Plugins start minmized

[lmu2002]

Could find a topic on this. But yes, on track view, when I click on a plugin to open it starts minimized at the bottom. And I need to do a manual resize/drag to see the plugin window, the maximize button is grayed out which doesn't help. 

[lmu2002]

In case I wasn't making a clear point here's a pic:

 

Edited Wednesday at 11:14 AM by lmu2002

[Wayne Riggall]

Hi. I think I may be having the same problem but I interpreted it as the plug-in interface just not opening. I will look for a minimized window at the bottom. Presuming that you could maximize this?

[Mark Morgon-Shaw]

Yes same here and others have also mentioned the same issue. I think I reported this well over a year ago when I first started using Cakewalk Sonar - it happens regularly but not all the time. I can't figure out why.  I thought maybe it's was me that had a some sort of settings issue but since the Sonar Free Tier I've seen more folks report the same issue.  

I don't think the plugins are minimized, I think they are just positioned off screen instead of re-opening in their previous position.

Maybe @msmcleod or @Noel Borthwick can shed some light on this, it's a real PITA  

[Wayne Riggall]

Have you found a fix or workaround at all?

[Mark Morgon-Shaw]

7 minutes ago, Wayne Riggall said:

Have you found a fix or workaround at all?

Yeah - I kept using CbB  😆

[Mark Morgon-Shaw]

I mentioned it again recently 

[Sidney Earl Goodroe]

This could be a Windows problem because I have the same thing happening in the standalone versions of IK Multimedia programs!! It's been happening for a while after an update occurred. 

Speaking of which, the last few months, my computers have slowed to a crawl on booting up. Started right after a Windows update. Makes me nervous as a Windows 10 user.

[User 905133]

I know I have seen plug-in windows being visible only by the title bar at the lower left area of the work area. From some observations I made:

(1) Under some conditions--after a plugin was either (a) minimized or (b) minimized and then Xed to close, the plugin window's title bar was available in the lower left corner.

(2) However, if I X to close when a plug-in has not been minimized I do not am not stuck with only the title bar showing in the lower left.

Do others observe the same difference or is it unique to my PC?

Note: I just duplicated this several times on my main audio PC using plugins in the CV and TV FX Bins, but when I tried on a second (slightly older) PC, I didn't get the title-bar-only plugin windows in the lower left corner issue.  (Could be related to Workspaces.)

Edited Saturday at 12:37 PM by User 905133
Updated with new details from a second PC

[Noel Borthwick]

Its best that you record a video of this behavior since your description won’t necessarily catch the details.

[User 905133]

3 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Its best that you record a video of this behavior since your description won’t necessarily catch the details.

Good suggestion. 

[Mark Morgon-Shaw]

3 hours ago, Sidney Earl Goodroe said:

This could be a Windows problem because I have the same thing happening in the standalone versions of IK Multimedia programs!! It's been happening for a while after an update occurred. 

It doesn't happen with CbB though

[Mark Morgon-Shaw]

3 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Its best that you record a video of this behavior since your description won’t necessarily catch the details.

Too big to post on forum but try this

https://www.dropbox.com/t/4Y8NZqPdm7VaglQ6

It was fine when I first opened the project, then I noticed it happened again so I recorded the video. Once I dragged a plugin to another part of the screen all the subsequent plugin windows opened in the right place. 

However after further working on the track it reverted back to them being down the bottom with only the title bar visible

[Noel Borthwick]

Very odd. Let's break it down. 
You start sonar and open the project.
At this point do opening plugin windows open at last saved position?

At what point do you start seeing the problem?
When you have the problem moving the plugin window makes it start working again.

In Sonar (or any prior version) there is a single stored last plugin view location. The location is NOT per plugin its for the last saved plugin view position. This position is saved in the registry so it should persist when you start sonar the next time.
IOW if you have 10 plugin windows open at one time and close them all one by one, the next time you open a plugin window it will go to the last closed view position.

The fact that its going to the bottom of the screen for you seems to indicate that the last plugin was somehow offscreen or the saved position is wrong.
I can't seem to reproduce this behavior. Are you using a multimon setup with plugins on different screens? Did you unplug a monitor that a plugin was on?
Possibly something blocking registry access?
I assume you have recycle plugin windows enabled...

See if you can come across a pattern where it gets the window at the wrong location.
Oh and BTW the plugins are not minimized in your video. They are positioned at the bottom of the screen, since when you drag it you can see the full window appear.

[Mark Morgon-Shaw]

1 hour ago, Noel Borthwick said:

You start sonar and open the project.

Yes

1 hour ago, Noel Borthwick said:

At this point do opening plugin windows open at last saved position?

They do - I usually have them on my 3rd monitor

1 hour ago, Noel Borthwick said:

At what point do you start seeing the problem?

Well that's the tricky part - I haven't figured out what action or set of actions causes it. All I can say is I'll be working away and at some point it happens. I've tried various functions to see if any common action triggers it but I have yet to be able to force it to happen deliberately.  Now I am more aware maybe I can spot it more easily next time it does. 

1 hour ago, Noel Borthwick said:

When you have the problem moving the plugin window makes it start working again.

Correct although it seems as though the plugins all now use the same new location , rather than any they may have had previously

1 hour ago, Noel Borthwick said:

In Sonar (or any prior version) there is a single stored last plugin view location. The location is NOT per plugin its for the last saved plugin view position. This position is saved in the registry so it should persist when you start sonar the next time.

Yes it always seems to work okay when Sonar is first started

1 hour ago, Noel Borthwick said:

The fact that its going to the bottom of the screen for you seems to indicate that the last plugin was somehow offscreen or the saved position is wrong.

AFAIK none of the plugins were ever offscreen when it happens. One minute they're opening normally, the next they're opening offscreen

1 hour ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Are you using a multimon setup with plugins on different screens?

Yes 3 screens,  1920 x  1080 native resolution  - 100% scaling

1 hour ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Did you unplug a monitor that a plugin was on?

No - Although there may be times when I leave the DAW open and have to leave the room for a while so I may turn all the monitors off to save wasting electricity

1 hour ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Possibly something blocking registry access?

I wouldn't have thought so - not sure how to check

1 hour ago, Noel Borthwick said:

I assume you have recycle plugin windows enabled...

Yes

1 hour ago, Noel Borthwick said:

See if you can come across a pattern where it gets the window at the wrong location.

I will try, kinda difficult when I can't make it do it on purpose. 

1 hour ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Oh and BTW the plugins are not minimized in your video. They are positioned at the bottom of the screen, since when you drag it you can see the full window appear.

I know. It was the OP that said that not me. 

[Bristol_Jonesey]

29 minutes ago, Mark Morgon-Shaw said:

No - Although there may be times when I leave the DAW open and have to leave the room for a while so I may turn all the monitors off to save wasting electricity

That could be a red flag.

[Mark Morgon-Shaw]

34 minutes ago, Bristol_Jonesey said:

That could be a red flag.

Just tried it , made no difference. 

 

[Noel Borthwick]

7 hours ago, Mark Morgon-Shaw said:

Yes 3 screens,  1920 x  1080 native resolution  - 100% scaling

can you post a screenshot of your monitor layout from  display properties? I wonder if its somehow related to a 3 monitor config.
Is one monitor lower than the other two?

The window is always sized correctly, just below the screen right?

 

 

[Max Arwood]

I had this happen too. I reported it. After I finally found the plugins under the bottom of the track view, I was relieved. I was going to look into it again the next day, but after I moved a couple of plugins where I wanted them to be, they started working correctly. It was the 1st time I opened a song after an update. It never happened again. Sorry I don’t have more info. 
edit - I think I accidentally found the pluggins by pressing F for full screen. 

Edited Sunday at 05:41 AM by Max Arwood
Added

[Max Arwood]

I was kinda freeking out  I kept clicking on plugins and iI did not see the ui on any of them. I wish I would have gotten a screen shot before pressing F. This seen shot is after pressing F, I think, 2 times. Look closely at the bottom of the screen. A work around for me was press F for full screen 2x, drag a couple of plugins where you want them, close Sonar and reopen the song. I don't use the multi-dock. It could be something to do with that. There might be more info in my bug report.