David Baay Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 17 minutes ago, Terry Kelley said: Side by side at 1920 I can't say it's any sharper but I suspect high resolutions will look better. If anyone is using >1920 let us know. Much sharper overall for me on both my 1920x1200 desktop monitors at 100% and my 3072x1920 laptop scaled to 160%. Easiest way to see it is to have them both full-screen and Alt+Tab back and forth. I'd like to see some fonts enlarged in Sonar to better match CbB (e.g. Transport and Mix module numbers and labels), but they are definitely less fuzzy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Sasor Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, pwal³ said: so it says: "Will installing Cakewalk Sonar overwrite Cakewalk by BandLab? No, the two applications install to different locations on your file system, so they can coexist on your computer." does this mean the "shared utilities" folder hive is no longer shared, or does it still use that one location? Cakewalk Sonar still uses Shared Utilities. Sonar installs alongside Cakewalk by BandLab the same way CbB installs alongside SONAR Platinum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Sasor Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 minute ago, pwal³ said: so installing an older version could still break the latest version? maybe that faq could be updated for the new product, it might cause some hoo-har moving forward It would be highly unlikely. That's been thoroughly tested and we have not had any reports through the ongoing beta process about any conflicts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Sica Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I am very confused by this topic. Has the new Sonar already been released or just some that are in the BETA version? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Milton Sica said: very confused Go to cakewalk.com cursor down to the bottom of the page, under the heading Sonar you’ll find “download”. evidently this is still a beta version. In order to save any work in Sonar you have to subscribe to BandLab’s “Backstage Pass”. HTH, t Edited March 5 by DeeringAmps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, pwal³ said: so installing an older version could still break the latest version? Newer components of Shared Utilities have always been fully backward-compatible with earlier releases. And going the other way, older CW installers will not overwrite a newer file so there shouldn't ever be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David A Ludwig Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I signed up for the 3 day trial. After that I have to buy a membership in order to use the beta and be able to save? Will I need to be a member at $150+ to buy the release product? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 (edited) They haven’t given us specific pricing but so far you have monthly and yearly for this beta release. The final pricing is unknown but I highly doubt it will be less than this. I’m hoping they will split out Sonar and make it available without the Bandlab stuff. For me Bandlab isn’t a selling point. If I want to get exposure, I’ll go out on the road. Edited March 5 by Terry Kelley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vere Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) I’m not sure we call this a Beta. I think that might be over. I think you call this a trial evaluation. They will probably now want more widespread use to really put it to the test . The more people using it the more issues will be found. 3 days isn’t much unless you do a none stop session. I put it aside for now until later when I can try a project from start to finish. That’s how I do it. I’m not expecting anything exciting to happen. There’s still no Talent button! Edited March 6 by John Vere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Sica Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Installed. And I remain confused about some things. I found the installation process for this version without any improvements in installation time. The loading time of a project in the previous version I also found to be very slow. When trying to activate me, my BANDLAB username was not accepted. The new interface I found to be very similar to the REAPER that I have been using. I didn't notice access to visual improvements, apart from dark mode. I don't know if I'm right, but it seems like just a "makeup" over the latest free version. It's just an impression. The much talked about improvement in interaction with screens was not taken to the FX Chairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted March 5 Author Share Posted March 5 (edited) There are some alternate themes in Preferences>Colors. Edited March 7 by Terry Kelley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Sica Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 What is the activation procedure? I double click on the box that requests it, sends it to the website and there the procedure is, as far as I can see, hidden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjoens Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 2 hours ago, David Baay said: older CW installers will not overwrite a newer file so there shouldn't ever be an issue. This is exactly what happened to me when I ran an X3 update after installing CbB. It overwrote the ProChannel EQ so that when opening CbB I was told it found an earlier version and may be missing some features... sure enough it was overwritten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) @Milton Sica at cakewalk.com there are links to CakewalkSonar and then a link to Backstage Pass. There you can select a 3 day "free" membership that will activate Sonar for 3 days (see image below). This is what I see when I launch Sonar: HTH, t Edited March 5 by DeeringAmps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milton Sica Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 I didn't find anything like that and I'm giving up trying here. I'm going to wait for the commercial version to be released and then think about whether I'm going to remigrate, as I'm doing well in REAPER. Thanks.What is the activation procedure? I double click on the box that requests it, sends it to the website and there the procedure is, as far as I can see, hidden. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjoens Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 8 hours ago, David Baay said: 13 hours ago, sjoens said: > Control Bar no longer slides to navigate hidden modules. It now collapses modules if needed to crowd everyone into the visible frame - not really a fan of this. Check the lock options in the context menu for the Control Bar if either Lock and Justify or Lock and Center are selected, the scroll controls will go away. Lock Order or no locking will give you the controls. Thanks. Selecting Resize All Modules > Large did it. The default is Auto, so the scroll arrows never showed. 8 hours ago, David Baay said: 13 hours ago, sjoens said: > Currently no drag & drop to Track View... > Quick Groups in Track View still broken - going on 4 yrs now. > Something goofy with Console FX Assignable Controls top box. These need more detail. Original post edited for needed detail. Click top right arrow in my quote box to go there. Edited March 6 by sjoens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWillyDS12 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 16 hours ago, David Baay said: You just need to switch to the large transport. I only use the small one and do all navigation with shortcuts. Thanks David, that took care of the transport issues... 12 hours ago, sjoens said: Additional color themes will be added in the future. Try changing some or all of the "colors". I changed all of them to green and nothing happened. > Colors are DOA but hopefully a work in progress. - WARNING: There's no default preset to revert back to if you do change them. They now have a good opportunity to return all the COLORS we had with Sonar 8 and prior. Just like earlier versions, click the box next to Show strip colors in the COLORS > Track Strips section. > Control Bar no longer slides to navigate hidden modules. It now collapses modules if needed to crowd everyone into the visible frame - not really a fan of this. Right-click & select Resize All Modules > Large to invoke arrows. > Currently no drag & drop to Track View... <- Yesterday I could not do this. Today it works. > Inspector CBP dropdown menu now works w/o cutting off entries in large lists like Yamaha XG. All menus are updated. - NICE! > Quick Groups in Track View still broken - When using Inspector to change Inputs & Outputs. Occasionally only some of the selected tracks change. QG works when changing within Track View itself. > Something goofy with Console FX Assignable Controls top box. Edited for Clarity and anyone else who's confused. Thanks, that took care of the Track Strip colors... 7 hours ago, David Baay said: I'd like to see some fonts enlarged in Sonar to better match CbB (e.g. Transport and Mix module numbers and labels), but they are definitely less fuzzy. Yep, this... The font in the control bar is a bit to small for me... So, even after a restart I'm still getting "The above Audio\Midi device has been disconnected from your system" box after relaunching Sonar after closing a previous project... If I start Sonar and do not open a project and then close it, upon relaunch I don't get the Audio device disconnected... Anyone else with a MOTU interface having this problem? I do not have this issue with CbB... After every project I always complete close CbB before opening another one... My Motif VST3 does not play nice and will crash Cakewalk every time if I open two consecutive projects that it is in without completely closing Cakewalk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Baay Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 13 hours ago, sjoens said: When using Inspector to change Inputs & Outputs. Occasionally only some of the selected tracks change. Okay, yes, I'm aware of that specific issue with Quick Grouping I/O assignments via the Inspector. I thought you meant something more general in the Track View itself. 13 hours ago, sjoens said: > Something goofy with Console FX Assignable Controls top box. Yes, I see that on both my unscaled desktop displays and scaled laptop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resonant Serpent Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 One thing I noticed is that Sonar seems to hijack the audio driver no matter the setting. I can't use Discord while running Sonar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz Hupfer Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 22 hours ago, sjoens said: Curious to see that, as it's always worked for me. HI:) Could you please confirm that when you drag the Transform Box (modify the CCs) to left or right, the selection of the CCs gets lost. I have to first unselect Transform, select the wanted CCs, select Transform again then can modify the CCs in the Box again. (Video down below, you can see that it does strange things! The Result is just seen one time) Doesn't happen with Modifying Up/Down. Bassman. Edited March 6 by Heinz Hupfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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