes stuck you loose the synth and your midi data. I have always used a midi track and I have never had routing issues for this reason. If I need to compress my tracks I use folders. My default track templates have folders for drums, piano and strings.

Well if Videos don't work for you then there's the 1,800 page documentation which you can search for topics. Just Google your question. And Cakewalk uses standard Windows system of opening dialog boxes. All the Plug in windows can also be "pinned" so they stay open even when not in focus. Cakewalk uses a Skylight interface where all your workspace modules can be customized and docked or undocked. You set it up the way you like it and save the "workspace" The other handy tool for beginners is open the Help module , go to Views to find it. When you hover the mouse over any part of the screen it will tell you what it is and if you click the "Learn More" button it will open further details. A VST is a Virtual instrument Cakewalk includes a lot of them. There are also VST effect Plug ins. You would have to read the documentation because nobody has the time to type out instructions that are easily available. Cakewalk is complicated and nothing will work the way you think it should work. You really have to spend time learning. Otherwise you'll be doing everything backwards.

Another drive by posting in Questions and Answers. There must be 100's of them now.