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Yeah, it's still there. I think I'm just gonna bounce everything to stems and move on to Reaper. The glitch might not be a CbB problem but I've been wrestling with CbB for a few songs already. It's just really clunky, unintuitive, and hard to use. I'm done with it.

Hi @Lance Jones Old post revived, yes. I could not solve the problem and became tired of it so I gave up. But I need to finish this song. So I opened it again tonight and now there are NO PLUGINS at all on any of my 50 tracks. Months ago, I must have tried your suggestion of holding down shift. Did this prevent the plugins from loading or just disable them? Is there any way to get them to load again?

Na, I checked my drives and they showed healthy. I never touch my cables. Thanks.

Hey @Robert Bone, so I've run LatencyMon a few times since installing it. I feel like I get slightly different results each time. But almost always one driver shows up as being a problem: ataport.SYS atapi driver. Earlier today TCPIP was one. Now it's a different one but always ataport is the first one. FYI: CbB is currently NOT running while I ran this test. I do have a number of other programs open though including Photoshop, Chrome, Firefox, Thunderbird, Word, Spotify, ACrobat, and a few others. And NO, I never had problems with all these programs open before while running my DAW. But if you'd like me to try something, let me know. Thanks.

I've noticed the same thing. Never mentioned it though but I always thought it was strange. I have used many DAWs and far as I can remember, whatever view/state you close your session in is the same state it's in when you reopen. But nope! Cakewalk is DIFFERENT!

So while I was experimenting, I noticed some minor thing that needed fixing. I fixed it and saved it. Did I just save the project with all plugins disabled? I closed it and opened it and all my plugins are still off. Don't even tell me I have to go and turn them all on again. SMH.

REPORT: (project settings: buffer size: 64; sample rate: 48k; Bit depth: 24) Ok, so I started up the session holding shift as @Lance Jones has recommended to disable all plugins. Heard a crackle at the separations between audio clips. Bounced out a selection, No crackle. So it's just in the session. (this is only for the guitar audio clips). I changed the buffer to 512, still hear crackle at the same spots but not as bad. (that doesn't cut it. I need ZERO crackle. Also, I should not be getting crackle at 512 WITH NO PLUG INS ENABLED!!!) 2. As @SteveC suggested, I took a copy of the vocal clip that had a lot of glitches and dragged it further down the timeline--ZERO glitches. Then, I copied that same section to a new track--glitches present. THEN, I bounced that section of the solo vocal on the original problem track and there is zero glitch on the bounced mp3. BUT if you've heard any of my previous uploaded clips, you will know that the glitches ARE present in the bounce. Somehow, some of the glitches are session only, other glitches show up on the bounce. And some of the glitches are baked in to the clip while other glitches are just audible during playback only. 3. I copied a different section of a different vocal track and dragged it down to later in the timeline and the glitch was still there. That glitch was baked in I believe. Conclusion: It seems I'll have to rerecord some damaged tracks but I know the glitches will show up in the same spots on the new takes. I need to find out what is causing these glitches in these spots. I think my best lead for figuring this out is LatencyMon. It keeps telling me I will be experiencing audio dropouts due to some driver issues. I've posted results before but got limited help on it. Side note: Probably related. When I record in Reaper, I get random dropouts and a high-pitched tone (probably around 10k) which lasts for a second or so. This tone can happen during playback of recording but oddly, if it's during recording, it does not affect the audio. It only blocks what I hear but whatever was recorded still ends up on the clip unaffected. Thanks err'body.

@SteveC That's a good idea to move the clip further down the timeline. I'll try that. Also, yes, the downsampling does sound like bit reduction but I think there is a slight difference between the two, technically. @Robert Bone you are correct. The only cable coming out of my printer is for power. @bvideo No tempo changes. Just meter changes. Interestingly, I'll have to check, but those might be around the problem areas. Just using reverb and delays for the most part. Compression. Melodyne. But this problem was before I pitch corrected. @Colin Nicholls Attaching some files here. Thank you all. Recording Glitch.m4a Liar Glitch 2.mp3 harmony glitchs-MOTU Audio ASIO Main Out 1-2.mp3

Yes, Steve. Someone suggested the same thing. I'll be trying that soon. and FYI, that glitch sound seems to be a downsampling of the audio. What could cause that? And in the same places every new track.

I see your point. My concern was not so much degeneration of the clip after bounce. I'm more concerned with sometimes you just want to remove all Melo edits and start over on a particular part. Can't do that once it's bounced unless there's a way to bounce it to a separate track and retain the original clip with the Melo edits. What is wrong with freezing Melo edited tracks? As I mentioned, sometimes I want to go back to the track and make some more edits. If I Render Region FX, doesn't that bounce that clip into a new clip and you no longer have the original? Of course, I can always Bounce to Clip when I am completely satisfied with the edits and ready to mix and still retain the original track and just mute it. I just never want to lose access to the original track with the Melo edits on it.

Thanks to Melodyne haha. I realized what the glitch sound is but still not the cause. It's not clipping. It's seems like a downsampling of the audio in those parts. something is causing my audio at those moments to be downsampled.

No demo plugins. I'll try your suggestion. Thanks.

I have a wireless router connected to my LAN cable. I forgot how it's connected. I think wall to router to computer. It monitors how much printer ink I'm using with HP. I'm on a ink subscription so they monitor how many pages I print via the internet.

But @Robert Bone, since the list is not indeed WiFi drivers, do you think that those WAN miniports could still be causing a possible issue? As Kevin says, those are not WiFi.

I totally hear you an that. My problem is there are certain features from each DAW that I really like, other features that I HATE and are deal breakers. So it's hard for me to decide on which features are most important and which I'll just have to live with. So far though, Reaper seems to offer the most for the price. I don't have a step sequencer which bums me out. And all those Groove Agent Drum Doctor things in other DAWs would be nice but I program my own drums anyway. Maybe a bit more cumbersome and time consuming. And I'll miss the really nice console found in some DAWs including CbB. AND the ProChannel. So it's always gonna be a trade off. I'll really miss the vertical line on the cursor in Waveform which makes it so easy to know where you are clicking or slicing. The perfect DAW just does not exist. But at least now I can get back to making music. Until I can afford to try Ableton or Digital Performer. Maybe one of these paid DAWs is the answer? I always feel like I'm missing out on a really good workflow of another DAW that I havne't tried. So frustrating!

Thanks @Kevin Perry . So I guess it's not causing me problems. I'm hard-wired anyway. I do have a connection to a wireless router for my printer though.

Correction. I mistook this thread for the "Feedback Loop" so you're right. I posted in the wrong forum. I just saw the word feedback and didn't pay attention to the 2020.05. Sorry. @GreenLight I used the wrong quote. Corrected now. Should make sense now.

I figured my rant was a form of feedback and figured it was the most appropriate place to put it. I appreciate your feedback. I agree. I started with AcidDJ but didn't want to pay for Sony Acid to upgrade. I ended up messing around with Reaper but never liked the interface. I did the 30 day trial of Cubase. Some things on there annoyed me. I tried messing with Presonus Studio One. Seems intuitive but I am not ready to drop the cash for the version I wanted. The cheaper version was way too limited. I tried Harrison Mixbus which only cost me $29. Hated it. Nice interface though. I forgot what I didn't like about it. I tried Tracktion T7, the free DAW by Waveform. I liked it but it had a lot of bugs. I upgraded to Waveform 9. Still had issues. They gave me a free upgrade to 10. More bugs. I REALLY liked that DAW. It was easy to use and nice interface but it was so buggy. I had to recreate corrupted projects a few times. Much as I liked that DAW, I had to swear it off. NO MORE. I gave it so many chances. On to CbB. Same deal. Wrestling with a lot of issues waiting for things to get smooth. Nope. I was considering trying Ableton. I've seen many videos using it and it seems pretty intuitive but I ain't dropping $500 just now. Don't even wanna mess with FL. I also heard it's not good with recording audio. I would probably be using Logic as that seems the most intuitive DAW with a nice clean interface however, I cannot stand and will not use Apple products so that's out. I'd love to check out Digital Performer by MOTU but that too, is expensive. So here we are, full circle, back to Reaper. For now.

@Chris Knowles Thank you for the explanation. I have seen many videos from both the guys you mentioned. Mike is really great. But he even prefers Studio One over CbB. I have used CBB for at least two songs and a third now that I'm having major glitch issues with. But I'm telling you every little thing I do is a struggle. I can point out many things I like about CBB but probably just as many things I don't. I can best describe CBB as "clunky". Here's one little example: When using the sequencer, you left click to turn on a note but you have to right click to turn it off. OMG that is so annoying and unintuitive. Other programs, click on, click off. I started a new project in Reaper last night. I can only describe it as a relief. No problems, no issues. One new feature that I found unintuitive. But overall I was glad to be back. Maybe it's because I've been using it longer? But I don't remember ever struggling with Reaper the way I do with CBB. Yeah, it's not as pretty as CBB but at least now I can make music!

I think mine was set to 2. I'm working in Reaper now. I'll check later. I was unable to update to the latest version of CbB. It hung up at the end of installation:

Not exaggerating. These two words could not possibly be further from the truth. Each and every little action I do in the process of making music on CbB is a torturous cumbersome struggle. I REALLY REALLY REALLY wanted CbB to be my new forever DAW. I was so excited when I discovered it. I was telling my friends about it. Even got one friend to start using it. It has so many cool features but the effort I have to put to do things that really should be effortless and intuitive, are just not. Even after I learn them, they are still awkward. (Even the name is unintuitive: CbB??? Why CbB?? I had to ask what it meant. Now I know, Cakewalk by Bandlab but who cares who made it? Do other DAWS go by StudioOne by Presonus? S1bP? LbA? PTbS? WTH? How bout CW? or CB? or just Cake? Jeez. Making something simple complicated). Last night, I literally spent more than an hour trying to export a short clip of audio from a couple of soloed tracks. Sometimes I would get an empty bounce, sometimes I had sound. And I couldn't figure out why one time it worked and one time it didn't. Wasted SO MUCH time working on this song. SO MANY HOURS GONE trying to figure stuff out or fix weird happenings. I just updated CbB to the latest in the hopes of fixing a MAJOR glitch problem that may or may not be attributed to CbB so that's when I saw this graphic during the update and felt compelled to write this post. This DAW is ANYTHING but effortless. Reaper might not be as pretty but it has a lot of great and intuitive features. You should take notes from them. I'm going back to Reaper. The whole time I was writing this, I was installing the update. By the time I finished, this is what I returned to: Apparently, it's stuck so I either have to reupdate or I don't know what. It didn't update successfully.

@Noel Borthwick Thank you sir. I am updating now. Apparently, mine was 04. I doubt this will make a difference but I guess it can't hurt. @bitflipper ok, thanks. I'll try the full scan before bed. C drive or data drive? or both? @Kevin Perry What are those then? I disabled them all and was disconnected from the internet. Would disabling those make a difference in the performance of my DAW? Thanks. @Robert Bone Of yeah, sorry, I forgot to report on that. I feel like the performance improved. But then again, CbB seems to perform better upon opening and when open for a while, degrades in performance. I was able to operate at 64 buffer size with minimal crackling. Latency almost undetecable but after a few minutes, slowly increased latency. I had to reopen the preferences window and click on 64 again then it went back to lower latency. That's a good idea pasting the clips to a new project. It's so hard to tell if it's in the clip or just hearing it live BUT as you know, when I bounce a clip or the whole song, those glitches are audible so baked in or not, they are there in the final product. One last thing that dawned on me which may be a clue: if you listen to the glitches, it sounds like the audio is downsampled or bit crushed. Can't tell which but the question is, what would cause audio to be downsampled or crushed like that? And again--in very specific places on the timeline.

Ok, so I disabled all my WiFi drivers. Tried recording with buffer size 128. Tried 64, and back to 1024. When recording into a bran new empty project, glitch free, as suspected. When recording into my current project, I still get the glitches. Also varying degrees of tiny little crackles here and there. It's not a pristine recording. Weird thing is these glitches and crackles seem to happen at certain areas. There's one exactly on bar 6 , bar 9 and another bad one on bar 17. And some of them appear on transitions like going from the end of the chorus to the verse. AND I feel like I hear them in varying degrees. So they are in consistent which also makes me wonder if they are embedded in the file or is it CbB that's making the sound during playback and record. But it shows up on the export so maybe it is embedded somehow? I'm attaching a bounce of a solo vocal where you can hear the glitch really loud. You can hear 1 glitch at :09 on the word saw. Next one is at :16 really bad. Then again at :39 really really bad. I also attached a clip of harmonies where you can hear the glitches on multiple tracks at the same place. Liar Glitch 2.mp3 harmony glitchs-MOTU Audio ASIO Main Out 1-2.mp3

@Robert Bone Got this from the MOTU site regarding firmware: My unit: 896mk3 FW Current Version: v1.01 (no link) so there is nothing to install unless I use the 896mk3 Hybrid firmware which I'm afraid could cause problems. Onto the next...