Bill Phillips

I can't help you but I'm interested in the answer. IIRC, RX uses the audio interface. So I'd assumed that I needed to close CbB before opening RX.

I have a related question and hope it's ok to ask it here.

Is there a 64-bit version? The one I have 32-bit?

Also, I just finished installing plugins from 8-Platinum in order. I assumed that plugins would be upgraded to the latest version. i.e newer versions would replace older versions. Is that not true?

1 hour ago, scook said:

Default template handling has not changed for some time.

Either method may prevent lost template updates.

The template path is one of the two paths (the other being drum maps) I change in folder preferences both for the same reasons:

1. the aforementioned update issue and
2. to limit the number of templates and drum maps.

In most cases, I prefer to use directory junctions and leave DAW defaults alone, but directory junctions don't address either issue presented by templates and drum maps.

I'm confused. Do Cakewalk updates use the default Template paths assigned by Cakewalk or the paths in File Location Preferences?

When I create templates, I use names not being used by used for the "stock" templates and I think mine are left alone by updates. And when I  change paths, I move the stock content to the new location. Do Cakewalk updates reconstruct the content at the location assigned when Cakewalk was initially installed? 

14 hours ago, scook said:

If you wish to perform a clean install, removing all legacy Cakewalk files and CbB, the old clean instructions still work 

https://legacy.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013372/Clean-Install-All-Cakewalk-Software.

For me Regedit was not required because I used a Restore Point to uninstall Cakewalk software which allowed me to time travel back to when Cakewalk software had been installed. ☺️

6 hours ago, Lord Tim said:

Not to derail the thread or any actual answers (please still do answer Bill, folks!) but ... why tho? There's probably a couple of useful bits of software stretching back that far, but they've either been replaced by better Cakewalk versions, or other third party plugins that do the job much better in the ensuing decade or so. I get that there might be legacy projects that still use this stuff, and this is valid in that situation of course, but for fresh projects I'm wondering if this is more trouble than it's worth?

Of course, if you're doing it just for the hell of it so you have it all, absolutely go for it!  But I'm personally not convinced there's a real lot of value of such old products in 2023 myself. X3 or Platinum onward? Sure - I did that myself to get all of the stuff I paid for with SPlat, etc. but pre-X.... yeah, I personally wouldn't.

Sorry Bill, that wasn't much help to your question!  I'm sure someone will come along with an actual answer soon!

Thanks. You're right. I'm thinking it might be handy when opening old projects, but it has been a lot of trouble so far. I'm thinking most of the 64-bit plugins from SONAR 8 on should run, though I've had issues with some of them. However, earlier, mostly 32-bit, versions are probably useless and I'm not bothering with those. Also, I'm nostalgic and like to look back at the way it was, when we were younger. Hey, that might be a good hook🤣

1 hour ago, JohnnyV said:

I have done things out of order a few times and I never seemed to have anything weird happening to CbB but possibly because I always leave folder pathways and such to defaults. And I  have 8.5 then jump to X3 and I have the Lexicon Reverb. So I’m sure I got it from 8.5.

But as I say I remember looking for it and Tru Piano and just ran the 8.5 installer only checking the bare bones of what I needed. This was long after I had installed the rest of them. 
Note you should really copy the disks to your hard drives as I would not trust an optical disk as a dependable source.  

Thanks. But if you have 8.5 you must also have 8 since 8.5 is an update for 8. Hopefully, there's an advanced minimal install for 8. I did a full install yesterday.

Good idea on copying DVDs to SSD drives. It's nice to know the installers will run from a SSD. I had trouble getting some of the DVDs to load for 8, but in the end they all did and I had no other problems.

Historically I've altered install paths in the past but this time I'm sticking  with the defaults.

4 hours ago, scook said:

Yeah, DP has always been separate and unless one needs the DX format for legacy projects any v1.5 installer will work. 

The Cakewalk Command Center still works and for products with a CCC aware installer like DP v1.5, CCC is the easiest way to install activate legacy Cakewalk products.

I hope I can remember to not install Dimensiion Pro until I get to Platinum where I can use Command Center.

5 hours ago, mettelus said:

As far as Dimension Pro 1.5... that has a separate installer AFAIK, so can be installed alongside whichever version you choose. There were a few updates to it, but it should still be in your Cakewalk account and available through the old download assistant.

Well, I'd installed 1.2 first which required me to use the 1.5 update, but the update wouldn't install because it couldn't find the 1.2 version. I then uninstalled the 1.2 version and tried to run the complete install version of 1.5, but it balked and said it found an older version. That's when I gave up used a restore point to eliminate all the Cakewalk installs. Hopefully this time I'll not install the 1.2 version and be able to install the full 1.5 version using Command Center as @scook suggested.

4 hours ago, scook said:

This is up to you. If you are going to re-install the folders and files will be re-installed anyway.

If you wish to perform a clean install, removing all legacy Cakewalk files and CbB, the old clean instructions still work 

https://legacy.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013372/Clean-Install-All-Cakewalk-Software.

Be careful with these or any instructions regarding removing Cakewalk software. The instructions call for removing the default VST2 plug-in path "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Vstplugins" which may be a problem if the path is used for 3rd party plug-ins. Move/backup the 3rd party plug-ins before deleting the folder.

Thanks. I'm really trying, but so far not, succeeding in making a clean install. I'll use the clean install instructions. I think I have them saved in OneNote as well. Other than my Scarlett 18i8, Cakewalk is the first DAW software I'm installing. So I don't need to worry about other plugins.

4 hours ago, scook said:

Wasn't the "good" version of Pantheon the one released before 8? IIRC, it was multichannel with some extra controls the stereo version bundled with 8 did not have. Regardless, both have been long eclipsed but if you want the plug-in, an advanced install should get it.  Don't remember if it was updated in 8.5.

I'm interested in the stereo version that came with 8. It disappeared after 8.5 according to the spreadsheet. I should be able to install it in 8 & 8.5 to get the update if there was one. I didn't remember to choose the minimal installations when installing yesterday. Hopefully, I'll remember that tomorrow.

4 hours ago, scook said:

As far as actually installing SONAR, I start with X2 to grab V-Vocal.

I think there are a couple of plugins from X1 that I'd like to install.

4 hours ago, scook said:

(You) may want to review the SONAR Plug-in spreadsheet from this post

to see what else only came with X2.

Run the X2a update to get the last version of V-Vocal.

Then run a full install of Platinum.

Using the SONAR Spreadsheet again backfill with advanced installs of any other DAWs for plug-ins only. The old LP plug-ins were discontinued during Platinum. If you need those, the easiest way is an advanced install of X3- but, if necessary, I can look up which Platinum Engineering Suite installer has them. I know it has been posted before.

When done with legacy stuff...install CbB. Really, advanced installs of legacy stuff can happen anytime. CbB needs to be installed as the last DAW so that SONAR and CbB use the latest plug-in manager/scanner and shared plug-ins.

I am using the spreadsheet. I have that in OneNote as well. I've now got a copy that is highlighted to show when the plugins I'm interested in were last available so that I'll get the latest version.

I will do full Platnium install followed by CbB.

This PC is Windows 11 Pro. So, I'm hoping that won't cause any problems. IIRC, all the anecdotal accounts I've noticed on the forum have indicated that no one is having problems with Windows 11.

Thanks again.

I'm starting over again installing legacy SONAR versions to gain access to legacy 64-bit plugins and I have a few questions.

I've read, TMK, all the forum post on this subject and have a half-dozen browser tabs open to them for reference, and I still found a way to screw the install up.

After working on it for several days and spending hours of trying to get the Dimension Pro 1.5 update to install with X1, I regressed to a restore point just after I installed my Focusrite Scarlett 18i8 and before I'd installed any Cakewalk software.

The programs are gone from the Programs and Features list, but all the folders and supporting files up through X1 are still there. Should I delete all of the Cakewalk folders and files?

I started with SONAR 8 DVDs because I wanted to have the Lexicon Pantheon reverb that wasn't available after 8.5 and I needed 8 to install8.5. I used advanced install but installed all 64-bit plugins. Was that a mistake? Should I have installed no plugins with 8 and just the Pantheon Reverb with 8.5? Would that have allowed me to install the full version of Dimension Pro with X1, or could I have waited to install Dimension Pro with Platinum?

My new PC is Windows 11. From reading Forum posts, my understanding is that these programs will all run on Windows 11, though I don't intend to run any other than CbB. I just want the plugins.

Sorry, and Thank you.

1 hour ago, scook said:

IIRC 01_READ_FIRST_SONAR_X1.exe  contains install instructions

02_SONAR_X1_Producer is a two-part installer.

As with any multipart installer, only the first part (the exe file) is run. The rest of the parts are run by the install process itself.

03 Beatscape content w/o the plug-in was reorganized and repackages as loops and one shots in X2. Install both to waste 5GB of disk,

 

I did not bother performing a full install of X1, too old, too many updates (including Producer Expanded).

In fact, I would not bother with full installs of anything prior to X3.

Thanks for the clarification. IIRC, It's been more than a decade since I last installed any of these older version.  I don't think 01_READ_FIRST does contain install instructions. I read through them several times and didn't see that.

I  hadn't downloaded Parts 3&4.

Starting with SONAR 8, I've been using advanced install, but I've been installing all 64-bit plugins with the idea that they will get updated as I go. Also, I'm having so much fun doing this that I don't want to do it again.

Thank again.

I need some help in installing SONAR X1.

I have three SONAR X1 initial install files shown here inside the squiggly blue line. I installed .part1 but .part2 is a rar file. I tried unzipping it using 7zip, WinZip and RAR Opener. All had errors in extracting Setup-6.bin, and there doesn't appear to be .exe file to launch.

This may have been installed by .part1 but I can't tell since I don't know what's in it. It doesn't appear to be addressed in the ReadMe doc. The Additional_Content installer does launch, but I closed it because the installer states that Dimension Pro 1.5 needs to be installed first. I have that as a separate installer.

29 minutes ago, scook said:

SONAR 8.5 was the first version to have a downloadable installer, however; unlike all other downloadable installers provided by Cakewalk, this one required SONAR 8 be installed prior to running the update. This was done to reduce the size of the installer.

SONAR 8 was never available as a download. It was only available on disk.

SONAR 8.5 upgrade disks were available when the product was announced. The disks were the same as full retail version (I think upgrades came w/o the retail box in the US).

Without the SONAR 8 disks, the 8.5 upgrade download is useless.

SONAR X1 and newer have full installers and updates available for download on the old Cakewalk site for registered users with valid SSO accounts.

So that's it. Thanks.

I have the SONAR 8, 4 DVD box set. So I can install that. All I want are 64 bit plugins that aren't available on later versions. It looks like the only one that was dropped after 8.5 is the Lexicon Pantheon Reverb. Looks like I can get it on 8.0 and don't need to install 8.5. Hopefully it has an advanced install option.

I've just built a new PC and want to install legacy plugins, starting with 8.5, before installing CbB. I believe I have all the correct files. Here's a link to screenshots of the install file folder and the error message.

I believe the problem is that the installer is looking for the previous (8.3.1, I think) of SONAR which I don't want to install. I tried running the installer as Administrator and that didn't help.

I've also used the "can't locate the required version" in both Cakewalk Forum and Google searches with no luck. So maybe this is new. My new PC is Windows 11, don't have it listed in my signature yet.

I did find this form post from 2009 indicating I do need at least 8.0 installed to use the downloaded installer. Of course, the 8.0 installer may require that an earlier version is installed.

On 8/1/2023 at 12:11 PM, scook said:

No.

Time/Pitch Stretch 2 was a plug-in bundled with Cakewalk products for years.

It is not part of CbB. Fortunately, like most Cakewalk plug-ins, if one product installs the plug-in, all products may use it.

When installed, the plug-in only appears in audio clip context menus under Process Effects.

Using instructions you've provided on the forum, I'm starting today loading minimal installations of SONAR (8.5, X1-3 & Platinum) on a new PC before I install Cakewalk. I've never used the Time/Pitch Stretch 2 plugin, but I hope I get it my installs.

1 hour ago, Johnbee58 said:

Yeah.  I'm willing.  Let's keep it friendly.  I shouldn't have made it the way I  did.  I apologize to all.  I shouldn't have stooped to "their level".

😀John B

I suggest you read through this thread. I believe you'll see that the only person being in any way aggressively or disrespectfully here is you in your references to "they" and their undisclosed transgressions. To me, it sounds to me that you're trying to pick a fight over some past transgressions that maybe only you remember.

Also, going back to 2019 might indicate you hold a grudge too long.

22 hours ago, scook said:

If legacy SONAR is installed Time/Pitch Stretch 2 may be available.

Hidden away in the clip context menu under Process Effects > Audio Effects > Time in the "Sort by Category" layout, it is worth checking out.

This is a destructive effect.

And forget the help unless the OS has been modified to handled ancient hlp format.

Does this require Loop Construction View as described here?

36 minutes ago, mettelus said:

This has come up from time to time as a feature request. Exception handling within programs requires extra coding, but will identify and prevent crashes. It also can give detailed feedback via the program itself rather than make it guess work or put it on the user. I forget which plugin it was now (or even the host... I think it was doing video), but I actually got a pop-up from that host years ago that said "[X plugin] tried to perform an illegal operation and has been blacklisted." It didn't give more detail than that unfortunately (would need more detail than that to make it useful), but the host didn't crash or scan that plugin again.

Exception handling to prevent plugins from crashing DAWs must be difficult or plugins wouldn't be listed as causing 99.9% of all DAW crashes by Production Experts. There are probably a number of plugin failure modes that can and are anticipated by DAW developers. But there are also probably an incalculable number of ways plugins can crash that nobody can anticipate until it happens. 

Read this before posting here for assistance when Cakewalk crashes. It might save you and the people trying to assist you some time.

However, the troubleshooting method proposed seems hard to implement, for me at least. I have a couple of thousand plugins and plucking (then replacing) half of the 10-20 I'm using in a project from their folders in the plugin 10 +/- Plugin folders can take a while. Maybe renaming them by adding character to the .dll or .vst3 suffix (.dllx or .vst3x) might work and be easier.

4 hours ago, Will. said:

Mobile (aka mobi) 🤣

So a pet name (dropped 2 characters) not an acronym? Hmmm.🙄

Now that I know what this discussion is all about, I can say that I do appreciate the mobile phone UI improvements and agree that it is much improved. Before, I often, but not always, had to switch to landscape and zoom/scroll to read forum content.

On 7/26/2023 at 10:37 AM, Will. said:

I am loving the new mobi look. 

Sorry, what's mobi?

On 7/13/2023 at 9:46 AM, fret_man said:

64bit Rapture came with SonarX2, X3 and Platinum. Dig up those disks and install only Rapture.

You're kidding, right? I don't recall receiving any X2, X3 or Platinum CD's, just hours of downloads.

On 7/13/2023 at 7:29 AM, Xoo said:

So 250GB is plenty of space to install a bunch of applications and plugins (given that most plugins with large libraries allow installation elsewhere).

I thought the same thing. Then I installed 1000 VSTs on a 2nd drive and learned that the VST3 versions of those plugins install in the Program Files folder on the System (C:/) drive. And, many of them, even the VST2 versions, store lots of data in the Users folder also on the System (C:/) drive.

And then there's the installers and other small programs installed by some VST Installers. I don't have much other than the DAW on my PC and I have 300-400 programs listed under Programs and Features on Control Panel.

I ended upgrading my System drive to 500 GB.

I'm not sure I understand the question. So I'll tell you what I do. I too have a Focusrite audio interface. The Cakewalk Master bus output is routed to the Focusrite Monitor output.  I don't mess with that. 

The Windows 10 audio output is routed separately to, in your case, the laptop speakers. But other routing options exist like Bluetooth. The selection is made using the little speaker 🔊 icon on the tool bar.

To test a mix, I export it as a 16/44.1 wave file and use the Windows Media player which uses output selected with the little speaker 🔊 icon.

10 hours ago, Starship Krupa said:

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Thanks, I  do have some Melda stuff but it may be all free plugins. I doubt they'd add another 20% discount for something that's being offered at a 84% discount. Who's Brian Walton?