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9 minutes ago, PavlovsCat said:

To the BFD3 users: is the plugin working well?

I have BFD Eco and have watched the various forums over the years and avoided buying the upgrade to BFD3 (it's  only $49 USD) due to so many reported issues, but figured when I see people consistently reporting that it's working I will probably pick it up. The last thread I saw here, some users reported  that it works fine while others still had problems.  

It's certainly not perfect - but I'd suggest at $49 it's well worth picking up.

5 minutes ago, HIBI said:

I believe this is actually a version released about a month ago.
I don't know why an email notification was sent out today.

yes - odd that they would wait a month, but we have to remember that the BFD use a different timing system to the rest of the world.   

A day in BFD land = a month for everyone else 

On 6/14/2023 at 10:53 PM, antler said:

Deskew is a small company of good people

Possibly - but the evidence suggests they are also wanting to gouge as much money out of people as possible.

Originally they were going to totally cut many of the PA customers adrift - they have backtracked a LITTLE on that and are happy to welcome you onboard if you pay $169 upfront some of which they may refund. 

Also they want an additional $15 'admin fee' from PA customers -  what is that ?........well it's nothing but a PA Punishment Tax.   Why do PA customers have to pay an ADDITIONAL $15 compared to Deskew customers ?  What is the $15 actually for ?

On 6/14/2023 at 10:53 PM, antler said:

did nobody at Deskew check their income stream/s to see that the income from PA was lower than expected?

yes - and they even posted ON THIS FORUM that they knew that PA offered vouchers and sales.  They were well aware about it on their own forums too.  They are now just looking for excuses to charge you again for the software licence you already bought.

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Gig Performer 3 is fairly late in it's development cycle - there hasn't been an update for over a year.  I'm betting NO additional features will be added.  This means that the $169 (ish) payment is actually for bug fixes in the version you already have.  That stinks.

We can also assume that GP5 (corrected typo!) is around the corner.  What they should have done is welcome ALL their existing customers on board, charge them ALL an upgrade fee to get to GP5 (corrected typo!) and move on.  

Personally I'll vote with my feet and stick with the PA version I have.  People who run a company like Deskew don't deserve ANY of my money, they make Waves look like amateurs. 

On 6/13/2023 at 8:11 AM, John Maar said:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I will not say that any of the sentiments mentioned in the previous posts are wrong, but I will say that I don't agree with them.

indeed - so I my reply is meant very respectfully.....

On 6/13/2023 at 8:11 AM, John Maar said:

I have been a regular user of the unlocked Windows version of Gig Performer since early v2, and an active member of their support forum. Deskew isn't a big company. It's a couple of guys who came from IBM Research who happened to be musicians who needed/wanted a better product for hosting instrument and effects VSTs for live use. Gig Performer is the result.

yes, and I've been with Gig Performer since v3  - via PA.  I bought it in good faith - fair and square - with my own money.  We should ALL pay for the software we used.

On 6/13/2023 at 8:11 AM, John Maar said:

Back when I had to work for a living, I spent over 15 years doing active software development. I also qualified and certified third party software for use in the oil and gas, and SCADA industries. In my opinion, Deskew provides the most responsive and most useful support of any software developer I've every dealt with, going back to the late '70s and my use of DEC PDP-8 minis at Fermilab (octal assembly language with a three-pass paper tape assembler).

great but I'm not sure how your personal career experience is relevant  to this current situation ? But I would point out that Deskew NEVER provided support for PA customers - I know because I tried.

On 6/13/2023 at 8:11 AM, John Maar said:

I remember when the PA-locked version of GP was released. Deskew had to modify GP to lock it to PA's plugins. From the beginning, Deskew made it clear that the PA version would not be updated with every point release (vX.x.x), but from time to time with a dot release. (vX.x).

yes, I bought the PA UNLOCKED version, in good faith.

On 6/13/2023 at 8:11 AM, John Maar said:

I can tell you that the amount of new functionality that comes with each new release of the full version is astonishing, and they only charge for upgrades when moving to a new major version (vX to vX+1), and that only happens every couple of years (like Studio One). All of that new functionality is driven by their existing user base on their very active support forum.

But there isn't a new release ? they are asking for payment to get on the .x updates - although they haven't actually said how many of those updates there will be, if any ?

On 6/13/2023 at 8:11 AM, John Maar said:

If their requested upgrade pricing from the PA-locked version to the full unlocked version is not worth it to you, cool. But don't complain about it. It's their product and they have a right to price it any way they want. Personally, I have received WAY more value from GP than what I've paid over the years. GP and Studio One are my two main music apps, and I don't see that changing any time soon.

ahh - again you are talking about the PA-locked version...I bought the UNLOCKED version (twice, both v3 and v4) - and why shouldn't I complain ?  It's their product but I am still a customer and just because they 'have a right' (not actually true!) to price it any way they want - doesn't make it ok.  Basically because they think PA screwed them they are screwing us - great!

On 6/13/2023 at 8:11 AM, John Maar said:

Peace, love and understanding.

you too 🕊️ but slightly less of the 'love' to Deskew (on the contrary!)

43 minutes ago, Grem said:

Well, ya gotta give Deskew props for even posting in this thread.

not really (IMO) ?  

can you imagine if anyone else did that:

Waves: ahh, sorry you bought from everyplugin and they discount....so your licences are worthless to us.

Izotope: sorry you bought from JRR with a 'group code' , there is an admin fee if you want to stay with us.

NI: sorry, you bought from TimeAndSpace  and they don't exist, so you need to pay extra.

Toontrack: ohhh, you bought from BestService with their loyalty program and so you need to pay us the extra $$$

etc.

Everybody deserves to get paid for their work, including ex-IBM developers, but customers are also entitled to get what they paid for.  

The $15 'admin fee' is just an extra slap in the face and shows the true reason for the decision - they just want more money $$$ - in some sense this is worse than what Waves attempted.

Deskew should be ashamed of themselves - but I feel they are probably not

1 hour ago, dumbquestions said:

Still there for me (menu > your account > manage your licenses)

thanks - wasn't logged in

50 minutes ago, Grem said:

But expect people who bought from PA to be a little miffed.

I certainly am - especially now that Deskew trying to 'spin' it as they are doing us a favour.....and still adding on mystery admin fees too - and all the time cllaiming to know nothing about how PA actually does business.

FWIW it hasn't been updated for over a year.

1 hour ago, David Jameson said:

Obviously OUR mistake and we recognize and accept that.

your mistake and yet your customers have to pay for it - classy move - and nice bit of 'double dipping'.  "buy once - pay twice"

You say: "Own The Stage"  - well it turns out we don't even own our software

6 hours ago, Infinitum said:

We didn't know anything about the vouchers

what ?  I call bullsh1t on that

^^^  from 3 years ago

I've gotta say that this is pretty poor behaviour from Deskew (IMO)

I paid for my licence fair and square - and I used PA voucher codes that I 'earned' by being a regular customer of PA.  It's not MY fault that Deskew signed a bad deal with PA.

Additionally now they are asking me to buy a FULL PRICE licence and then to put a ticket in to get a partial refund......possibly ?

also: An admin fee ! WTF !? where's the 'admin' and how much time does that take.

The 'compelling' reasons are not reasons to pay TWICE !    I'm sure the developers are great people but this move totally stinks - hey, some of us are nice people too, we just don't like being milked.

FWIW can't see the downloads on the PA website anymore - are we outta luck if we need to reinstall ?

1 minute ago, cclarry said:

The SDA shows when Updates are available right at the top.  A "tab" appears that says "Updates" when
they become available

interesting - it's never done that on mine.  My SDA seems to have zero knowledge of what is installed.  The library manager knows and has a list, including version numbers...but it seems to be keeping that secret from my SDA

4 minutes ago, cclarry said:

From the SDA

nothing here 

SDA has got to be one of the worst/most useless downloaders of any of the big developers.

We still have:

Steinberg Download Assistant

Steinberg Activation Manager

Elicencer manager

Steinberg Library Assistant

none of which actually seem to talk to each other - and NO way to see if any updates are available.

can't seem to find any version numbers in the SDA - impossible to know

@cclarry where did you get the update notification from ?

thanks Larry - any ideas which ones are updated?  my SDA never seems to know and I just update manually

just flagging that Hornet have something similar for a tenth the price.

40 minutes ago, MarcL said:

Exactly! I have a similar issue with a Nugen Audio plugin. The time when I had bought it (and their plugins are not cheap!), it had iLok protection. No problem for me, I have dongles on my 2 major machines! But now they changed their authorization to challange/response. Like this I cannot update my plugin anymore!

I'm not sure what Nugen plugin you are referring to ? Some of the 'cheaper' plugs are serial but the expensive ones are still  ilok. I don't have any of their plugins that I'm not able to update.

Nugen support are pretty responsive and I'm sure they will sort you out if you drop them an email.

1 hour ago, BTP said:

Has anyone been able to install this? It seems like the samples are missing.

(The app also still reinstalls itself every time I run it and all the LABS libraries still need to be repaired after the first install.)

working fine here on windows ?

It did need the "install twice" dance that ALL the labs need but all the patches seem to play

it seems to me that this is for the new UF1 controller - which includes it for free.

Can't see anyone buying this separately ?  It's only being offered for sale so satisfy the anti-subscription type backlash they got when they released some plugins that were locked to the subscription or hardware.

Plus if you want to sell the UF1 the SSL Meter licences doesn't transfer so those people will need to buy !

FWIW - UF1 > Cakewalk not supported.

18 hours ago, smde said:

you seems to be spot on 😁

 

https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/products/k14_bundle.html

 

 

 

Can anybody see any warning on the NI website that your "ANY plugin for $29.99" isn't actually true ?

Seems a bit of a "bait and switch" to me ?

2 hours ago, MarcL said:

Strange, if I try to download directly from the legacy products, it show 9.12.2 as the last version!

they are just slow to update the page - took a couple of days when they did the update to RX9. 

The update is there though........if you change 9.12.2 in the file name in the link to the direct download page to 9.13.0, you can download the update directly.

10 minutes ago, El Diablo said:

do you see Ozone 10 in Native Access or did you need to register it with Izotope?  Cause I have Izotope Portal too.

Edit: ^^ last question

Ozone appears in Native Access and not in your Izotope account

thanks - there was a new Super 8 serial deposited in my NI account

11 hours ago, dubdisciple said:

 Think RX9 is popular with users of Davinci Resolve since it still has standalone version that can be setup to roundtrip in resolve

RX10 still comes with a standalone version that can be used in Resolve - are you confusing it with Ozone 9 ? 

Ozone 10 doesn't have a standalone.

FWIW I spoke to Izotope and they said:

    
Compatibility Updates & Improvements

Added macOS Ventura support.
Added AAX Apple silicon native support.
Added Apple silicon native support to RX 9 installers. Rosetta is no longer required to install RX 9 on an Apple silicon Mac.

Bug Fixes

Fixed issue in UAD LUNA where all instances of an RX 9 plug-in would become unresponsive to automation upon interacting with a control after adjusting or trimming an RX 9 automation envelope.

I'm still confused why they did this for 'legacy' software.

11 minutes ago, El Diablo said:

What's happening here? Is this legit or a joke?

a joke ?

it's an update to RX9 as @cclarry mentioned.

Latest RX 10 update was in March IIRC.

2 hours ago, cclarry said:

but I'm sure that they have many Pro's that still use 9 so are keeping it current (my guess)

Most of the plugins in RX10 are exactly the same as RX9, my guess would be that it was an easy win to update these plugins to the current RX10 version (10.4.0) and call them 9.4.0  ?

no info or release notes on the Izotope website though.

odd that they would update RX9 ?

I think they normally release around 2pm Sweden time  (EZbass/EZD3 for example)

EDIT - on their FB page they say

Quote

The product will be available earliest at 14:00 CET (Europe) / 7:00 PM Central Time (US) on release day.

although I think they got the CET to US time conversion a bit wrong