Reid Rosefelt

Deleted

4 minutes ago, Greg said:

From site -

As a special thank you to current owners of IK’s MODO BASS software, those users will also receive an automatic coupon for $/€50 off the Crossgrade version. Just be sure you are logged in on our site and add the item to your cart.

I don’t see any mention of edrum support though

So... $268 for Modo Bass and Modo Drum.

The third installment of the Key Suite Series. 63 instruments, including electric pianos, tines, reeds, clavs, analogs and more. 

$149 until June 30th.  Then $199   More info  HERE

The crossgrade price is   €/$199 for anybody who has registered a $99 or up IK product.

Some are getting an additional $50 credit.  Could that be for owning Modo Bass?   If that can be verified, it might make sense to buy Modo Bass, as it's only $118 now as a crossgrade.

For me, with Jam Points it comes down to around $150.  Hmmm....

I am so grateful to IK for charging so much for this.  If it was $99, I would have bought it.   

The idea appeals to me. When you're working on a mix, this would give you tremendous control.  But not for $299! 

But I understand. They have a lot of development costs in this.  After they sell a bunch, the prisce will go down.

As I predicted, IK has taken their Modo Bass concept and transferred it to drums.  More info HERE

Introductory Pre-Order Price is $299.99, after which it will go to $399.99

If you own any IK product of $199.99 or more, you are eligible for a crossgrade price of $199.99
Some people are getting $50 bonus codes--maybe that's for owning Modo Bass.

I don't know if it matters to anybody, but this is one of the few 3rd party plugins that has been curated into Slate All Access.  

We get a lot of D16 plugins for free from Plugin Collective and CM and they're so great.   I think they're some of the best plugins around.  Toraverb is a really great delay, particularly if you like unusual sounds.  

Their stuff often goes on sale for 50% off,  but a  discount from 89 euros to $19 is pretty sweet.    

The Orchestra upgrade is a new instrument called Strings of Winter. It has MIDI Export!   It costs $149.

The Orchestra owners can upgrade to The Orchestra Complete for $119.  (Full price is $399) This includes Strings of Winter, plus many new features, including 108 new presets, and the addition of MIDI export to the everything you had before. The Orchestra, Strings of Winter, and Tuned Percussion are now in the Ensemble engine. Minimum requirement is Kontakt Player version 6.0.4.

The Ensembles

The Orchestra

The Complete Library features the revolutionary all-in-one 80 player orchestra - Strings, Brass, Woodwinds, Percussion, Tuned Percussion & Harp, as well as a lush sounding choir.

European String Orchestra

A 41-piece string orchestra split into 5 sections performed a number of detailed and extended techniques for Strings Of Winter (e.g. Trills, Sul Ponticello, Harmonics, Col Legno, Bartók Pizzicato). The resonance and raw complexity of these new articulations was captured in the classic room of Studio 22 in Budapest. All sections were recorded in their traditional seating position.

Mongolian State Morin Khuur Ensemble

The Morin Khuur is the national instrument in Mongolia, also called „horse head fiddle“. The traditional instrument has two strings made of horse hair and is played with a bow also strung with horse hair. This gives the instrument a delicate and airy timbre. The Morin Khuur Ensemble was recorded at White Arch Studios in Ulan Bator with an orchestra of 15 players split into high and low ensemble.

The articulations

The Orchestra features a complete set of up to 6 articulations per instrument, including True Legato.
The complete library drastically expands the strings with 60 unique articulations spread over 7 different sections and additionally 4 different instruments with String Ensemble FX.

Independent arpeggiators and velocity envelopes create vivid and powerful orchestral colors.

Load up to 5 different instruments in independent slots and play them together.

Every slot can be assigned one of five different modules

Take full control over the ensemble

On the Engine page you can access all individual controls for each of the five instrument modules.

Short notes can be arranged with the arpeggiators, while sustained notes can be shaped with the velocity envelope. Create the orchestral colors as you need them and let the magic happen.

Arpeggiator 
The arpeggiator creates fascinating melodic patterns to give your project a rich and lively orchestral feeling. Change the pattern of the arpeggiator with the rhythm stepper. If needed, you can modify almost every parameter to stay in full control of your orchestral color.

Velocity envelope - shape your sustain sounds

The Velocity Envelope adds a recurring dynamic movement to a sustaining note. The centerpiece is the envelope shape, which can be drawn freely.

Export your custom performance

Once you have been inspired by a preset, drag and drop the arrangement of your performance to your DAW. Unleash the power of the ensemble engine onto your personal template, change notes, reinforce the unique sound with other instruments and make the music your own.

Play the instruments freely

Play your ideas and melodies freely with the individual instrument patches. In addition to the ensemble instrument, individual instrument patches and articulations are also available.

Unleash the full orchestral power with multi-track patches

Multis take the Ensemble Engine even further toward instant playability and sound as they load and layer multiple instances of TO - Strings Of Winter. Aside from the Ensemble Instrument, Strings Of Winter also contains 64 single instrument patches from the separate sections and as a bonus full ensemble risers, crescendos, falls and hits.

The samples: rough & edgy - no polished sound:

"The Orchestra" was recorded and processed with the intention to sound a bit rougher and more “honest” than the common orchestral Hollywood sound. It offers an alternative and promises straight and powerful sounds, punch and a vivid musical experience.

The instruments for "The Orchestra" were recorded in Budapest at the renowned Studio 22 in their traditional seating position and mixed and edited with great attention to detail. This way the different sections blend together perfectly in the same room. All essential articulations are available, including playable true legato samples and multiple round robins for short articulations.

When BIAB came out in 1990, I got it for around $50.  It had about 10 styles, all MIDI.  I couldn't believe how good it was at that price. 

16 hours ago, Ryan99 said:

Is there a time limit for the discount?

I don't know, but the best time to buy BIAB for Windows is December, because that's when they come out with the new Windows version each year.   If you buy now, you'd have to pay again if you wanted to update.  

1 hour ago, John Maar said:

Currently installing Bass Fingers.

The install size wasn't listed online, but showed up at install time.

Interestingly, you get 2 choices: the SD files or the HD files. 2.x GB vs 15.x GB.

HD for me.

We shall see.

It says HERE under Tech specs: 

8 GB free disk space on the system drive 
Sample libraries also require: SD 2.3 GB | HD 15.6 GB

Does it really take up 8GB on the system drive?  

Can somebody answer a question?   

I don't want to pay for WUP and so I have stopped buying Waves plugins. I'm fine with losing most of them, particularly the stuff from Gold, if that day ever comes. Nothing wrong with them, I just use other stuff more.  

But this interests me and the price is sweet.  

I have mostly 10.0 plugins with two 9.20 plugins.  When I load Waves Central it says I can update my plugins.  If I do so, will they stop working without WUP?  

Can I load this without having an up-to-date Waves Central?

Thanks,

Tiger

1 hour ago, John Maar said:

Yup.

There have been a number of patches since then. I think BiaB is up to v 2019 build 628.

Thanks, John.  I just updated! 

This is the BIAB 2019  that was released in December of 2018, right?  

18 hours ago, Zo said:

The oldest instruments , dude if they put modo guitar, they will be false ...lol percussions were first , that said ...i will love it ...

The main graphic looks to me like a snare drum from above. The music is drum beats and piano. And they use the language "hits soon." 

 I think this will be  Modo Drums.  

What would be different from the many drum products they already offer? What would have taken 11 years to develop? Modeled drums. Many different kinds of drums, from tiny to Taiko, customizable by the user. Any shape, size, materials, or beater. Drums that aren't possible in real life. Your choice of rooms, microphones, effects.....

I have a policy of putting off buying all IK products, no matter how much I want them.  I'm waiting for Total Studio 3  to drop (and go on sale) so I can save a bundle.   But If this is Modo Drums I don't think I could wait, unless it costs a fortune.

Just now, Lee D said:

Does it compare favorably to Addictive Drums 2?  I have Addictive Drums 2 but don't really like it because I feel like building a drum track with it is a painful exercise, and the ability to customize the rhythms is not very good.  

You hit the nail on the head.  Groove Agent makes it easier to customize rhythms in real time.   You can kind of play the drums in GA rather than just set up a bunch of patterns. 

This is true times ten with the percussion agent, which gives you even more flexibility. 

I was trying to find a YouTube demo to put here, but they are all pretty bad.  The best thing is for you to demo this.  

I am very invested in Addictive Drums with drum sets and MIDI.  I never thought I would need anything else.  But this fills in an important blank.  
 

14 hours ago, Lee D said:

If they put the full one on sale at some point (I only own the light version) is it worth the purchase?

I think so.  You get some high quality drumsets and the ability to use samples in beatmaking.  But the thing I like the best is the Percussion Agent.  It works in a much cooler way than everything else in GA.    There is a comparison chart HERE. 

Steinberg does provide fully functional trial version that you can get HERE.   I think you need a dongle, though. 

This is a very cool thing.  If you're curious about it, Fluffy Audio offers a free version call Aurorror, which you can get HERE.

Bob,

I think we agree. Everybody should use Kontakt, or any music software, in a way that works with the music they make and the way they like to make it.  Some people find templates with 1000+ instruments to be useful; others don't.  

To get back on topic about the merits of buying full Kontakt, I have always told people that the world of Kontakt virtual instruments is like entering an immense store.
The Kontakt Player instruments are in the "Best Seller" racks when you walk in.  A relatively small amount of products are available here.  

Everything else in the store requires full Kontakt.  This includes a lot of the very best instruments that are available for sale, as well as scores of instruments that are available for free or for a few dollars. 

Once you get Full Kontakt, it opens up an amazing world, especially if you don't have any more money left to buy instruments.  Get Full Kontakt and you can make any kind of music you want without spending an additional dime.  Get Full Kontakt and you will be able to explore new kinds of music you never knew you'd be interested in.

The only limits are your hard drive space and the time you spend finding these instruments.

Hi Bob,   @Robert Bone

I'll do my best.  🤔

Forgive me if you already know this, but first you have to set up a default template in Kontakt, so that it opens up every time with the amount of outputs you want.  In Kontakt 6 you do this by clicking the + sign next to where it says "Outputs" which brings up this dialogue.   

There are many YouTube videos that show how to set  up multiple outputs in Kontakt 5.  It's the same for Kontakt 6  except for the + sign. 

My default Kontakt template has 16 outputs, mapped from 1/2 to 31/32.   Once I open that, I add as many instruments as I want.  When I'm done, I use the batch dialogue to assign each to a separate channel in Cubase, or I do it manually. 

At this point I can see that sound is going into the various output channels, but in Cubase I still don't hear any sound from anything but the first two R&L channels.  I have to activate the outputs I need in Cubase for that particular instance of Kontakt. I might not need all 16.  I don't know how this works in Cakewalk.  As I do that, those tracks turn up in my mixer.

It gets even more complicated when you start routing this stuff into VE Pro and back. 😭 While initial setup is time-consuming, eventually I have templates for various kinds of music that I launch when needed. 

I hope this is helpful, Bob.  If you already know it, maybe it will help somebody else.  

Reid

Waiting for T-RackS 6 or Total Studio 3. 😄

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

7

11 hours ago, Robert Bone said:

Hi - for sure - the issue I referred to is NOT with Kontakt, but with how the list of available choices are displayed by Cakewalk, when assigning an audio input for a Kontakt instance when there are more than 4-5 loaded instruments in the Kontakt instance.  I have hopefully created and properly shared a screen shot of the issue I refer to, where the list of available sources to assign as an Input to an Audio Track gets messed up, after 6-7 loaded instruments.

Here is the link to the screen shot - look what starts to happen with the list - I outlined the area in the list with a red rectangle:

https://imgur.com/lI3cCpn

Now, in the above, the displayed input sources start to get messed up with the 6th and 7th instruments - you see Strings Left (Mono), and the next entry SHOULD be Strings Right (Mono), but instead, it improperly shows Choir Right (Mono). 

The actual order of instruments loaded into the single Kontakt instance are: Bass, Organ, Trumpets, Rhodes, Jazz Gtr, Strings, and Choir, for a total of 7 instruments.  After loading up the instruments, I used the Batch Functions to delete the output section entries and create a stereo output channel for each loaded instrument, and then renamed each output channel to something shorter and clearer for each instrument.

Now, if there is some way to have these available input sources display properly - by CbB, I would LOVE to be able to have more instruments loaded into a single Kontakt instance, I would love to learn about it.

Bob Bone

Hi Bob, 

In your origiinal post you didn't specify that you have had a problem using Kontakt in Cakewalk--but not with Kontakt itself.  Not everybody who frequents this forum is a Cakewalk user, as it's a deals forum.  I'm an ex-Sonar user who switched to Cubase when they went out of business. 

Speaking to people who have just got Kontakt or are thinking about getting it, I want to make clear that there are large numbers of people like me who use Kontakt every day with large amounts of instruments in one instance and never have a problem.  IMO it's one of Kontakt's most important features, essential for mixing multis and separating the outputs for different drums in a drum kit. 

If there is a bug in Cakewalk regarding this important Kontakt feature, IMHO this is something they should address.  But maybe there is a solution to your issue out there.

Reid

Another way to organize all your instruments is to use Kontakt's Quickload feature.  Here you can drag all your NI instruments and non-NI instruments into folders.  There are numerous advantages to this.  

First, your instruments can be anywhere on your hard drives.  The instruments in the Quickload folders are just pointers.

Second, you can organize the same instrument into many categories.    I have a "Rhythmic" folder in Quickload.  That has things like Output synths, DAT's indie fingers series, sonokinetic's ostinato series, and various synth arps.    These same instruments also are found in "synth" and "orchestral" folders.  

Third, if you click the triangle at the top, to the left of the instrument name, all your quickload folders and instruments are accessible through a dropdown menu.

 

 

 

On 6/4/2019 at 12:25 PM, Robert Bone said:

 

2) I never load up more than 4-5 instruments into a single instance of Kontakt, because (at least at one point), otherwise after somewhere around 5 (might be 6) or more instruments in the Kontakt instance, when you are assigning the Outputs for the audio tracks for each instrument, the displayed list of Kontakt output channels starts to get garbled up.  Leaving the max number of instruments for a single Kontakt instance at 4-5, and that issue does not occur

You can load up as many instruments in an instance of Kontakt as you want to and it will work fine.  In fact, Kontakt 5 came with different versions -- one with 8 outputs, one with 16.  You just need to know how to add outputs in Kontakt--and then you can save it as a default, and then Kontakt will load up that way every time.   Most people will only want a few instruments in a single instance, but there are some uses--like using Vienna Ensemble Pro in massive templates--where Kontakt instances with 32 or even more instruments are often used.