azslow3 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 With Freezing it always was a bit fancy. One of related bugs seems like just visual, so "Freeze" button is grayed while freezing is possible. I can't reproduce with exact sequence, but I managed to get it in that state within 1 minute. Project saving/reopening as well as mute/unmute the track helps to get that Very old trick toggling mute brings that in consistent state.In general it is better have Rack visible when working with freeze, it sometimes shows different picture. When having problems, check routing. I mean which tracks are pointing to the synth and how its output is routed. I have never used MIDI-Output from synth (it was never working for me good), but I guess that also can influence some internal logic. A bit strange behavior with routing is reproducible: * one simple instrument track, muted. Freeze is available. Frozen. Silence is rendered. It was muted, so logical. Unfreeze. * add new midi track, set output to the same synth. Freeze the first (still muted) track. It is rendered using both MIDI tracks. This time not really logical... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light Grenade Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 58 minutes ago, azslow3 said: When having problems, check routing. I mean which tracks are pointing to the synth and how its output is routed. I have never used MIDI-Output from synth (it was never working for me good), but I guess that also can influence some internal logic. Yes, this was the cause of the biggest issue I've had with Cakewalk, which are somewhat similar to OP's. The inputs and outputs of some aux tracks were all over the place. For example, my 'bass master' aux input was set to a guitar delay send, instead of 'bass master'. It would make Cakewalk hard quit upon trying to playback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterWalker87 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 I've changed / cloned my original hard drive (a 256Gb M2 2280 Gen1) to a 1Tb Samsung SSD SV850. I thought I'd try it out before reinstalling Cakewalk, the system has improved in performance, but was still not in synch. I played about with the Audio settings (which I've done numerous times since November 2022), and its now back in synch. Seems to be down to the WASPAPI drivers, they were putting on about 30msecs of latency to any recording. I've reverted to the WDM/KS driver and its working fine, fully locked in synch. I had tried this before and it hadn't worked previously. Many thanks for the help and support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulsewalk Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 On 3/30/2023 at 2:04 AM, rfssongs said: Are you sure your hard drive is OK ? (again just a thought) It does not matter if I copy the project to another location on the harddrive or to another harddrive. No difference. And I'm quite sure my harddrive is ok though. Have not had any problems with it. No read or write errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulsewalk Posted April 4, 2023 Author Share Posted April 4, 2023 On 3/30/2023 at 4:11 AM, Starship Krupa said: Indeed they do, and it may be of value to them for you to wrap it up as a .ZIP or .CWB and get it to them. I think if you send it to BandLab/Cakewalk support and notify them that it's for the devs, that will close the loop. While they probably won't be able to figure out the initial cause, they might at least look at how it is now and get some idea of how to prevent it. They can also possibly slip you a build that has error reporting triggers in it that will write to a log file. Their call. I'll emphasize this because a few years back, I had one project that exhibited multiple issues with sluggishness, and submitted it to the devs. As it turned out, it exposed multiple issues with Cakewalk due to some uncommon settings I was using. So the devs wrenched on the code and it resulted in multiple improvements to things like drawing speed and input response. This was across the board, whether someone was using my settings or not. This kind of error reporting can help all users. I rather don't send out my complete projects. The best would be if they could release a tool that could run such a check on the users computer and save the info in a text file or whatever form it should be saved, which the user could send back to the DEV's. Also, this log file shall not contain any musical information etc., as there's sometimes quite rigid copyright issues and what not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 14 minutes ago, pulsewalk said: I rather don't send out my complete projects. The best would be if they could release a tool that could run such a check on the users computer and save the info in a text file or whatever form it should be saved, which the user could send back to the DEV's. Also, this log file shall not contain any musical information etc., as there's sometimes quite rigid copyright issues and what not. Oh dear Jesus.... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azslow3 Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 8 hours ago, pulsewalk said: I rather don't send out my complete projects. The best would be if they could release a tool that could run such a check on the users computer and save the info in a text file or whatever form it should be saved, which the user could send back to the DEV's. Also, this log file shall not contain any musical information etc., as there's sometimes quite rigid copyright issues and what not. You are asking a company to provide you a tool to locally debug a problem in the software of that company because you don't trust the company. Oh man... You've made my day. ? PS. I am a programmer/admin. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.r Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Just had a bizzare one where I made some simple edits in PRV, moving and copying notes around. After one Edit>Undo a step, Cakewalk suddenly started playing a different note instead of a note off, even though there was nothing else I could see in take lanes and event list. Saving and reloading project and bug was gone. There's no way to catch these bizzaries, it's just too evenescent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Jones Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 From my experience with older version data imported to new version software, the data is always corrupt, I'll explain. For many years I've always used Cakewalk products ever since it was called Cakewalk Pro Audio, and settled on CW Sonar X3 PE, then came CbB, So I installed it, so now I have CbB and Sonar X3, so, I tried to open a Sonar Project in CbB, and it opened fine, nut there was missing VST's that were only available in X3, so, I added the X3 VST location to CbB plugins search, which as I suspected, threw up error after error after error, mainly about modules missing and Lua script errors, so, I removed the location and did a new scan using CbB default locations which was successful, but importing X3 projects still showed missing VST's, but CbB still kept the parameters of those VST's, so what I did was to remove all the VST's inserted and re-insert different ones, and the project worked, so, the moral of this story, is "Don't use old data on new software, it WILL fail". If you're going to use new software IE CbB, then import the old data, and completely detach all VST's from the tracks that show as missing, and replace them with newer VST's, but I only use CbB if I absolutely need to, I have and will always use Sonar X3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, Philip Jones said: From my experience with older version data imported to new version software, the data is always corrupt, I'll explain. For many years I've always used Cakewalk products ever since it was called Cakewalk Pro Audio, and settled on CW Sonar X3 PE, then came CbB, So I installed it, so now I have CbB and Sonar X3, so, I tried to open a Sonar Project in CbB, and it opened fine, nut there was missing VST's that were only available in X3, so, I added the X3 VST location to CbB plugins search, which as I suspected, threw up error after error after error, mainly about modules missing and Lua script errors, so, I removed the location and did a new scan using CbB default locations which was successful, but importing X3 projects still showed missing VST's. It’s unfortunate that you had those issues, but it is unusual (obviously not unheard-of). The SONAR-to-Cakewalk migration is designed to go as seamlessly as any other SONAR update and usually does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) Were you using the 32 bit version of X3? VST’s that loaded in prior versions should definitely load as long as they have been scanned in CbB. Check your scan paths. Edited April 11, 2023 by Noel Borthwick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) On 4/10/2023 at 1:55 AM, Starship Krupa said: It’s unfortunate that you had those issues, but it is unusual (obviously not unheard-of). The SONAR-to-Cakewalk migration is designed to go as seamlessly as any other SONAR update and usually does. I have literally never heard of this issue. There is no “migration” unless you are loading really old projects from the 90’s with the wrk file format! Products from the X series all load natively since the project files are backwards compatible. You mention LUA scripts - that is not specific to Cakewalk perhaps some third party wrapper is throwing those errors. Edited April 11, 2023 by Noel Borthwick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Borthwick Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 On 4/5/2023 at 4:37 AM, pulsewalk said: I rather don't send out my complete projects. The best would be if they could release a tool that could run such a check on the users computer and save the info in a text file or whatever form it should be saved, which the user could send back to the DEV's. Also, this log file shall not contain any musical information etc., as there's sometimes quite rigid copyright issues and what not. @pulsewalk If you have a problem that is project specific as it certainly appears to be in your case, the only hope to resolve the issue is to send us the project file. In many cases we don’t even require the audio data to identify problems so you could try sending just the cwp file first. Cakewalk does not share user data with anyone so copyright should not be an issue here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Carr Posted April 11, 2023 Share Posted April 11, 2023 @pulsewalk You have the lead developer responding to your request with an invitation to provide a personalised investigation of your issue. Can you imagine any other DAW providing such a service (and for free as well)? ? As Noel stated you don't need to include any audio files in the first instance, so hopefully no copyright issues, so would be great if you can send your project to the bakers - you'll benefit, and other users may benefit if the bakers uncover a bug that can be fixed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian myers Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 @pulsewalk The problems you are experiencing were similar to the ones I experienced on my project. I'm inclined to agree that it is probably project related. In my case my project has only forty two tracks. I too have gone down similar roots as yourself to try to resolve the problem. I will send a .cwp file of my project to the developers to see if we can get to the bottom of this. FWIW the project I'm working on is four years old, pre-pandemic, and was put on hold because of the pandemic. I have since transferred all of the project over to Reaper and I am finishing the project there. I opened a couple of other projects from the same era in CbB and they opened and played back fine but in both of these I had not frozen/unfroze any of the tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud Brown Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 so what is a better software? I am ready to dump cakewalk and the issues. Up until recently I was running a Win7pro64 and was advised that I couldn't update to the 'latest goodies'... I have win 10 and 11 on other computers and see the problematic confusion... much like ME or win8 among other microsoft fails... but I upgraded to a win11pro64 and a Ryzen 7 and it's nice so I could upgrade. Up until this 'supposed grade' I had been creating complex compositions using cakewalk (after the SONAR I purchased was taken over by cakewalk) ... lots of nice features and no problems... but after the 'upgrade' things like "groove clip looping" no longer work... all that happens is a joke no matter what complex workarounds some have suggested... before it was a simple create and convert and use.... now nothing so now I am at duplicating a clip I create then bouncing to get a longer clip... mostly absurd. And now anything a little complicated for example with 9 tracks only and surround sound... when exporting to WAV... a simple process cakewalk shuts down 80% of the time... then when it does 'export' it creates files that are blank... then the audio freaks out on cakewalk requiring a restart. I know some of you like it... AND I DID... but I'm not going back to WIN7 because I have too much invested in this new setup... but how frustrating to work with something this substandard... with the same name. . . ouch. embarrassing for whoever is coding and managing. so I could use some suggestions to move beyond this mess... Reaper perhaps... or something else... Input on A CHANGE is appreciated... as there is zero help from cakewalk as an entity... thanks... this "upgrade" I just went through is a complete waste of time and is causing me to hate trying to create music.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gustabo Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 Everything works great here on Win 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.r Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 @Bud Brown it's impossible to advice you what DAW exactly will work for you best, you need to invest a bit time, download some Trials and see what suits you best with time what DAWs are there everyone knows, if you're not sure, there are many rankings online made with different points of view so you can start with checking them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutrageProductions Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Bud Brown said: this "upgrade" I just went through is a complete waste of time and is causing me to hate trying to create music.... It's been working perfectly for 4 full days for me on Win10Pro/Intel. No bugs that I haven't already developed workarounds for or expect to be resolved in Sonar. Maybe you need a new, different, and less taxing hobby. One that allows a cheese & biscuits platter to go along... Edited September 23, 2023 by OutrageProductions 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Bud Brown said: so what is a better software? I am ready to dump cakewalk and the issues. Up until recently I was running a Win7pro64 and was advised that I couldn't update to the 'latest goodies'... I have win 10 and 11 on other computers and see the problematic confusion... much like ME or win8 among other microsoft fails... but I upgraded to a win11pro64 and a Ryzen 7 and it's nice so I could upgrade. Up until this 'supposed grade' I had been creating complex compositions using cakewalk (after the SONAR I purchased was taken over by cakewalk) ... lots of nice features and no problems... but after the 'upgrade' things like "groove clip looping" no longer work... all that happens is a joke no matter what complex workarounds some have suggested... before it was a simple create and convert and use.... now nothing so now I am at duplicating a clip I create then bouncing to get a longer clip... mostly absurd. And now anything a little complicated for example with 9 tracks only and surround sound... when exporting to WAV... a simple process cakewalk shuts down 80% of the time... then when it does 'export' it creates files that are blank... then the audio freaks out on cakewalk requiring a restart. I know some of you like it... AND I DID... but I'm not going back to WIN7 because I have too much invested in this new setup... but how frustrating to work with something this substandard... with the same name. . . ouch. embarrassing for whoever is coding and managing. so I could use some suggestions to move beyond this mess... Reaper perhaps... or something else... Input on A CHANGE is appreciated... as there is zero help from cakewalk as an entity... thanks... this "upgrade" I just went through is a complete waste of time and is causing me to hate trying to create music.... How much resource hogging bloatware do you have running in the background on this new machine? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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