Terry Kelley Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 I want a product that once I pay money for it, if I never contact the company again, the software will still work. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garybrun Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Just now, Terry Kelley said: I want a product that once I pay money for it, if I never contact the company again, the software will still work. But Terry times change... technology changes. As things develop your purchased products wont work. Example VST2 is soon obsolete. We could say the same for O.S. too? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) I said want. And it's not impossible but certainly unlikely. And if I disconnect from the internet Windows will continue to work even if it never connects again. The fact that companies do it now doesn't mean it's desirable. Get ready, your heated seats, remote start and entertainment system in your car will be subscription. Want. Edited June 7, 2023 by Terry Kelley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garybrun Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Terry Kelley said: I said want. And it's not impossible but certainly unlikely. Wanting is another thing ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 There are other options if we don't like the final offer. If it's reasonable, I'm in even if I don't get exactly what I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 "But Terry times change... technology changes. As things develop your purchased products wont work" Not true. At least for Windows, which has awesome backward compatibility. I still use a couple of smaller pieces of software developed ~20 years ago on Win11, where companies who developed them are loooong gone. My main concern is of ability to open older projects if needed, when the software license is purchased. Considering I have proper machine with proper hardware / OS that supported that version. I am with Terry on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icu81b4 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 As a loooooong time Cakewalk/Sonar user, I'm glad of the technical direction this looks to be heading in, However I too wouldn't be happy with a subscription model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcL Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 25 minutes ago, garybrun said: Example VST2 is soon obsolete. Obsolete? There are not many DAWs that do not support VST2 anymore! On the contrary there are many that still support 32-bit! Also there are still a couple of plugin providers that are not yet on VST3! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno de Souza Lino Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 26 minutes ago, Lord Tim said: So to be clear, you don't like the possible direction going forward There's no possible direction going forwards because so far Bandlab doesn't seem to give a straight answer when asked about pricing. As a few people have said, this opens a world of "what if" and its criticism is well deserved every time it happens. 30 minutes ago, Lord Tim said: you don't find anything in Cakewalk to be a killer feature Name five features present in the free version of Cakewalk that would make it good seller and differentiate it from any other paid DAW in the current market. While I do find certain aspects of Cakewalk to be things which no DAW have implemented the way it does to be considered good features, I'm talking about features that you'd be hard pressed to find replacements for. As an example, one of the killer features of REAPER is how customizable and flexible it is and you'd be hard pressed to find another DAW which can do what it does the way it does it. 37 minutes ago, Lord Tim said: your last group of posts have been nothing but critical of the software and forum in some way Why should I be happy about the prospect of a tool I chose to use being taken from me by a potential subscription model or fair price offering which only fits a small demographic from a specific country which is not mine? 40 minutes ago, Lord Tim said: why are you still here? Because if everything was fine and swell with Cakewalk, you wouldn't hear from me otherwise. 41 minutes ago, Lord Tim said: I would have moved onto a "better" DAW years ago. Likewise, but atm Cakewalk is this better DAW, so I can't do much about it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Tubbs Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Come on people, bandlab gave us 5 years of free updates on a free DAW. That should earn some brownie points after the Gibson fiasco. Before that Cakewalk treated customer pretty good, even with having to pay. it will be interesting to see how having to pay will affect the customer base. We already have a lot of squealing and the new old Sonar company has already addressed some of this. Personally, I could give a monkey’s fornication about customizing the colors or transcription. Bug fixes and features are worth paying for - to me. You might have other ideas but bandlab has to take it all into consideration. Sonar’s Achilles heel for mass adaption is no Mac version. Most music producers are on Mac, so that Gibson had to include 2 light DAWs with their hardware. But for the home producer Windows was great since many already had the computer and PCs are still cheaper. Hopefully they’ll get something going with the Apple world, even if it isn’t Sonar. what I’m looking for is Sonar as a professional DAW and hopefully refurbished synths & Effects. I’d love me a slick Rapture Pro redux and all my old Cake effects bundled and refurbished. Many of those are superb. they just need to bring in a good reverb. As far as company’s integrity, at the beginning of digital age I got a presonus fire station, which was on FireWire but with Yamahas mlan protocol. An update bricked it. Yamaha sent me an i88 to try but couldn’t run the new software on my old computer. Do you think they paid for my presonus? overall, I think Cakewalk has been about upfront about what is going on. Or at least as much as possible. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Verstraten Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Z3ta+ 3 as included Synth? One can always dream..... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Tubbs Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Zeta 2 is pretty good but sure, a new zeta would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said: atm Cakewalk is this better DAW And that answers all your concerns and questions concerning "value", doesn't it? t 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno de Souza Lino Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, DeeringAmps said: And that answers all your concerns and questions concerning "value", doesn't it? t They do, but I'm more interested in answers about "price" atm. I don't think I can buy a Cakewalk license with values which aren't of the "monetary" kind. Edited June 7, 2023 by Bruno de Souza Lino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglandBross Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) but ... a little survey ? are you agree with that news ? ... are you looking for a new DAW ... just to understand the mood ? Edited June 7, 2023 by EnglandBross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grebz Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Oh come one! Stop asking about the price, people! Yes, it's important to know, but we'll get to know when they announce it. In the meantime, just be patient. We'll know. What's the hurry? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeringAmps Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Alan Tubbs said: bandlab gave us 5 years of free updates on a free DAW Exactly! A quick search of QuickBooks tells me I have approximately $2356 invested starting at Cakewalk Pro 3.0. $107.51 for the "Lifetime" updates. (odd number, but that's what QB shows.) Using CbB for FREE for 5 years has certainly "paid" that debt (that was Henry's, not Meng's responsibility) IF you plan to NEVER pay for SONAR as you were f**d by Henry, well we "get it", but please go and "troll" elsewhere! That is all... t 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno de Souza Lino Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, DeeringAmps said: Exactly! A quick search of QuickBooks tells me I have approximately $2356 invested starting at Cakewalk Pro 3.0. $107.51 for the "Lifetime" updates. (odd number, but that's what QB shows.) Using CbB for FREE for 5 years has certainly "paid" that debt (that was Henry's, not Meng's responsibility) IF you plan to NEVER pay for SONAR as you were f**d by Henry, well we "get it", but please go and "troll" elsewhere! That is all... t 53 minutes ago, cclarry said: I think we need to relearn that people are entitled to their opinion. If you want to buy the new Sonar then buy it! If you don't then don't! You're welcome to express your reasons why! BUT... Don't expect others to feel the same way that you feel, or berate them because they don't feel the same way you do! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein R Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 something that just popped into my head is like in the past, going towards a pay model for Sonar now, does that mean they will have to bring back tech support to help people through their issues with Cakewalk??? Of course, if a company is going to offer Tech support, then that's going to be more money they will need to hire people to answer the phones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wibbles Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Oh bugger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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