Introducing Cakewalk Next and our new brand identity

[chris.r]

12 hours ago, Keni said:

Isn’t that what workspaces was created to do?

Or scratchpad... for doing drafts. I know SO has this but didn't look closely, possibly some other DAWs have it too.

Edited June 11, 2023 by chris.r

[Alan Tubbs]

I always hated typing all caps for SONAR so Sonar is already ahead.

[scook]

20 minutes ago, Lord Tim said:

Ha! Yeah, from how I understand it, the new product line is written in mixed case: Cakewalk Sonar, Cakewalk Next.

Whereas the old pre-Bandlab stuff was suggested to be written as all caps: SONAR Platinum (a product from the Cakewalk company.)

I'm sure people will write it how they write it, but this is a good way to get a bit of distinction between each thing in threads like this at least.

Why mess with text at all

is enough

[Larioso]

4 hours ago, Andres Medina said:

There is one that I know has some DAW that frankly don't know which one is:

The ability to create multiple independent "Flows" - Versions, built into the same file.

I mean, configure your VST's and try 4-5-6 different sketches with different tempos, Time Signatures, Arrangement Sections, etc.

Very handy for the composition process. Right now I have to save each Draft as an individual separate file (Project XX v1 - Project XX v2 - Project XX v2 with horns - Project XX v3 incomplete but promising   ...    

 

I think a good project manager could take care of that.

Cubase had something where you could rate with stars 1-5 among project files and such, to keep track on which state they are in. That's how I used it anyway, embryo, tracking, mixing, mastering

As I recall some ability to create own categories as well.

Embed all that stuff into one project I can sense loads of bugs ahead - different tempos in one file and such.

How many use MixRecall in Cakewalk/Sonar today?

- It has some of that altering with different versions.

- but not as deep to complete arrangements

 

I just sense bugs, and never used it. Stability is number one.....

Edited June 11, 2023 by Larioso

[Heinz Hupfer]

HI:) 

 

To overhaul the UI is very nice and definately needed, but much more important would be to overhaul the midi engine. So buggy! Everytime I work with Midi in CbB, 1 hour at the latest problems occur. Transform Tool doesn't work anymore, Tracks stop sending out midi, pasting CC Data or Midi  Data occur in other tracks than expected, and so on. 
The problems occur randomly, so they are not reproducable. No chance to give the bakers a project, cause after restarting everythings fine again until the next sit in.

Changed therefore to Reaper (for the moment), but would like to come back to my beloved Cakewalk! (More than 30 years, since Shareware 0.97) 

So let's see what the Update looks like:)

Bassman.

 

[willif]

Hi All I owned Sonar Platinum Lifetime prior to Bandlab taking over. Will there be any kind of discounts for previous owners? It was built up from my original Sonar 8 upgrading regularly.

Edited June 11, 2023 by willif

[Bapu]

27 minutes ago, willif said:

Hi All I owned Sonar Platinum Lifetime prior to Bandlab taking over. Will there be any kind of discounts for previous owners? It was built up from my original Sonar 8 upgrading regularly.

No one (publicly) knows the answer to that question and will not for some time (I'm imagining 2 - 3 months at least).

[lychee]

1 hour ago, willif said:

Hi All I owned Sonar Platinum Lifetime prior to Bandlab taking over. Will there be any kind of discounts for previous owners? It was built up from my original Sonar 8 upgrading regularly.

I also bought the Sonar lifetime subscription, but that was under the Gibson era.
I don't see why Bandlab should honor a contract I made with Gibson, we should have sued Gibson at the time.

I understand Bandlab wanting to do business with the DAW they bought very expensive in the hands of Gibson,
and besides I never understood Cakewalk's free policy, even if I took advantage of it.

Me, I'm willing to pay to thank the saviors of my DAW, but I'm also willing to change DAW if they goes into a subscription policy at all.
Sorry, I just skimmed the thread, I don't know if the question is decided?

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Larry Jones said:

I've been reading this thread for days and you're the first to note that "Sonar" is not the same as "SONAR." Thanks for saving me from having to write a pedantic post taking note of this (probably meaningless) distinction. Or is it meaningless? Perhaps we need clarification from @Meng...

If you take note of posts by Mr Borthwick and JJ and JS and the team, they seem to be using all caps when referring to the old, and only capital 'S' when referring to the new. I don't think it is meaningless, but how it is going forward.

[Guest]

Oh, and to keep the other convention up, I've been using Cakewalk/SONAR since Pro Audio 9, jumped ship late 2015, purchased the

(cough) Lifetime Updates (cough) even though I wasn't using SONAR Platinum anymore, I'm a sucker for a good deal, or perhaps just a sucker ?

Signed up for CbB but never bothered using it. I'll watch how this new jimbuggery rolls out, but highly unlikely I'll buy it, just here for the ruckus that usually ensues things like this at the Cakewalk Forums, and it hasn't disappointed thus far. ☺️

Think I'll join old Bapu and grab myself some popcorn and a lazy chair.?

Very interesting to see how it all rolls out.

[Jesse Jost]

8 hours ago, Larry Jones said:

I've been reading this thread for days and you're the first to note that "Sonar" is not the same as "SONAR." Thanks for saving me from having to write a pedantic post taking note of this (probably meaningless) distinction. Or is it meaningless? Perhaps we need clarification from @Meng...

Indeed, the distinction is intended! As others have noted in the context of the brand update, we're consistently not using all caps for our our product names, and that's intentional. "SONAR" was introduced as all caps due to trademark constraints. We now refer to our products as "Cakewalk xxx" which is easier to trademark and clearly identifies product and brand.  The use of normal casing also offers additional referential distinction between old and new. Hope that helps!

[User 905133]

56 minutes ago, Jesse Jost said:

. . . "SONAR" was introduced as all caps due to trademark constraints . . . .

Thanks for clarifying this. I was wondering why Twelve Tone Systems, Inc. chose all caps (not curious enough to ask, though).   

[InstrEd]

Cakewalk Next shall be called CN going forward but please don't confuse us with the Choo Choo Train ?

[Andres Medina]

11 hours ago, Keni said:

 Isn’t that what workspaces was created to do? 

 I don’t use them myself so I’m not very knowledgeable on their abilities and limitations .

Not quite... workspaces allows you to "filter out" modules, functions, etc to declutter the UI. 

This other function allows you to create different versions of your music inside the same file. Steinberg Dorico has it - but this is a notation software, not a production tool as CW -, and is really nice to work this way: each piece of music is independent from the others, you just "recall" it with one click.

Someone mentioned "scratchpad": not familiar with, but sounds like the feature I'd like to get from CW.

Edited June 11, 2023 by Andres Medina

[Andres Medina]

9 hours ago, Larioso said:

I think a good project manager could take care of that.

Cubase had something where you could rate with stars 1-5 among project files and such, to keep track on which state they are in. That's how I used it anyway, embryo, tracking, mixing, mastering

As I recall some ability to create own categories as well.

Embed all that stuff into one project I can sense loads of bugs ahead - different tempos in one file and such.

How many use MixRecall in Cakewalk/Sonar today?

- It has some of that altering with different versions.

- but not as deep to complete arrangements

 

I just sense bugs, and never used it. Stability is number one.....

Good point. I wish I remember which DAW had it... I heard Hans Zimmer talking about it in a Master Class. I think it was Cubase but you are familiar with it and seems to lack this one.

[jackson white]

48 minutes ago, Andres Medina said:

"scratchpad": not familiar with, but sounds like the feature

in Studio One?

[Mark Morgon-Shaw]

1 hour ago, Andres Medina said:

Someone mentioned "scratchpad": not familiar with, but sounds like the feature I'd like to get from CW.

 

[Mark Morgon-Shaw]

20 minutes ago, jackson white said:

in Studio One?

Yeah they are a good way of trying out new parts or arrangements without affecting the orginal track

[Keni]

1 hour ago, Andres Medina said:

Not quite... workspaces allows you to "filter out" modules, functions, etc to declutter the UI. 

This other function allows you to create different versions of your music inside the same file. Steinberg Dorico has it - but this is a notation software, not a production tool as CW -, and is really nice to work this way: each piece of music is independent from the others, you just "recall" it with one click.

Someone mentioned "scratchpad": not familiar with, but sounds like the feature I'd like to get from CW.

Hmmm... I seem to remember that one of the reasons I avoid workspaces is because of their ability to create totally changed mixes within a single project. I can't speak from experience because as I've never used them. I find it just as easy to simply save things under modified names within a single song/project. I'm sure having it already open (?) within an existing project would possibly be faster (change dependent), I've not been troubled by it. So I can see some people wanting it, but for me it's not important at all....

[Ez Tutor]

On 6/6/2023 at 3:02 PM, Noel Borthwick said:

There will be another final CbB release with bug fixes. We're wrapping up the details on that...

Hi everyone!

It's already stated that the BandLabs free Cakewalk version can stil be used by current users in the future.

But I also want to know if we'll be able to install this last version without needing to generate a free licente key like we need to do now?
Or wil the last version simply be the full stand-alone version?