Pathfinder

17 hours ago, Tom B said:

If you're running on an Intel 12th or 13th generation processor,  this post by @Jim Roseberry discusses why migrating from Win10  to Win11 can be beneficial:

I am going to 12th I think. I have read 13th gen really needs liquid cooling to run best. I am a fan guy. Huge fans  and they work for me. Anyone remember a company named Multiwave? For many, many years I would go to their site and but a MB\cpu\cooler\minimal stuff just to test it and then Ibuild from their. I cannot fin anyone that does that anymore. reason being my arthritis in my hands doesn't really really hurt my guitar playing but building from complete scratch, A PC gets tougher every year. Not to mention my poor eyesight.

Thought about Jim R but I don't think he does such bare bones stuff. Guess I should ask.
m.2 hi end samsung stuff are fairly new and I want to reuse them in new PC. 

Thanks for all the info

Well, since I have no issues with I guess I'll stick for a while. Bought 2 x64 Pro versions (legal) way back. Why? end of 10 security updates.

Thanks for the input!

I have had 2 legal win 11x64 pro thumb drive purchases for quite a while.
With reference to CWB, Next, etc various music apps) Will I really see any improvements  if I finally do install it? I am running fine now and figured it was time for a fresh win 10x64 install (been 3 1/2 years) So? Any opinions welcome

Thanks folks

Pathfinder Frank

Just had to circle back and say THANKS AGAIN to all who helped..........................stuff getting better (and clearer) every day............................

On 10/2/2023 at 12:12 PM, HOOK said:

Not sure what compressor you're using, but for vocal, and if you're somewhat compressor illiterate, I would suggest the PC2A Lever module in your ProChannel.  That's an LA-2A type compressor. REALLY easy to use.  Mainly concern yourself with the peak reduction knob and a gain makeup knob.  And its a classic compressor that you'll probably love the sound of on your vocal.  You've been hearing it your whole life.  Don't be shy with it.  Heavy compression with it can sound really good on a vocal.  You can even stack them in ProChannel and take a little off with each - the way someone earlier mentioned.

 

I definitely a, somewhat compressor Illiterate than you very much. I am very well versed on SINGING lead vocals and playing guitars---Thanks I will check that out tomorrow o sure. Haven't been using the Pro channel much since i got all the Izotope and waves stuff. But I remember I grabbed manny add on PC stuff  when they were available-I do miss it actually and thank you for the suggestion about he PC2A Lever module.

Have to add this to my notebook of CW tips  🙂 

Thanks

15 minutes ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

In that case I would HIGHLY recommend recording "dry". Just leave enough headroom so you don't clip on the way in.

Aim for peaks somewhere in the -6dB to -12dB range.

Appreciate the input. I will do that but I will continue to learn about Vocal compression- I am retired so all I do is pay my guitars and record    🙂 

BTW noticed, I have the same Focusrite. Does much more than I need....Still learning that to since I used an Echo Layla 3G forever.

1 minute ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

After

One further point which might or might not have been addressed above - unless you are really comfortable setting compessor thresholds, ratio, attack & release, you might end up damaging an otherwise perfect take. With the inherent headroom of 24 bit recording you don't NEED to commit to "tape" so early in the process.

Your mileage may vary

You assumed correctly . I am NOT comfortable with compressor controls. I have been reading and watching different videos on vocal compression.  I need more and I will. Thanks

14 minutes ago, Will. said:

🤣 Practice is key here. Thats why we use EQ to bring it back to life. Dont compress at this stage - only tame when printing it. 

Make sure all your Pro Channel effects are off. Mine is totally disabled - meaning the module has been removed. 

 

Got it! Thanks again.

4 minutes ago, Will. said:

Dont sweat it. No I mean after you have recorded the vocal with the tamed effect on. 

OK so, as statedt he vocal sounds OK, better than when we started. BUT, I thought it was because of the printed track. But when I MUTE the printed track there is no difference at all in what I a hearing. But when I look at the de-esser and compressor in that track they are reacting to the vocal. If I solo the printed track it is LOW and LIFELESS? 

Guess I didn't learn as much as I thought I did. Maybe I'll stick to the end production compression and all.

24 minutes ago, Will. said:

😌 It will sound even better when you do the actual compression to it. 🙂 

Ok dumb question-Do you mean on the way in or in he FX bin after? As far as sounding better. Feel like an idiot!

8 minutes ago, Will. said:

😌 It will sound even better when you do the actual compression to it. 🙂 

Yes that seems to be my weakest spot right now. Working on it!

The vocal, just an old ballad sounds so much better to me since this thread started. It's nice when you get what you wish for. Thanks so much folks. 
I have many plugins but, for waves CLA Vocals and a touch of Breverb 2 or reveberatex64 sound fine to me. I am using the Izoptope stuff for the "printed FX track.
This is a good Sunday. Of course I am not done learning and using what's in this thread alone.

Thanks again

4 minutes ago, Will. said:

Yes it will. You will have both Dry and wet Vocals. Just make sure to Arm both. 

I normally dont need the Dry vocals when i do it. I tweak my effects while the artist do test runs. The  trick is to create extra headroom with the compressor while uou let autotune run in the background on the arm track. 

Thanks. I am copying the thread comments into a word doc.  School is fun and needed  🙂 I don't use AutoTune. Not to sound like a jerk but I am a very good singer-. I am sure I waiver here and there, but I want that. weird I guess. Been the lead singe in every band, trio and duo I have been in and also about 30 years of solo, me and an acoustic.

6 minutes ago, mettelus said:

You certainly could do that, sure, but if you are going to do any post-production, then the baked track is superfluous (you have to run the FX bin anyway to record the other track). There is nothing stopping you from running FX over and over on the same audio, when tracking, mixing, etc.

Getting confused now-maybe a better vocal mic-just kidding. I think. The CM5 was great in it's day. Made by Stellar I think and a great copy supposedly of a very famous vocal mic. Actually one of the OLDER forums (Glennbo and others is where I remember reading about this CM5 many years ago.

This is the mic, I bought it new when they came out:

Stellar CM5 Tube Condenser Microphone (C12/ELAM251 Inspired)

Wouldn't recording an ADDITIONAL vocal track and trying Wills suggestion still leave me with a dry vocal recording (no FX printed). This is  a question.

I us very few tracks since everything but My vocal and my guitar are live, everything else VSTs Only 3 of them)

19 minutes ago, Will. said:

Yep there is. I record my artists or snares with effect to tame the peaks. 

Step 1: Create your recording track. 

Step 2: Add your desired effects and tweak them to taste. 

Step 3: Add an extra Audio Track>Go to the newly created tracks Input and create a NEW PATCH POINT. 

Step 4: Go to your recorded track and sent that to the New Patch Point. 

Step: 5 Arm Patch track and start recording. 

Going go look at this right now- I never have. Perhaps after 30+ years I will actually start to learn to use CW a bit better-THAT is my goal here in my older years!

Thanks very Much

9 minutes ago, Byron Dickens said:

I misunderstood what you were saying about your vocals needing help.

I know I tend to ramble and OVER explain the issue..  Never on purpose   🙂

10 minutes ago, Byron Dickens said:

Throwing a bunch of effects on something that doesn't sound good in the first place ain't gonna make it better.

I never said they sound BAD and I certainly know you cannot fix garbage. I am not talking about garbage. Just BETTER than they are. I just have been researching quite a bit about vocals. I mean just putting the Waves CLA Vocals plug with some adjustments in the vocal FX bus makes a world of difference.

Thing is I keep reading about (yes OUTBOARD FX) putting a compressor, for instance on the vocals on the way in.

sorry I cannot explain things in super record nerd terms, I am trying, I am a guitar player first. Yes, had CW since the 90's. But just used it in the simplest ways since the bass, drums and keys VSTs always sound the way I want and so does my recorded electric and acoustic guitar parts.

Hope that explains it a bit more clearly. Just lookin for help, is all. I'll put in the work but I need to read it and\or watch and listen to tutorials-for me anyway!

On 10/1/2023 at 12:12 PM, treesha said:

Ps I also noticed that certain features/modules would be ok but others cause an immediate problem. Low balance control in my ozone the worst. I did some of the computer tweaking in various optimizing posts on the forum and that helped what i have work a little better too. 

I need to do some searching on the optimize issues. I would have thought an 11thgen i7, 32GB Hi Performance ram and ALL newer NVMe.M2 samsung drives would be enough. evidently not. It really only happens if I try to use the Nectar 4 advanced asst that states "Customizing the Process".

Oh well. 
Thanks very much for the input!

Hope the title makes sense. I have never tried using plugs (like compression\EQ etc on the way IN of the vocal recording. Just old habits, not good habits. Always recorded clean and then added FX etc later.
I imagine outboard compressor etc would be best but I have to use what I have=zillions o plugins Mostly waves and Izotope. Now vocals always come out OK after processing but I know they could be much better. Vocal mic options I have are CM5 large Dia Condenser mic, Shure SM58beta and a few lesser ones.

IAH, I want to leave a nice recorded cd for my family and friends. Better late than never. I was always too busy (my excuse for not learning more over 30 years with CW) playing out in bands etc.
EDIT: I use midi and VSTS for Drums, Keys and bass-THey always sound fine. My guitar also sounds fine. My recorded vocals are, well-HELP!

Thanks

20 hours ago, treesha said:

I have had to stop upgrading any of my izotope plugins because my computer is getting too old (?) to handle them so I get glitches and dropouts. I have read on here Izotope products can be heavy to use. I have closed the gui if I am having an issue and sometimes that helps.

I thought since Ozone 10 advanced, Neutron 4 advanced, Nectar 3 plus, etc never bothered somewhat modern PC nectar 4 advanced would be OK. Evidently not. No refunds of course. Thanks for the reply Treesha

Sorry to have bothered anyone......................................☹️

Works fie on my laptop with Win8.1x64. Also works fine on my Win 10x64 Desktop

Sorry-Venting again!

6 hours ago, paulo said:

The big hint was where I said that I had just  installed the version recommended by CW in this thread and it still doesn't work. 😀

Jeeezzz Sorry! Just trying to help. I'll stop.