75 workflow improvements to make Cakewalk more intuitive (+ appearance, implementation, etc.)

[Will.]

15 hours ago, Olaf said:

You sound about right on one thing, though. You do sound like a Reason user.  Cause that's pretty much the tone that I'd started to be allergic to, on Reason forums.

I'm not a reason user. It was taught to me in music school. I never even used it in my own projects so don't I'm one, be allergic to that! You see assumptions in thinking you know something, well it keeps your head buried in the sand. Get a manual of Cakewalk study it and come back to comment. If you can't follow instructions well, good luck in learning anything to it's core. All you do is insulting who's been trying to help you, newbie.

[chuckebaby]

Lets play nice folks. No need in insulting each other.

[Olaf]

Added two more suggestions:

• "Duplicate Track" option in the Console View, in the right click menu, same as in the Track View.
• Mouse Scroll wheel moves slider on both scroll bars (vertical and horizontal scrolling), on placing cursor over them - in all Workspaces.

Edited February 2, 2020 by Olaf

[chuckebaby]

Im going to say this one last time, please be mindful of your comments. I locked this thread but have decided to reopen it as long as everyone can play nice and not add any insults toward one another.

Users Comment has been deleted to avoid conflict.

[Jim Fogle]

On 1/22/2020 at 10:03 AM, Olaf said:

yeap, the thing is that, if you agree with them, too, they become our requests, and the more, the merrier, as they say. ?

In one respect it is nice placing all your suggestions in one post.  It illustrates your desire for change and indicates you have given the post considerable consideration.  The issue is I (using the generic I in this case) may not agree with all 75 suggestions.  Or I may want to discuss or clarify some of them.  Placing all of your suggestions in one post makes it more difficult for me to agree or disagree with each suggestion.

My personal opinion is I would rather see one or two ideas presented for consideration in each thread so each suggestion can be debated and rise or fall on it's own merit.  However, everyone has their own method of doing things and my personal preference does not make that preference the best way because there is no best way in most cases.

[Olaf]

17 hours ago, Jim Fogle said:

In one respect it is nice placing all your suggestions in one post.  It illustrates your desire for change and indicates you have given the post considerable consideration.  The issue is I (using the generic I in this case) may not agree with all 75 suggestions. Or I may want to discuss or clarify some of them.

Hi, Jim!

I understand what you're saying, but think about posting - at this point - 76 different posts, and then talking separately on all 76 of them. It would mean flooding the forum, which I wanted to avoid, one, and then, generate endless discussions about all of them - cause you know how those can get. Plus, I thought about having a centralized document for changes.

My initial idea was not to go into debate for each, but put them out there, on a list, so that people can vote in the way of "hm, I would to see this, that, and that, this and the other may be helpful, and don't want this, that, and that", so that we can get a notion of those that will be the most requested, to bring them forward to the attention of Bandlab. A sort of simple voting. That doesn't mean we can't talk about them or have alternative suggestions - if there's better ideas on how to simplify some operations, why not - I mean, that's the idea.

 

So feel free to ask. It'd be nice to talk about the actual suggestions, instead of judgments over intentions, for a change.

 

17 hours ago, Jim Fogle said:

Placing all of your suggestions in one post makes it more difficult for me to agree or disagree with each suggestion.

You've actually given me an idea. I'm noing to number them, instead of the bullets, so that you, or anyone, can easily address 1, 5, 25, etc. Would that help?

[Jim Fogle]

Olaf,

I agree a discussion about intent is a little off topic.  I apologize for that even though I'm actually enjoying having a civil discussion.  Civil discussions seem to have lost favor as a way to exchange different points of view.

You last post gave me an idea.  When you create a new topic there are two tabs across the top, one for discussions and one for polls.  How about creating a poll for each of the 76 suggestions?

[Olaf]

9 hours ago, Jim Fogle said:

Civil discussions seem to have lost favor as a way to exchange different points of view.

You're right about that, and every time there's a disagreement - or even misunderstanding - the first reflex is to put somebody down or insult, which effectively makes any longer term relationship impossible, since disagreement between any two people is, at some point, inevitable.

9 hours ago, Jim Fogle said:

How about creating a poll for each of the 76 suggestions?

I think it's a good idea, and I'll try it. Thanks for the suggestion ??.

[Jim Fogle]

@Olaf,

I don't think I've seen a post where multiple feedback suggestions are presented in a poll so your post will be a first for this forum.

I'm looking forward to seeing it.

[Olaf]

@Jim Fogle

I think I'll break it down in smaller chunks, of 10 or so, so people don't get discouraged by it being too long. Need to find the time to choose/start with the things that will be the biggest gain in the short run. Any preferences?

[Jim Fogle]

@Olaf, No preferences but thank you for asking.

[Olaf]

@Jim Fogle

No problem. I'll give you a sign when I've posted the first one.

[chuckebaby]

10 hours ago, Olaf said:

@Jim Fogle

I think I'll break it down in smaller chunks, of 10 or so, so people don't get discouraged by it being too long. Need to find the time to choose/start with the things that will be the biggest gain in the short run. Any preferences?

I think that's a great idea.

You have put a lot of effort in to this list, i would love to see the points you made in a more focused section.

There was another user who put up a list of 50+ ideas once and was meet with a similar point of view.

I love hearing others ideas, so keep up the good work.

[Olaf]

@Jim Fogle@chuckebaby

Hey guys!

I've put up the first questions for the polls, if you want to vote on them. You can find them here:

and

Everyone else is obviously also welcome to vote.

[Olaf]

Guys, I've just come up with some new ideas (in addition to the 75) ?.

???

Don't kill me just yet, you can check them out here first.

[Olaf]

Three of the old ones, listed separately.

[Jim Fogle]

@Olaf, Thanks for using the poll feature so forum members can vote their preference of choice for each feature.   I've voted!

[Olaf]

@Jim Fogle

Hey, Jim,

I've seen that you've proposed the polls to allow comments, to discuss any suggestions in them. Why not discuss them here? That's why I posted this.

[Peter Hintze]

some of your requests are good. thank you. I hope they find their way into the CbB development backlog.. 

[Olaf]

3 hours ago, Peter Hintze said:

some of your requests are good. thank you. I hope they find their way into the CbB development backlog.. 

Thanks, I was hoping so, but I've given up. Cakewalk can't even come to terms with the notion that CW crashing 10 times a day in relation to all kinds of plugins is not the plugins' fault, but plain CW's. They're still waiting for all plugins to become perfect. I would have added a lot more to this list, but it doesn't seem to be of any avail.

I've started recording and editing audio, it's a nightmare. There's about 4-5 things that don't make sense only in relation to how comping/recording lanes work - wave clips being split automatically and uselessly needing to be re-merged, useless zooming in and out because of that, and selecting the small split slices doesn't have the resolution, then information being lost on that repeated useless re-merge, because reuniting a split clip is not rejoining, but bouncing, which is destructive - so on, so forth. Automatically superposing different takes in the overall track clip, it's just plain stupid. I don't know who thought all that out, but it's clearly not thought through at all. To be honest, I'm waiting for Luna to come out on Windows, and trying to make do until then.